What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet
pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple
installation."

On Friday, January 25, 2013 6:05:57 PM UTC, Mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?



http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html



"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and

power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of

heating for overall economy and performance.

There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet

pipe circuit constantly losing heat.

We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for

power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple

installation."

a joke

In article ,
Mark mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient, so
there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

--
*How about "never"? Is "never" good for you?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:

In article ,
Mark mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient, so
there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.

You put in 4.2 joules (4.2 watts for one second), and in this universe
you get 1 calorie out. No ifs, buts, or maybes. (Unless someone can
redesign the universe).

Of course you can make a huge difference by directing the heat
differently. If you're in the open air, radiant heat helps, but
convection heat is a waste of energy.

--
Windmill, Use t m i l l
J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m
All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost

Windmill wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:

In article ,
Mark mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100%
efficient, so there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad
snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.

You put in 4.2 joules (4.2 watts for one second), and in this universe
you get 1 calorie out. No ifs, buts, or maybes. (Unless someone can
redesign the universe).

dennis?

--
Adam

On 26/01/2013 07:55, Windmill wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:

In article ,
Mark mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient, so
there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.


Assuming that light and sound (from fans) stays in the area to be heated ;-)

Rob

In article ,
Windmill wrote:
All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient,
so there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.

I'd be very cautious about claiming 100% efficiency for anything.

--
*Never test the depth of the water with both feet.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 26/01/13 10:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Windmill wrote:
All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient,
so there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.

I'd be very cautious about claiming 100% efficiency for anything.

in terms of making heat almost anything is 100% efficient. The question
with e.g. CH boilers is how much goes out the flue...

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 26/01/13 10:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Windmill wrote:
All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient,
so there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.

I'd be very cautious about claiming 100% efficiency for anything.

in terms of making heat almost anything is 100% efficient. The question
with e.g. CH boilers is how much goes out the flue...

And is lost warming up pipe-work in space that is not a usable room.
(Though I accept there is some benefit to this)

tim

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Windmill wrote:
All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient,
so there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.

I'd be very cautious about claiming 100% efficiency for anything.

In the case of electric home heating, 100% of the energy which the meter
measures turns to heat in the house. Almost all comes from the heater,
and a tiny percentage from the resistance in the wiring. Even the energy
used by the fan on a fan heater turns to heat when the bearings heat up
and the air slows down due to friction. It's the laws of physics. Any
inefficiency in electrical heating occurs outside the building being
heated due to power station and transmission losses.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:18:24 +0000 John Williamson wrote :
In the case of electric home heating, 100% of the energy which the meter
measures turns to heat in the house. Almost all comes from the heater,
and a tiny percentage from the resistance in the wiring.

But the latter may not be useful heat - depends where the cables run.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on',
Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com

In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
I'd be very cautious about claiming 100% efficiency for anything.

In the case of electric home heating, 100% of the energy which the meter
measures turns to heat in the house. Almost all comes from the heater,
and a tiny percentage from the resistance in the wiring. Even the energy
used by the fan on a fan heater turns to heat when the bearings heat up
and the air slows down due to friction. It's the laws of physics. Any
inefficiency in electrical heating occurs outside the building being
heated due to power station and transmission losses.

That's a bit like saying all the gas your meter reads is used.

What is important as regards practical efficiency is the end device. If it
is intended to heat a room, and some of its energy input is lost elsewhere
(even although this may be useful) it's not 100% efficient.

--
*Why is it considered necessary to screw down the lid of a coffin?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Windmill wrote:
All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient,
so there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.

I'd be very cautious about claiming 100% efficiency for anything.

I wouldn’t with electrical resistance heating.

It has to be a VERY load fan before too much escapes
from the house that doesn’t end up as heating.

"Dave Plowman (News)" writes:

In article ,
Windmill wrote:
All electric heating is as near as makes no difference 100% efficient,
so there is no room for improvement. Which makes this ad snake oil.

Not merely 'as near as makes no difference'. It's *exactly* 100%
efficient. Never any more, and never any less.
Even if an electric heater produces some light, that ends up heating a
surface somewhere.

I'd be very cautious about claiming 100% efficiency for anything.

Me too, but as far as the equivalence of electric power and heat is
concerned, the universe was designed (or just happened) that way.

--
Windmill, Use t m i l l
J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m
All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost

"Mark" wrote in message
om...
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet
pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple
installation."

This is the sort of nonsense that my sister falls for.

Whilst they are undoubtedly "tidier" than "wet" systems they are no more
efficient than using normal electric heaters to produce the same output but
at 1/20th of the installation cost.

tim

Mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No
wet pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and
simple installation."

I do believe I have seen similar ******** by other fraudsters:-)

At least I cannot see a claim that they are using German made clay filled
radiators like some other firms.

--
Adam

In message , Mark
writes
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet
pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple
installation."

Energy in = energy out. If it uses little electricity then it gives out
little heat.

A central heating 'wet pipe circuit' can only be 'losing heat' if the
pipes are routed OUTSIDE the house. In reality the heat given off by
pipes is simply released into the house.

Cleverly worded sales con.

--
Simon

12) The Second Rule of Expectations
An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment.

On 25/01/2013 18:05, Mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html


"Our surveyor will bring a sample for you to examine"

Is this the salesman who will not leave until you sign on the dotted line?

BTW, other forums suggest £1,200/£1,400 per radiator.

--
mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk

On 25/01/2013 18:05, Mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet
pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple
installation."


Probably works as well as their web server:

Service Temporarily Unavailable

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to
maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
Apache/2 Server at www.sunflowltd.co.uk Port 80

Andy

"Warning, simply extending a wet central heating system into the
conservatory contravenes building regulations. If you simply add a
radiator to your existing system you run the risk of a huge upsurge in
gas/oil/lpg usage because there would be an excessive call for heat.
This is why the legislation exists. The conservatory must have separate
controls (not just a separate thermostatic valve). Contravening this can
become a problem, especially if you try to sell the property in the future."

Is that right?

Bill

On 25/01/2013 21:41, Bill Wright wrote:
"Warning, simply extending a wet central heating system into the
conservatory contravenes building regulations. If you simply add a
radiator to your existing system you run the risk of a huge upsurge in
gas/oil/lpg usage because there would be an excessive call for heat.
This is why the legislation exists. The conservatory must have separate
controls (not just a separate thermostatic valve). Contravening this can
become a problem, especially if you try to sell the property in the
future."

Is that right?

Yes and no - as with most of that site, a thin shell of truth, stuffed
with a large helping of ********.

If you have a conservatory and it itself does not meet the building regs
standard of insulation (hence it must be isolated by doors from the main
property) then it should not be heated along with the rest of the house.
If its part and parcel of the house and not divided off from it - then
it meets the insulation requirements for a house and can be heated as such.

In a normal discrete conservatory adding a rad that is part of the house
system will not result in any excessive "call for heat" since that comes
from the room stat, and that won't be in the conservatory. You will
waste some energy however since you are heating a room that won't be
used as often as the rest of the house. A conservatory like that should
be on an independent heating zone with its own controls such that you
don't have top heat it when not required, and you can heat it without
heating the whole house as well.




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John.

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:05:57 -0000, Mark wrote:

What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

" ... a specially developed heat storage technology that uses less than a
third of the electricity."

Already been noted that energy in is always greater than energy out. So
shoving 1/3 less energy in means less energy out.

" ... Sunflow heating technicians work to rigorous standards and have to
identify all the factors that may be the cause of current
inefficiencies."

Why do I think they also up the insulation, remove draughts and claim
it's down to their "special" heaters.

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage.html

Doesn't quite state the above but it's close.

" ... by our team of specialists which include fully qualified plumbers
and electricians."

Plumbers? Why does an electric heating instalation require plumbers?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 25/01/2013 21:32, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Plumbers? Why does an electric heating instalation require plumbers?


When you buy one electric radiator from them they will helpfully dispose
of your "wet" central heating system. Don't forget their system is so
efficient and you can instantly heat your whole house from one 13Amp socket.

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"alan" wrote in message
...
On 25/01/2013 21:32, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Plumbers? Why does an electric heating instalation require plumbers?


When you buy one electric radiator from them they will helpfully dispose
of your "wet" central heating system. Don't forget their system is so
efficient and you can instantly heat your whole house from one 13Amp
socket.

AIH, I can! A 1kw wall heater in the hallway on 24/7.

OK, so it's only a 50-60 sqm 2 bed flat (top floor), but properly insulated
(and as an individual who doesn't like his house to be "stupidly" warm [1]),
perfectly possible.

Just wish it was a bit more controllable.

tim

[1] currently at 18 degrees, drops to 16 overnight, and that's with it
currently being -3 outside, when it's +4 outside I actually have to turn it
off overnight to stop it rising to an uncomfortable 23 in the daytime!

On 26/01/2013 12:15, tim..... wrote:

"alan" wrote in message
...
On 25/01/2013 21:32, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Plumbers? Why does an electric heating instalation require plumbers?


When you buy one electric radiator from them they will helpfully
dispose of your "wet" central heating system. Don't forget their
system is so efficient and you can instantly heat your whole house
from one 13Amp socket.

AIH, I can! A 1kw wall heater in the hallway on 24/7.

OK, so it's only a 50-60 sqm 2 bed flat (top floor), but properly
insulated (and as an individual who doesn't like his house to be
"stupidly" warm [1]), perfectly possible.

Just wish it was a bit more controllable.

tim

[1] currently at 18 degrees, drops to 16 overnight, and that's with it
currently being -3 outside, when it's +4 outside I actually have to turn
it off overnight to stop it rising to an uncomfortable 23 in the daytime!

Fit a thermostat then.

dennis@home wrote:
On 26/01/2013 12:15, tim..... wrote:

"alan" wrote in message
...
On 25/01/2013 21:32, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Plumbers? Why does an electric heating instalation require
plumbers?

When you buy one electric radiator from them they will helpfully
dispose of your "wet" central heating system. Don't forget their
system is so efficient and you can instantly heat your whole house
from one 13Amp socket.

AIH, I can! A 1kw wall heater in the hallway on 24/7.

OK, so it's only a 50-60 sqm 2 bed flat (top floor), but properly
insulated (and as an individual who doesn't like his house to be
"stupidly" warm [1]), perfectly possible.

Just wish it was a bit more controllable.

tim

[1] currently at 18 degrees, drops to 16 overnight, and that's with
it currently being -3 outside, when it's +4 outside I actually have
to turn it off overnight to stop it rising to an uncomfortable 23
in the daytime!

Fit a thermostat then.

:-)

--
Adam

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 26/01/2013 12:15, tim..... wrote:

"alan" wrote in message
...
On 25/01/2013 21:32, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Plumbers? Why does an electric heating instalation require plumbers?


When you buy one electric radiator from them they will helpfully
dispose of your "wet" central heating system. Don't forget their
system is so efficient and you can instantly heat your whole house
from one 13Amp socket.

AIH, I can! A 1kw wall heater in the hallway on 24/7.

OK, so it's only a 50-60 sqm 2 bed flat (top floor), but properly
insulated (and as an individual who doesn't like his house to be
"stupidly" warm [1]), perfectly possible.

Just wish it was a bit more controllable.

tim

[1] currently at 18 degrees, drops to 16 overnight, and that's with it
currently being -3 outside, when it's +4 outside I actually have to turn
it off overnight to stop it rising to an uncomfortable 23 in the daytime!

Fit a thermostat then.

Well I can't do that cos it's rented (the flat not the heater).

But TBH I didn't think that you could actually get anything (capable of
controlling a 1kW load) which is any better than the completely F***ing
useless things that are integrated into the heater and have an approx 10
degree difference between turn off and turn on temps for any given setting
(which in any case measures the temp 2 inches from the element not the other
side of the room).

Happy to be proved wrong

tim

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:15:39 -0000, tim..... wrote:

AIH, I can! A 1kw wall heater in the hallway on 24/7.

OK, so it's only a 50-60 sqm 2 bed flat (top floor), but properly
insulated (and as an individual who doesn't like his house to be
"stupidly" warm [1]), perfectly possible.

So 1 kW input from yoru heater, how much is coming up from the flat
below?

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:15:39 -0000, tim..... wrote:

AIH, I can! A 1kw wall heater in the hallway on 24/7.

OK, so it's only a 50-60 sqm 2 bed flat (top floor), but properly
insulated (and as an individual who doesn't like his house to be
"stupidly" warm [1]), perfectly possible.

So 1 kW input from yoru heater, how much is coming up from the flat
below?

It's commercial premises and not heated overnight.

But in any case I would expect the insulation to be the same as that in the
roof which seems to be rather good.

tim

On Jan 25, 6:05*pm, Mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet
pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple
installation."

As others point out, all electric heaters are 100% efficient.
However, sometimes a radiant heater can be cheaper to run as it can
provide local heat in a large space.
Also good for intermittent heat.
Also capital costs low.
Also where no gas is available.
Storage heaters can be as cheap to run as tanker gas.
(and cheaper to install)

But any form of convector heater for continuous heat in a sizeable
area where mains gas is available and it's ********.

On 26/01/2013 07:42, harry wrote:
On Jan 25, 6:05 pm, Mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet
pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple
installation."

As others point out, all electric heaters are 100% efficient.

Some are more than 100%, see link below.

The stuff on the site doesn't look like its anything more than a
convection heater but they aren't exactly giving much information.

I expect they just want to get a foot in the door for a hard sell.

However, sometimes a radiant heater can be cheaper to run as it can
provide local heat in a large space.
Also good for intermittent heat.
Also capital costs low.
Also where no gas is available.
Storage heaters can be as cheap to run as tanker gas.
(and cheaper to install)

But any form of convector heater for continuous heat in a sizeable
area where mains gas is available and it's ********.






I would consider fitting these electric driven heaters/coolers
http://www.vyair.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=125
They are cheaper than the stuff on that site.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...
On 26/01/2013 07:42, harry wrote:
On Jan 25, 6:05 pm, Mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet
pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple
installation."

As others point out, all electric heaters are 100% efficient.

Some are more than 100%,

Yes, most obviously with heat pumps.

see link below.

The stuff on the site doesn't look like its anything more than a
convection heater but they aren't exactly giving much information.

I expect they just want to get a foot in the door for a hard sell.

However, sometimes a radiant heater can be cheaper to run as it can
provide local heat in a large space.
Also good for intermittent heat.
Also capital costs low.
Also where no gas is available.
Storage heaters can be as cheap to run as tanker gas.
(and cheaper to install)

But any form of convector heater for continuous heat in a sizeable
area where mains gas is available and it's ********.

I would consider fitting these electric driven heaters/coolers
http://www.vyair.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=125
They are cheaper than the stuff on that site.

But not as cheap as heating with gas capital cost wise.

On 26/01/2013 07:42, harry wrote:

Also capital costs low.

But it appears that the products from this company are x3 the price of
the 'same' item from other suppliers and possibly x10 the cost of a
similar electrical heating technology.



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"alan" wrote in message
...
On 26/01/2013 07:42, harry wrote:

Also capital costs low.

But it appears that the products from this company are x3 the price of the
'same' item from other suppliers and possibly x10 the cost of a similar
electrical heating technology.

I think the the PP was pricing standard electric heaters, not this nonsense
one

tim

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:05:57 -0000, Mark
wrote:

What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html

"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and
power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of
heating for overall economy and performance.
There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet
pipe circuit constantly losing heat.
We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for
power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple
installation."

Look at the target market this firm and others who provide similar
products aim their advertising at. The advertisements tend to be in
magazines like "Yours" or free local ad publications and are aimed
squarely at the retired generation who have a few thousands in savings
that can be extracted by baffling elderly Woman with bull****,their
Husbands are either dead or not well enough to intervene anymore.
It's not actually illegal to sell something for a large sum when
something less expensive can do the same job,it's how Russ Andrews
makes a living after all.
If anything I think some of the publications that carry the ads are
worse than the advertisers, they are full of articles warning readers
not to be caught out by con men and scams but are quite happy to
accept the revenue from these companies targeting some of their
vulnerable readers. Bloody Hypocrites .

G.Harman

On 26/01/2013 14:02, wrote:

Look at the target market this firm and others who provide similar
products aim their advertising at. The advertisements tend to be in
magazines like "Yours" or free local ad publications and are aimed
squarely at the retired generation who have a few thousands in savings
that can be extracted by baffling elderly Woman with bull****,their
Husbands are either dead or not well enough to intervene anymore.
It's not actually illegal to sell something for a large sum when
something less expensive can do the same job,it's how Russ Andrews
makes a living after all.
If anything I think some of the publications that carry the ads are
worse than the advertisers, they are full of articles warning readers
not to be caught out by con men and scams but are quite happy to
accept the revenue from these companies targeting some of their
vulnerable readers. Bloody Hypocrites .


Rummage around and you'll see them reporting a "discussion in the pub"
with a "gas engineer" who claims that mains gas is poisonous. I note
they don't say it themselves, only report that someone else did... and
add "* These notes are the opinions of the author only."

Andy

On Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:14:57 PM UTC, Andy Champ wrote:


Rummage around and you'll see them reporting a "discussion in the pub"
with a "gas engineer" who claims that mains gas is poisonous. I note
they don't say it themselves, only report that someone else did... and
add "* These notes are the opinions of the author only."

I suppose it would have been true forty years ago...
Another gem from the same page - "There is a basic principle that cold air is attracted to warm air and never the other way round."

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:31:44 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Another gem from the same page - "There is a basic principle that
cold air is attracted to warm air and never the other way round."

Good grief. I thought every five year old kid knew that.
Before their heads got full of that education stuff...

On Friday, January 25, 2013 6:05:57 PM UTC, Mark wrote:
What do you think? Snake oil or worth considering?



http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage3.html



"Heating that provides greater economy, higher levels of control and

power, with simple installation, rivalling ANY, yes ANY other form of

heating for overall economy and performance.

There is NO waste, no flue, no chimney, no long charge up times. No wet

pipe circuit constantly losing heat.

We believe Sunflow heating surpasses ALL other types of heating for

power, control and low running costs, combined with no waste and simple

installation."

I notice they dont advertise their address

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:22:40 -0800 (PST), sintv wrote:

I notice they dont advertise their address

You didn't look hard enough, "Terms & Conditions":

http://www.sunflowltd.co.uk/gpage6.html

That only gives *an* address, as a Limited Co they should be stating the
registered address, Co. registration number and a few other things that I
forget.

The address does tie up with the address in the whois record for the
doamin. That is registered as a "UK Individual", mind you that is very
common for business's.

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Cheers
Dave.