I fitted a new cloakroom washbasin. Glad I checked each fixing hole
relative to the top of the basin as one of them was about 3/8" higher than
the other. I eas able to make allowances when I drilled the wall.

I suppose the holes are merely poked in when the moulding is soft.

On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:33:43 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

I fitted a new cloakroom washbasin. Glad I checked each fixing hole
relative to the top of the basin as one of them was about 3/8" higher than
the other. I eas able to make allowances when I drilled the wall.

I suppose the holes are merely poked in when the moulding is soft.

It isn't just soft plastic - I have an aluminium bog-roll holder and when I
fitted it the holes were the same spacing as the old one. Unfortunately
there was a difference of about 3mm in heightof the holes in the holder and
the holes in the wall were level. Then the holes for the sprung cylinder on
which the roll goes were out by another couple of mm - in the same
direction!
I did some filing and bodge drilling but the roll is still noticeably tilted
and has been annoying me for about 25 years. Somewhere I have a tuit in the
form of a right-angled drill chuck so eventually...
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

In article ,
PeterC writes:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:33:43 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote:

I fitted a new cloakroom washbasin. Glad I checked each fixing hole
relative to the top of the basin as one of them was about 3/8" higher than
the other. I eas able to make allowances when I drilled the wall.

I suppose the holes are merely poked in when the moulding is soft.

It isn't just soft plastic - I have an aluminium bog-roll holder and when I
fitted it the holes were the same spacing as the old one. Unfortunately
there was a difference of about 3mm in heightof the holes in the holder and
the holes in the wall were level. Then the holes for the sprung cylinder on
which the roll goes were out by another couple of mm - in the same
direction!
I did some filing and bodge drilling but the roll is still noticeably tilted
and has been annoying me for about 25 years. Somewhere I have a tuit in the
form of a right-angled drill chuck so eventually...

I fitted some metal shelf brackets from IKEA for dad.
Every mounting hole was in a different random position.
I had to number the brackes to make sure I fitted the
same bracket I had use to mark each drill hole, or they
would all have been out of line and at random angles.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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On 16/04/2013 09:18, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I fitted some metal shelf brackets from IKEA for dad.
Every mounting hole was in a different random position.
I had to number the brackes to make sure I fitted the
same bracket I had use to mark each drill hole, or they
would all have been out of line and at random angles.


I've had the same problem in the past. Three 1 metre long shelf fixings
so I used one as the master for marking and drilling the holes and then
found the holes in the other fixing were in somewhat random positions.


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Some years ago I bought 100 TV aerial chimney brackets. They were all
malformed and if the side of the chimney was vertical the mast came out
on a slight tilt. I took them back and the man said I was 'a bleeding
perfectionist'. He changed them though.

Likewise my son-in-law had a house in which the downstairs lavatory
pedestal was faulty in that the base was rotated somewhat relative to
the top part. It looked odd. The seat was correct but the base (which
was eight-sided; well rectangular with bevelled corners) was at an angle.

Not the same thing at all, and I don't know why it comes to mind, but in
the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose one
course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The back
window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how or why)
was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was visibly
trapezoid.

Bill

In article ,
Bill Wright writes:
Not the same thing at all, and I don't know why it comes to mind, but in
the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose one
course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The back
window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how or why)
was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was visibly
trapezoid.

There's a jargon word that describes this fault in a building,
but I can't remember what it is...

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 16/04/2013 21:30, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright writes:
Not the same thing at all, and I don't know why it comes to mind, but in
the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose one
course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The back
window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how or why)
was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was visibly
trapezoid.

There's a jargon word that describes this fault in a building,
but I can't remember what it is...


Well, in a crystal it would be a screw dislocation

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright writes:
Not the same thing at all, and I don't know why it comes to mind, but in
the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose one
course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The back
window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how or why)
was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was visibly
trapezoid.

There's a jargon word that describes this fault in a building,
but I can't remember what it is...

I wish you could. Anyway, years later he sold the house and no-one
noticed the defect.

Bill

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Bill Wright writes:

The brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it
rose one course on its way round. The whole structure was
skew-whiff.

There's a jargon word that describes this fault in a building,
but I can't remember what it is...

Having a "pig" in it, or a "pig course"?

According to this website, regional variations are "quelks" and
"gorrets" ...

http://www.cavitytrays.co.uk/news/view/39

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Andrew Gabriel wrote :
In article ,
Bill Wright writes:
Not the same thing at all, and I don't know why it comes to mind, but in
the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose one
course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The back
window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how or why)
was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was visibly
trapezoid.

There's a jargon word that describes this fault in a building,
but I can't remember what it is...

Brickwork had a pig in it

In my BCO days soemone ran into this when extending a house

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on',
Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com

In article , scribeth
thus
On 18 Apr,
Tony Bryer wrote:

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Andrew Gabriel wrote :
In article ,
Bill Wright writes:
Not the same thing at all, and I don't know why it comes to mind, but
in the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose
one course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The
back window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how
or why) was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was
visibly trapezoid.

There's a jargon word that describes this fault in a building, but I
can't remember what it is...

Brickwork had a pig in it

In my BCO days soemone ran into this when extending a house

When the first extension was being built on this house I saw the brickie
outside counting and looking puzzled. One side of the back of the house had
one less course than the other. You can't trust builders with helicopters!


Thats nothing .. there're building a new cinema complex over at St Neots
and thats a whole metre out in where its located.

Just how do they cock that up?..

Surely there must be surveyors come to check these things .. aren't
there?..
--
Tony Sayer

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:30:06 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

The whole structure was skew-whiff. The back
window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how or why)
was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was visibly
trapezoid.

There's a jargon word that describes this fault in a building,
but I can't remember what it is...

****edbuilder.

On 16/04/13 20:51, Bill Wright wrote:
Some years ago I bought 100 TV aerial chimney brackets. They were all
malformed and if the side of the chimney was vertical the mast came
out on a slight tilt. I took them back and the man said I was 'a
bleeding perfectionist'. He changed them though.

Likewise my son-in-law had a house in which the downstairs lavatory
pedestal was faulty in that the base was rotated somewhat relative to
the top part. It looked odd. The seat was correct but the base (which
was eight-sided; well rectangular with bevelled corners) was at an angle.


when I went to buy a corner basin for a tight space in a small loo, the
BM said 'go out and pick the nest one, none of them are square, but some
are more square than others'.

Clay shrinks as it dries before firing..
Not the same thing at all, and I don't know why it comes to mind, but
in the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose
one course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The
back window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how
or why) was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was
visibly trapezoid.


My builders kept telling me 'building is not engineering. Nothing is
ever true or square, we just work around that'.

My whole house is a parallelogram. Its out by a couple of inches one
diagonal to the other.

Bill


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Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

My builders kept telling me 'building is not engineering. Nothing is
ever true or square, we just work around that'.

My whole house is a parallelogram. Its out by a couple of inches one
diagonal to the other.

Bill


Must have been built by the same people who built mine. Put 150 years
of small movements on that and then try to find anything remotely
square, level, flat or straight....

On 17/04/13 13:00, GMM wrote:


My builders kept telling me 'building is not engineering. Nothing is
ever true or square, we just work around that'.

My whole house is a parallelogram. Its out by a couple of inches one
diagonal to the other.

Bill


Must have been built by the same people who built mine. Put 150 years
of small movements on that and then try to find anything remotely
square, level, flat or straight....

worse. the floors were built level..on green oak frames. They aren't any
more :-)


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

In message , Bill Wright
writes

Not the same thing at all, and I don't know why it comes to mind, but
in the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose
one course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The
back window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how
or why) was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was
visibly trapezoid.

Did he live in Kimpton?

My semi neighbour built a d-i-y extension which did just that:-)

Around the same time as well!



--
Tim Lamb

On 16/04/2013 20:51 Bill Wright wrote:

...in
the 1970s my uncle had a flat roofed kitchen extension built. The
brickwork joined the existing building at each side. Somehow it rose one
course on its way round. The whole structure was skew-whiff. The back
window was on a distinct slope but the ceiling (I don't know how or why)
was perfectly level, so the bit of wall above the window was visibly
trapezoid.

Also in the 1970s, we bought a new house on a new estate. One weekend,
just round the corner from the show house, they demolished a freshly
built detached house, carefully stacking window and door frames, before
rebuilding it over a very few days.

It turned out that the plasterers had gone in, checked the rooms for
square, and found that the back wall was a brick longer than the front wall!

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F