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Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same
stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa |
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:04:52 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
wrote: Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa Just a thought, if they were measuring average speed, two cameras would be required, but it wouldn't be two offenses. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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"Graham." wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:04:52 +0100, "Arfa Daily" wrote: Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa Just a thought, if they were measuring average speed, two cameras would be required, but it wouldn't be two offenses. Average speed cameras don't flash. Tim |
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"Tim+" wrote in message ... "Graham." wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:04:52 +0100, "Arfa Daily" wrote: Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa Just a thought, if they were measuring average speed, two cameras would be required, but it wouldn't be two offenses. Average speed cameras don't flash. Tim Yes, correct. She was talking spot ones Arfa |
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"Arfa Daily" wrote: Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? No, I don't know for sure, but I think they *are* separate offences! Just a thought, if they were measuring average speed, two cameras would be required, but it wouldn't be two offenses. If they're gantry ones, they're not average speed, instant with two flashes and a 'ruler' on the carriageway. |
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writes On Thu, 9 May 2013 12:04:52 +0100, "Arfa Daily" wrote: Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa Just a thought, if they were measuring average speed, two cameras would be required, but it wouldn't be two offenses. He's not talking about SPECS, that stretch now has variable speed controls on it -- geoff |
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message news Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? If the cameras were a significant distance apart I would think it would have to count as three offences but I believe that the courts do have some discretion. Your daughter would almost certainly have to go to court to stand a chance of getting a reduced penalty. You may find more info here. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28 Tim |
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On 09/05/2013 12:27, Tim+ wrote:
"Arfa Daily" wrote in message news Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? If the cameras were a significant distance apart I would think it would have to count as three offences but I believe that the courts do have some discretion. Your daughter would almost certainly have to go to court to stand a chance of getting a reduced penalty. You may find more info here. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28 Paragraph 4 would appear to apply here, in which case, unless the Court decides to exercise its power to ignore that, no more than three penalty points should be applied. Colin Bignell |
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On 09/05/2013 13:00, Nightjar wrote:
On 09/05/2013 12:27, Tim+ wrote: "Arfa Daily" wrote in message news Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? It could certainly pick up a fine for each transgression. If the cameras were a significant distance apart I would think it would have to count as three offences but I believe that the courts do have some discretion. Your daughter would almost certainly have to go to court to stand a chance of getting a reduced penalty. You may find more info here. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28 Paragraph 4 would appear to apply here, in which case, unless the Court decides to exercise its power to ignore that, no more than three penalty points should be applied. Colin Bignell However, Paragraph 5 appears to say that the court can ignore Paragraph 4 if it feels like it or the wind is blowing in the right direction. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 09/05/2013 13:16, Martin Brown wrote:
On 09/05/2013 13:00, Nightjar wrote: On 09/05/2013 12:27, Tim+ wrote: "Arfa Daily" wrote in message news Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? It could certainly pick up a fine for each transgression. If the cameras were a significant distance apart I would think it would have to count as three offences but I believe that the courts do have some discretion. Your daughter would almost certainly have to go to court to stand a chance of getting a reduced penalty. You may find more info here. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28 Paragraph 4 would appear to apply here, in which case, unless the Court decides to exercise its power to ignore that, no more than three penalty points should be applied. Colin Bignell However, Paragraph 5 appears to say that the court can ignore Paragraph 4 if it feels like it or the wind is blowing in the right direction. Under Paragraph 6, any such decision must be justified in open court, which would leave it open to later challenge if it did not fall within the sentencing guidelines. For a Magistrate's Court, the guidelines for exceeding a 70mph limit are 70-90mph 3 points, plus a Band A fine. 91-100mph 4-6 points OR 7-28 days' disqualification and, in either case, a Band B fine. 101-110mph 7-56 days' disqualification OR 6 points and, in either case, a Band B fine. Pleading guilty may get a reduction in sentence. Other factors, such as bad weather or heavy traffic may result in a higher sentence. Band A fines are 25%-75% of relevant weekly income, which is based upon a declaration by the offender, with a minimum RWI of £100. Band B fines are 75%-125% of RWI. Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar writes: On 09/05/2013 12:27, Tim+ wrote: "Arfa Daily" wrote in message news Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? If the cameras were a significant distance apart I would think it would have to count as three offences but I believe that the courts do have some discretion. Your daughter would almost certainly have to go to court to stand a chance of getting a reduced penalty. You may find more info here. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28 Paragraph 4 would appear to apply here, in which case, unless the Court decides to exercise its power to ignore that, no more than three penalty points should be applied. I suspect "same occasion" would mean something like going through a red light whilst speeding. I really doubt it would mean tripping 3 different speed cameras in the same day, which might well be prosecuted separately by different police authorities anyway. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On 09/05/2013 21:31, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Nightjar writes: On 09/05/2013 12:27, Tim+ wrote: "Arfa Daily" wrote in message news Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? If the cameras were a significant distance apart I would think it would have to count as three offences but I believe that the courts do have some discretion. Your daughter would almost certainly have to go to court to stand a chance of getting a reduced penalty. You may find more info here. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28 Paragraph 4 would appear to apply here, in which case, unless the Court decides to exercise its power to ignore that, no more than three penalty points should be applied. I suspect "same occasion" would mean something like going through a red light whilst speeding. I really doubt it would mean tripping 3 different speed cameras in the same day, which might well be prosecuted separately by different police authorities anyway. I think it would depend upon how the Court interprets the phrase, given AIUI, that it was three consecutive cameras on the same stretch of road. Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar :
On 09/05/2013 21:31, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Nightjar writes: On 09/05/2013 12:27, Tim+ wrote: "Arfa Daily" wrote in message news Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? If the cameras were a significant distance apart I would think it would have to count as three offences but I believe that the courts do have some discretion. Your daughter would almost certainly have to go to court to stand a chance of getting a reduced penalty. You may find more info here. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28 Paragraph 4 would appear to apply here, in which case, unless the Court decides to exercise its power to ignore that, no more than three penalty points should be applied. I suspect "same occasion" would mean something like going through a red light whilst speeding. I really doubt it would mean tripping 3 different speed cameras in the same day, which might well be prosecuted separately by different police authorities anyway. I think it would depend upon how the Court interprets the phrase, given AIUI, that it was three consecutive cameras on the same stretch of road. If the defendant could plausibly claim that she didn't slow down to below the limit between detections, it seems to me to be one offence, regardless of the paragraph in question, and regardless of how far apart those detections were. Unless the offence is bounded by travelling below the limit before and after, it would be possible to charge anyone with a very large number of offences based on one detection and the incontrovertible *deduction* of speeding for (say) every one of the next million microseconds. -- Mike Barnes |
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wrote: In article , Nightjar writes: On 09/05/2013 12:27, Tim+ wrote: "Arfa Daily" wrote in message news Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? If the cameras were a significant distance apart I would think it would have to count as three offences but I believe that the courts do have some discretion. Your daughter would almost certainly have to go to court to stand a chance of getting a reduced penalty. You may find more info here. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/28 Paragraph 4 would appear to apply here, in which case, unless the Court decides to exercise its power to ignore that, no more than three penalty points should be applied. I suspect "same occasion" would mean something like going through a red light whilst speeding. I really doubt it would mean tripping 3 different speed cameras in the same day, which might well be prosecuted separately by different police authorities anyway. some years ago, our local paper reported a court case where someone was charged with 3 separate motoring offences which resulted in his disqualification: 1. Not showing obligatory red rear lights; 2. not showing obligatory white front light 3. not illuminating the rear number plate. The idiot had a single blown fuse and managed to upset the traffic patrol. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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Arfa Daily formulated on Thursday :
Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa I have to ask, in a light-hearted way of course, is your daughter blonde by any chance? To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o |
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On Thu, 09 May 2013 12:38:35 +0100, Pete wrote:
To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o +1 In my book it would be three separate offences each carrying the default fine and points. If the points total ends up meaning a ban well that's just tough... That's my book though, the one the magistrates appear to use seems a bit lenient IMHO. Still she will have to take it to court to get the magistrates opinion, who may well decide to follow my book. B-) -- Cheers Dave. |
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scribeth thus Arfa Daily formulated on Thursday : Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa I have to ask, in a light-hearted way of course, is your daughter blonde by any chance? To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o Well that does beg a question of where are three speed cameras on the same stretch of motorway surely they aren't that close together?. Sure they were speed cams and not something else?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer wrote:
In article , Pete scribeth thus Arfa Daily formulated on Thursday : Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa I have to ask, in a light-hearted way of course, is your daughter blonde by any chance? To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o Well that does beg a question of where are three speed cameras on the same stretch of motorway surely they aren't that close together?. Sure they were speed cams and not something else?.. Even when I had a speed camera detector I never came across 3 gantry cameras within a couple of miles of each other. Of couse if you can repeat the journey in the other direction and you can remember where you were flashed than you can actually have a look up at the gantry to see if there is a camera on there. -- Adam |
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On 09/05/2013 19:17, ARW wrote:
Even when I had a speed camera detector I never came across 3 gantry cameras within a couple of miles of each other. Of couse if you can repeat the journey in the other direction and you can remember where you were flashed than you can actually have a look up at the gantry to see if there is a camera on there. Never sure whether all gantries on the M25 have cameras? If so, I am sure there are some places where three are within a couple of miles. -- Rod |
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On 09/05/2013 19:48, polygonum wrote:
On 09/05/2013 19:17, ARW wrote: Even when I had a speed camera detector I never came across 3 gantry cameras within a couple of miles of each other. Of couse if you can repeat the journey in the other direction and you can remember where you were flashed than you can actually have a look up at the gantry to see if there is a camera on there. Never sure whether all gantries on the M25 have cameras? If so, I am sure there are some places where three are within a couple of miles. There are lots of cameras on managed motorways, probably on every gantry where the speed can change. |
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On Thursday 09 May 2013 19:17 ARW wrote in uk.d-i-y:
tony sayer wrote: In article , Pete scribeth thus Arfa Daily formulated on Thursday : Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa I have to ask, in a light-hearted way of course, is your daughter blonde by any chance? To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o Well that does beg a question of where are three speed cameras on the same stretch of motorway surely they aren't that close together?. Sure they were speed cams and not something else?.. Even when I had a speed camera detector I never came across 3 gantry cameras within a couple of miles of each other. Of couse if you can repeat the journey in the other direction and you can remember where you were flashed than you can actually have a look up at the gantry to see if there is a camera on there. I've had a good look in my mirrors on the bit of the M25 that's variable - seem to recall the cameras are only on every 2nd or 3rd gantry typically - certainly not on every one. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage Reading this on the web? See: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Usenet |
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Even when I had a speed camera detector I never came across 3 gantry cameras within a couple of miles of each other. I don't know about the Luton stretch, but in the Nottingham stretch about 1 gantry in 3 has cameras on it. |
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ARW wrote: Even when I had a speed camera detector I never came across 3 gantry cameras within a couple of miles of each other. I don't know about the Luton stretch, but in the Nottingham stretch about 1 gantry in 3 has cameras on it. Is that - "it has cameras" or "it can have cameras"? - there is a difference -- Adam |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... tony sayer wrote: In article , Pete scribeth thus Arfa Daily formulated on Thursday : Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa I have to ask, in a light-hearted way of course, is your daughter blonde by any chance? To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o Well that does beg a question of where are three speed cameras on the same stretch of motorway surely they aren't that close together?. Sure they were speed cams and not something else?.. Even when I had a speed camera detector I never came across 3 gantry cameras within a couple of miles of each other. Of couse if you can repeat the journey in the other direction and you can remember where you were flashed than you can actually have a look up at the gantry to see if there is a camera on there. -- Adam They're pretty close together on the variable speed sections of the M25, as I recall ... ? Arfa |
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In message , Arfa Daily
writes "ARW" wrote in message ... tony sayer wrote: In article , Pete scribeth thus Arfa Daily formulated on Thursday : Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa I have to ask, in a light-hearted way of course, is your daughter blonde by any chance? To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o Well that does beg a question of where are three speed cameras on the same stretch of motorway surely they aren't that close together?. Sure they were speed cams and not something else?.. Even when I had a speed camera detector I never came across 3 gantry cameras within a couple of miles of each other. Of couse if you can repeat the journey in the other direction and you can remember where you were flashed than you can actually have a look up at the gantry to see if there is a camera on there. -- Adam They're pretty close together on the variable speed sections of the M25, as I recall ... ? SPECS cameras work in pairs on one lane IIRC - they shouldn't detect you if you move from one lane to another BICBW ! Of course, that doesn't mean to say that they don't interleave pairs of cameras Those on the northern section of the M25 ATM seem to be pretty tolerant -- geoff |
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:00:44 +0100, tony sayer wrote:
Well that does beg a question of where are three speed cameras on the same stretch of motorway surely they aren't that close together?. I thought in the variable speed limit sections every gantry with the signs on had speed cameras on as well. If daughter is dozey enough to trigger three cameras she's likely to be dozey enough not to notice the variable speed limit in force... -- Cheers Dave. |
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writes In article , Pete scribeth thus Arfa Daily formulated on Thursday : Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa I have to ask, in a light-hearted way of course, is your daughter blonde by any chance? To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o Well that does beg a question of where are three speed cameras on the same stretch of motorway surely they aren't that close together?. Every third gantry in places Sure they were speed cams and not something else?.. Hydroponic growing lamps perhaps, yes, that's it -- geoff |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... Arfa Daily formulated on Thursday : Does anyone know for sure whether getting flashed three times on the same stretch of motorway within minutes, constitutes three offences for 180 quid fine and 9 points ? Daughter reckons that she might have got had more than once this morning in her company car on a section of the M1 at the south end, where the back-facing gantry cameras have not been on for a couple of years. She reckons that she was not much over the top - for a change - but probably enough to have tripped them. I've not been able to find much info on multiple instances on the same stretch. Lots of barrack room lawyers huffing and puffing and giving opinions based on nothing, but no definitive answer. Anyone on here suffered this and knows for sure, or who has a link to somewhere on t' interweb that details exactly what the situation is ? Arfa I have to ask, in a light-hearted way of course, is your daughter blonde by any chance? Only occasionally when her hairdresser mate gives her a power cut and bleaches it white. Rather suits her, actually. :-) To notice the first flash would make me think '****, the fekkin' cameras are working and I've just been caught - suppose I'd better slow down for the next camera'. To go on and be flashed a further TWO times is just beyond belief 8-o Well, I did precis the story a little. Bit of background. She's 26 and actually very intelligent (and no, I'm not just saying that ...) She's an area manager for a national company, and covers the whole of the south of England. She is going to branches, hiring, firing, troubleshooting, pretty much every day, so I guess that you could say that she is a 'professional' driver. He company car is a nice little Merc A Class, and is just built for this sort of work. I would say overall that she is a very safe driver - at least she has never worried me at all when I've been out with her. She is not a 'mad' or stupid driver, and is very much aware of what's around her, and how road conditions and weather should influence her driving. That said, she is quick, and will be up there in the outside lane with the best of them, when conditions permit. She covers a lot of miles, and having spent a couple of years myself driving all over the country virtually every day a few years back, I know where she is coming from. Doing 80 MPH and 'risking it' is par for the course if you want to ever get the day done with. So, today, she was on a southbound section of the M1 down Luton way. It's a section that she travels most every day, and she says that the spot cameras have not been on for a couple of years. However, today, some distance into the area where they are, she noticed a couple flash on the other side of the road. Of course, you can't see them getting you on your side, because they are rear facing. Based on the fact that the ones on the other side of the road now seemed to be working, she reasoned that the ones her side now probably were as well. She knew that she had been going over the limit - although she says not by a lot, and just running with other drivers - and she realised that she must have been through at least three of them before seeing the flashes from the ones across the road, so although she didn't actually *know* that she had been flashed at all, she reasoned that if she had, it may have happened three times ... So, that's the full story :-) Arfa |
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Of course, you can't see them getting you on your side, because they are rear facing. Is that actually true? Wouldn't it show in mirrors? |
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On 10/05/2013 01:40, Arfa Daily wrote: Of course, you can't see them getting you on your side, because they are rear facing. Is that actually true? Wouldn't it show in mirrors? I've noticed flashes in my mirrors on two occasions over the years, both (I'm happy to say) caused by vehicles overtaking me. Both in daylight. -- Mike Barnes |
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On 10/05/2013 07:44, Mike Barnes wrote:
I've noticed flashes in my mirrors on two occasions over the years, both (I'm happy to say) caused by vehicles overtaking me. Both in daylight. I was once driving through an urban section of a dual carriageway. We'd left a roundabout, and I was travelling ... close to the speed limit shall we say ... but not fast enough for the guy behind, who was 3ft behind my bumper. As soon as I'd passed the traffic in the left lane I went left. The guy behind me put his foot down, and shot past me. I've never been so happy to see a camera flash. Good word, schadenfreude! Andy |
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On 10/05/2013 02:35, Clive George wrote:
On 10/05/2013 01:40, Arfa Daily wrote: Of course, you can't see them getting you on your side, because they are rear facing. Is that actually true? Wouldn't it show in mirrors? It depends on whether they want you to see them. Safety cameras are big yellow things you can see a mile away. Police speed cameras are tiny things they can hide in things like traffic lights if they want to. |
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In message m,
"dennis@home" writes On 10/05/2013 02:35, Clive George wrote: On 10/05/2013 01:40, Arfa Daily wrote: Of course, you can't see them getting you on your side, because they are rear facing. Is that actually true? Wouldn't it show in mirrors? It depends on whether they want you to see them. Safety cameras are big yellow things you can see a mile away. Police speed cameras are tiny things they can hide in things like traffic lights if they want to. Dense - I think you're the only one who doesn't know the cameras we are talking about You can't hide speed cameras in traffic lights, for them to be enforceable, there has to be a grid of markers on the road -- geoff |
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 01:40:57 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:
Of course, you can't see them getting you on your side, because they are rear facing. If only car manufacturers thought to fit nice shiny things to each door. They might help a driver see what's behind them. |
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that the ones on the other side of the road now seemed to
be working, she reasoned that the ones her side now probably were as well. She knew that she had been going over the limit - although she says not by a lot, and just running with other drivers - and she realised that she must have been through at least three of them before seeing the flashes from the ones across the road, so although she didn't actually *know* that she had been flashed at all, she reasoned that if she had, it may have happened three times ... So, that's the full story :-) Arfa I wonder how the magistrates will "see" that;!?... Yes we've all perhaps been there and dun that pushed the 70 to 80 but I somehow think that lady was going a tad more. Most all speedo's under read by 5 % or thereabouts*. I had a precision GPS timing unit in my car a while ago and on a long straight unhindered stretch found that when the speed was indicating 70 it was in fact doing just 64.5. So by this thinking then if it were indicating 75 then I would be at and actual 70 so allowing a margin for error I could get away with an indicated 82 much more than that then I bet the cameras would have taken a dim view of the rear of her car;!.. (* course that will depend to an amount on the tyre wear state).. I suggest seeing that shes very dependant on her car to speak to a decent solicitor if she is charged with the offence. At best a fine of a few hundred will give her a slap on the wrist but I bet a ban will see her seriously sodded up with the job. I once had my licence suspended for medical reasons for six months and it was a real PITA getting around and that was very local, it was just as well SWMBO had a variable hours part time job.. Yes I do take on board that sometimes there aren't enough hours in the day but these days is it really worth it pushing it to the limit?. Seeing the standard of driving there are a LOT of people who should not be there like a Doddery old Wally straddling Two lanes of the M11 last week at all of 40 MPH. No amount of headlight flashing would change his mind to either speed up or pull over. Don't get me started on the standard of lorry driving on the A14 either!.. OK there are some good drivers but with them are a lot of Baaad ones and the law has to apply across the board and that I reckon is the way the bench will see that. If she were my girl I think a fatherly lecture would be in order after all one other contributor to this ng has a daughter who is an ambulance paramedic and another is a traffic policeman and she'll tell you just how they Lurve NOT that job of telling the nearest and dearest that their lives are about to altered for good...... -- Tony Sayer |
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On Fri, 10 May 2013 09:32:17 +0100, tony sayer wrote:
At best a fine of a few hundred will give her a slap on the wrist but I bet a ban will see her seriously sodded up with the job. Tough ****. Trying to get a ban waived "because of their job" is no excuse, should have thought of the consequences of speeding ... If getting from A to B is required you can hire driver. Indeed for those in "high power" jobs surely a company supplied driver would be better for the company. Able to work while traveling, no stress from the driving, arrive fresher etc. -- Cheers Dave. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Fri, 10 May 2013 09:32:17 +0100, tony sayer wrote: At best a fine of a few hundred will give her a slap on the wrist but I bet a ban will see her seriously sodded up with the job. Tough ****. Trying to get a ban waived "because of their job" is no excuse, should have thought of the consequences of speeding ... If getting from A to B is required you can hire driver. Indeed for those in "high power" jobs surely a company supplied driver would be better for the company. Able to work while traveling, no stress from the driving, arrive fresher etc. -- Cheers Dave. Yes, a luvverly thought, but how many companies would actually be able to afford that ? And it's all very well saying "tough ****" about losing a job. Have you ever worked in a tough competitive job where you are having to weigh up the (fairly) small chance of getting nicked against not getting the job done and incurring the bad feeling of your boss ? I would guess not, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that. Yes, in a perfect world, she shouldn't speed, nor should she have to, but unfortunately, the world that we live in is not the black and white one that you would desire, and sometimes, you just gotta do what you just gotta do, and possibly suffer the consequences ... Arfa |
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scribeth thus On 2013-05-10, tony sayer wrote: Most all speedo's under read Err, no. They *over read*, as you yourself then state; Indeed posting a bit early today;!.... I had a precision GPS timing unit in my car a while ago and on a long straight unhindered stretch found that when the speed was indicating 70 it was in fact doing just 64.5. And it is legally required that they do not under read. Yes, imagine the claims!.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On 10/05/2013 01:40, Arfa Daily wrote:
.... Well, I did precis the story a little. Bit of background. She's 26 and actually very intelligent (and no, I'm not just saying that ...) She's an area manager for a national company, and covers the whole of the south of England. She is going to branches, hiring, firing, troubleshooting, pretty much every day, so I guess that you could say that she is a 'professional' driver. He company car is a nice little Merc A Class, and is just built for this sort of work. I would say overall that she is a very safe driver - at least she has never worried me at all when I've been out with her. She is not a 'mad' or stupid driver, and is very much aware of what's around her, and how road conditions and weather should influence her driving. That said, she is quick, and will be up there in the outside lane with the best of them, when conditions permit. She covers a lot of miles, and having spent a couple of years myself driving all over the country virtually every day a few years back, I know where she is coming from. Doing 80 MPH and 'risking it' is par for the course if you want to ever get the day done with.... Even if she spent 8 hours driving on motorways at 75mph instead of 80mph, it would only add 32 minutes to her day. As she probably isn't doing anything like that much motorway driving, in practice, driving at a speed that will attract points, as compared to one that probably won't, is only likely to add 10-15 minutes to her day. Colin Bignell |
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"Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 10/05/2013 01:40, Arfa Daily wrote: ... Well, I did precis the story a little. Bit of background. She's 26 and actually very intelligent (and no, I'm not just saying that ...) She's an area manager for a national company, and covers the whole of the south of England. She is going to branches, hiring, firing, troubleshooting, pretty much every day, so I guess that you could say that she is a 'professional' driver. He company car is a nice little Merc A Class, and is just built for this sort of work. I would say overall that she is a very safe driver - at least she has never worried me at all when I've been out with her. She is not a 'mad' or stupid driver, and is very much aware of what's around her, and how road conditions and weather should influence her driving. That said, she is quick, and will be up there in the outside lane with the best of them, when conditions permit. She covers a lot of miles, and having spent a couple of years myself driving all over the country virtually every day a few years back, I know where she is coming from. Doing 80 MPH and 'risking it' is par for the course if you want to ever get the day done with.... Even if she spent 8 hours driving on motorways at 75mph instead of 80mph, it would only add 32 minutes to her day. As she probably isn't doing anything like that much motorway driving, in practice, driving at a speed that will attract points, as compared to one that probably won't, is only likely to add 10-15 minutes to her day. Colin Bignell That's true, Colin. But as I'm sure you must know from your own experience, it sure doesn't feel that way when you've been stuck in traffic for the last half hour, and all you want to do is 'catch up' the lost time. On a road the size of a motorway - particularly where they've opened it up to four lanes - 70 MPH feels mighty slow in a modern car ... And yes, she often does spend 6 to 8 hours driving. Although she covers the whole of the south west region, many of the branches that she is responsible for are right down on the South coast, which is a lot further away than say Kingston or Reading .... Arfa |
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