On 16/07/13 08:18, charles wrote:
In article , harryagain
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.
Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will
On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.
Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.
Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.
so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you have no
power?

as well as cold winter days with no wind.


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On 16/07/13 09:24, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
"harryagain" wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"harryagain" wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"harryagain" wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.

Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like
that will

On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well.
I shall have a bumper month.

Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.

Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over.
It's called diversity.

Oh sure. You may have noticed the lack of power produced by wind while
we have this high pressure over us producing the hot weather. Try that
in winter, with freezing fog at the same time. Result: no wind or
solar power over most of Northern Europe - for an extended period,
just like now.

It's unreliable, y'see.

harryis a secret agent in the pay of fossil fuel companies, working to
make renewable energy look as silly as it really is, by trotting out
nonsense that any fule kno is nonsense.
Lets face it, if being green means being like harry, whowouldn't want to
be a climate denier instead?






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On 16/07/2013 08:18, charles wrote:
In article , harryagain
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.

Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will

On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.

Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.

Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.

so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you have no
power?


He uses coal, gas and nuclear.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 16/07/13 08:18, charles wrote:
In article , harryagain
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.
Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will
On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.
Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.
Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.
so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you have
no
power?

as well as cold winter days with no wind.

I shalldofine on cold Winter days.

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , harryagain
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.

Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will

On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.

Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.

Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.

so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you have
no
power?


Wind turbines and PV are only part of the solution.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 16/07/13 09:24, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
"harryagain" wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"harryagain" wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"harryagain" wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.

Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like
that will

On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well.
I shall have a bumper month.

Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.

Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over.
It's called diversity.

Oh sure. You may have noticed the lack of power produced by wind while we
have this high pressure over us producing the hot weather. Try that in
winter, with freezing fog at the same time. Result: no wind or solar
power over most of Northern Europe - for an extended period, just like
now.

It's unreliable, y'see.

harryis a secret agent in the pay of fossil fuel companies, working to
make renewable energy look as silly as it really is, by trotting out
nonsense that any fule kno is nonsense.
Lets face it, if being green means being like harry, whowouldn't want to
be a climate denier instead?


So you think the climate isn't changing?

On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
....
harryis a secret agent in the pay of fossil fuel companies, working to
make renewable energy look as silly as it really is, by trotting out
nonsense that any fule kno is nonsense.
Lets face it, if being green means being like harry, whowouldn't want to
be a climate denier instead?

So you think the climate isn't changing?

The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. The
case for anthropomorphic change is not supported by any scientific
proof. Even the IPCC is forced to admit it is simply the opinion of the
experts they consulted and, despite their best efforts to fudge the
results by not publishing actual figures, it seems likely that it was
often a bare majority decision.

Colin Bignell

On 17/07/2013 08:26, Huge wrote:
On 2013-07-17, Nightjar wrote:

case for anthropomorphic change

I don't think the climate is changing to be the shape of a human being.

Perhaps you mean "anthropogenic"? (Which is hardly better, since it means
"causing human beings", but it seems to be the accepted term now.)

I love auto correcting spell checkers, don't you?

Colin Bignell

On 17/07/2013 09:30, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:

On 17/07/2013 08:26, Huge wrote:
On 2013-07-17, Nightjar wrote:

case for anthropomorphic change

I don't think the climate is changing to be the shape of a human being.

Perhaps you mean "anthropogenic"? (Which is hardly better, since it
means
"causing human beings", but it seems to be the accepted term now.)

I love auto correcting spell checkers, don't you?

Well you don't *have* to use one.


You haven't seen what I type without it.

Colin Bignell

On 17/07/13 07:44, harryagain wrote:
Wind turbines and PV are only part of the solution.

Wind turbines and PV are not even part of the solution.

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On 17/07/13 07:46, harryagain wrote:
So you think the climate isn't changing?
To be honest, the last two years are exactly like two years I remember
as a boy in the 1950s.

So I would probably say, 'depends on what timescale'

It certainly isn't as hot, or as cold as it has been in the past.

But its got warmer, and colder, and warmer and colder, twice in my
lifetime over decades.

Certainly the days of growing tender plants - and expecting them to make
it over the winter, have gone.

I stuffed in an escallonia in 2001, it lasted till 2011. Its dead now.

I think we have had 15 years of exceptionally warm winters and that's
finished.

So whether that's the climate changing, or simply varying about a mean,
is down to argument.

--
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On 17/07/13 08:26, Huge wrote:
On 2013-07-17, Nightjar wrote:

case for anthropomorphic change
I don't think the climate is changing to be the shape of a human being.

Perhaps you mean "anthropogenic"? (Which is hardly better, since it means
"causing human beings", but it seems to be the accepted term now.)


anthropogenic=causedBY human beings.
anthropomorphic = made to, or viewed as, looking like a human being.

I.e. designing a car front to look like a human face.


--
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On 17/07/13 09:31, Tim Streater wrote:

Wind turbines and PV are only part of the solution.

And the other parts are?

fairy dust, porcine aviation, pie in the sky, and bull****.


--
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On 17/07/2013 07:43, harryagain wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 16/07/13 08:18, charles wrote:
In article , harryagain
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.
Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will
On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.
Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.
Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.
so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you have
no
power?

as well as cold winter days with no wind.

I shalldofine on cold Winter days.

Producing all the spare power just when its not needed, and none at all
when it is...

--
Cheers,

John.

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That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.
Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will
On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.
Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.
Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.
so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you
have
no
power?

as well as cold winter days with no wind.

I shalldofine on cold Winter days.

Producing all the spare power just when its not needed, and none at all
when it is...

Producing power for commerce and industry through the day.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"harryagain" wrote:

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , harryagain

wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.

Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will

On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.

Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.

Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.

so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you
have no power?

Wind turbines and PV are only part of the solution.

And the other parts are?

Tidal, geothermal and gas.

"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
...
harryis a secret agent in the pay of fossil fuel companies, working to
make renewable energy look as silly as it really is, by trotting out
nonsense that any fule kno is nonsense.
Lets face it, if being green means being like harry, whowouldn't want to
be a climate denier instead?

So you think the climate isn't changing?

The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. The case
for anthropomorphic change is not supported by any scientific proof. Even
the IPCC is forced to admit it is simply the opinion of the experts they
consulted and, despite their best efforts to fudge the results by not
publishing actual figures, it seems likely that it was often a bare
majority decision.

Colin Bignell


And what if it is?
There is no going back.

On 17/07/13 16:08, John Rumm wrote:
On 17/07/2013 07:43, harryagain wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 16/07/13 08:18, charles wrote:
In article , harryagain

wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.
Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will
On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.
Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.
Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.
so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you
have
no
power?

as well as cold winter days with no wind.

I shalldofine on cold Winter days.

Producing all the spare power just when its not needed, and none at
all when it is...

thats all part of being a profiteering antisocial ****

--
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On 17/07/13 16:49, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
...
harryis a secret agent in the pay of fossil fuel companies, working to
make renewable energy look as silly as it really is, by trotting out
nonsense that any fule kno is nonsense.
Lets face it, if being green means being like harry, whowouldn't want to
be a climate denier instead?
So you think the climate isn't changing?
The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. The case
for anthropomorphic change is not supported by any scientific proof. Even
the IPCC is forced to admit it is simply the opinion of the experts they
consulted and, despite their best efforts to fudge the results by not
publishing actual figures, it seems likely that it was often a bare
majority decision.

Colin Bignell

And what if it is?
There is no going back.

As the lemming said, looking over the cliff.

Smarter lemmings who did go back, are alive today.





--
Ineptocracy

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On 17/07/2013 16:49, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:
....
So you think the climate isn't changing?

The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. ...


And what if it is?
There is no going back.

The answer is to accept that change is going to happen and spend money
on preparing for the consequences, not ****ing it into the wind (or the
sun) in the desperate hope that that might do something to stop it,
despite no evidence that it will.

Colin Bignell

On 17/07/13 17:48, Nightjar wrote:
On 17/07/2013 16:49, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:
...
So you think the climate isn't changing?

The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. ...


And what if it is?
There is no going back.

The answer is to accept that change is going to happen and spend money
on preparing for the consequences, not ****ing it into the wind (or
the sun) in the desperate hope that that might do something to stop
it, despite no evidence that it will.

And overwhelming evidence that it won't.

Colin Bignell


--
Ineptocracy

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On 17/07/2013 16:45, harryagain wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.
Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will
On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.
Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.
Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.
so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you
have
no
power?

as well as cold winter days with no wind.

I shalldofine on cold Winter days.

Producing all the spare power just when its not needed, and none at all
when it is...

Producing power for commerce and industry through the day.

That's what I said - just when its not needed - Base load generation
covers that just fine - its the cold dark early evenings where we hit
peak demand.


--
Cheers,

John.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/07/2013 16:45, harryagain wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.
Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will
On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.
Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.
Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over.
It's
called diversity.
so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you
have
no
power?

as well as cold winter days with no wind.

I shalldofine on cold Winter days.

Producing all the spare power just when its not needed, and none at all
when it is...

Producing power for commerce and industry through the day.

That's what I said - just when its not needed - Base load generation
covers that just fine - its the cold dark early evenings where we hit peak
demand.


Well you ARE pretty dim.
Here is a graph of daily load
http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Elect...d/demand24.htm
It corresponds almost exactly to PV panels output.

You think the peak load depends comlpetely on people switching their TVon to
watch coronation street?
You're listening too much to TurNiP's drivel.

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2013-07-17, Nightjar wrote:

case for anthropomorphic change

I don't think the climate is changing to be the shape of a human being.

Perhaps you mean "anthropogenic"? (Which is hardly better, since it means
"causing human beings", but it seems to be the accepted term now.)

We know what he means, don't take the ****.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/13 16:49, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
...
harryis a secret agent in the pay of fossil fuel companies, working to
make renewable energy look as silly as it really is, by trotting out
nonsense that any fule kno is nonsense.
Lets face it, if being green means being like harry, whowouldn't want
to
be a climate denier instead?
So you think the climate isn't changing?
The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. The
case
for anthropomorphic change is not supported by any scientific proof.
Even
the IPCC is forced to admit it is simply the opinion of the experts they
consulted and, despite their best efforts to fudge the results by not
publishing actual figures, it seems likely that it was often a bare
majority decision.

Colin Bignell

And what if it is?
There is no going back.

As the lemming said, looking over the cliff.

Smarter lemmings who did go back, are alive today.

And you are one that wants to carry right on?





--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members
of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded
with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 16:49, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:
...
So you think the climate isn't changing?

The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. ...


And what if it is?
There is no going back.

The answer is to accept that change is going to happen and spend money on
preparing for the consequences, not ****ing it into the wind (or the sun)
in the desperate hope that that might do something to stop it, despite no
evidence that it will.



There is every reason to belive in man-made global climate change.
It's neccessary to prepare AND prevent as far as possible.

On 18/07/2013 07:32, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 16:49, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:
...
So you think the climate isn't changing?

The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. ...


And what if it is?
There is no going back.

The answer is to accept that change is going to happen and spend money on
preparing for the consequences, not ****ing it into the wind (or the sun)
in the desperate hope that that might do something to stop it, despite no
evidence that it will.



There is every reason to belive in man-made global climate change.

Please point to any rigorous scientific study that conclusively
demonstrates that human activity makes any significant contribution to
climate change. You might like to send it to the IPCC as well, because
they can't come up with one.

It's neccessary to prepare AND prevent as far as possible.

There is not enough money for both. We know that what we do to prepare
for change will be effective. As we don't know the causes of climate
change, we cannot know that anything we do to try to prevent it will
have any effect at all.

Colin Bignell

On 18/07/2013 07:27, harryagain wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 17/07/2013 16:45, harryagain wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.
Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will
On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.
Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.
Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over.
It's
called diversity.
so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you
have
no
power?

as well as cold winter days with no wind.

I shalldofine on cold Winter days.

Producing all the spare power just when its not needed, and none at all
when it is...

Producing power for commerce and industry through the day.

That's what I said - just when its not needed - Base load generation
covers that just fine - its the cold dark early evenings where we hit peak
demand.


Well you ARE pretty dim.
Here is a graph of daily load
http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Elect...d/demand24.htm
It corresponds almost exactly to PV panels output.

Not exactly a winters evening is it dopey...


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John.

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:03:02 +0100, "harryagain" wrote:


Re tar sands there's another whole issue.
http://www.rapingmothernature.com/20...-sands-images/


Harry you really need to stop posting links like that as I get a stiffy at the
thought of all that oil that being used to power civilisation rather than us
reverting to living in caves

--

On 18/07/2013 07:32, harryagain wrote:


There is every reason to belive in man-made global climate change.
It's neccessary to prepare AND prevent as far as possible.



Well given that nothing we can do will prevent climate change what do
you propose?

In message , harryagain
writes

"charles" wrote in message
. ..
In article , harryagain
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , "harryagain"
wrote:

That's the reason we are building wind turbines/PV arrays.

Wind has been doing bugger-all for the last week. Looks like that
will

On the other hand PV is doing exceptionally well. I shall have a
bumper month.

Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.

Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's
called diversity.

so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you have
no
power?


Wind turbines and PV are only part of the solution.


Wind turbines and PV are only part of the problem
--
bert

In message , harryagain
writes

"Nightjar" wrote in message
m...
On 17/07/2013 16:49, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
...
On 17/07/2013 07:46, harryagain wrote:
...
So you think the climate isn't changing?

The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. ...


And what if it is?
There is no going back.

The answer is to accept that change is going to happen and spend money on
preparing for the consequences, not ****ing it into the wind (or the sun)
in the desperate hope that that might do something to stop it, despite no
evidence that it will.



There is every reason to belive in man-made global climate change.
It's neccessary to prepare AND prevent as far as possible.


Believing is not the same as knowing.
--
bert

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:03:33 +0100, harryagain wrote:

Why do you suppose this is happeneing?

High oil prices. Because oil is traded as a comodity and the
financial markets dictate the price rather than a real market.

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Cheers
Dave.