"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously need to be about 3mph

On 17/01/2013 10:16, fred wrote:


"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously need to be about 3mph

Not the same. We have pedestrian-friendly bumpers. And other features
which should help reduce the effect of a car hitting a person. Maybe we
could push the boat out to 5 mph?

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Rod

On 17/01/2013 11:22, polygonum wrote:
On 17/01/2013 10:16, fred wrote:


"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian
to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting
the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an
automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of
4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously
need to be about 3mph

Not the same. We have pedestrian-friendly bumpers. And other features
which should help reduce the effect of a car hitting a person. Maybe we
could push the boat out to 5 mph?

Variable speed limits might be more to the point. I used to drive to
work past a school at about 15-20mph and did manage to stop dead once
when a boy without any warning ran into the road in front of me. Nearly
got caught by police with radar guns a couple of times on Sundays on the
same road when it was deserted.

Or maybe everyone needs to wear special leg protectors when out walking in
these 'shared spaces' These places do not work as intended and its about
time councils stopped looking at pretty pictures and started protecting
pedestrians again using those new fangled devices called pavement ts and
crossing points with lights.
grin.

Brian

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"fred" wrote in message
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"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to be
killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the Crystal
Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an automobile which was
giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously need
to be about 3mph

On 17/01/2013 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Or maybe everyone needs to wear special leg protectors when out walking in
these 'shared spaces' These places do not work as intended and its about
time councils stopped looking at pretty pictures and started protecting
pedestrians again using those new fangled devices called pavement ts and
crossing points with lights.
grin.

Brian

But that would mean banning cars from pavements. And they seem to be
quite popular for parking on.

fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to
be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the
Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an
automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously need to be about 3mph

Bring back the man with the red flag. Not only will it eliminate road
deaths but it will also eliminate unemployment. I can see NuLabr adopting
this policy as a matter of urgency to reduce the hideous carnage on our
roads.


Eh? Whaddayermean not many people die onthe roads nowadays?

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fred wrote

"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the
first pedestrian to be killed in a car accident in the United
Kingdom. Whilst visiting the Crystal Palace in London on
17th August 1896, she was hit by an automobile which was
giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ?

Farkinell, we have 40KM/H speed limits past schools and
they are irritatingly slow but the school zones arent that large.

They obviously need to be about 3mph

On 17/01/2013 10:16, fred wrote:

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ?

Stealth tax - raising money from speeding fines.


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On Jan 17, 10:16*am, fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously need to be about 3mph

She probably never seen a motor car before.
And assumed that like a horse, it would stop.

fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian
to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting
the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an
automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of
4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously
need to be about 3mph

Death by rail was much earlier.

William Huskisson

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On 17/01/2013 20:46, ARW wrote:
fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian
to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting
the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an
automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of
4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously
need to be about 3mph

Death by rail was much earlier.

William Huskisson

As, indeed, was the first car death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ward_%28scientist%29

Though still many years after WH.

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Rod

"harry" wrote in message
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On Jan 17, 10:16 am, fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to
be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the
Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an
automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4
mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously
need to be about 3mph

She probably never seen a motor car before.
And assumed that like a horse, it would stop.

Plenty got run down and killed by horses at that time.

On Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:05:22 AM UTC, Andrew May wrote:
On 17/01/2013 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:

Or maybe everyone needs to wear special leg protectors when out walking in

these 'shared spaces' These places do not work as intended and its about

time councils stopped looking at pretty pictures and started protecting

pedestrians again using those new fangled devices called pavement ts and

crossing points with lights.

grin.



Brian



But that would mean banning cars from pavements. And they seem to be

quite popular for parking on.

You've been to Paris then ?

On 17/01/2013 20:01, alan wrote:
On 17/01/2013 10:16, fred wrote:

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ?

Stealth tax - raising money from speeding fines.


rubbish.. you don't have to speed.
Now congestion charging is a tax.

On 17/01/13 20:03, harry wrote:
On Jan 17, 10:16 am, fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously need to be about 3mph

She probably never seen a motor car before.
And assumed that like a horse, it would stop.

Darwin rules. Horse accidents vastly exceeeded motor accidents for years
until the utter demise of the horse. Horses don't even have drum brakes
and a couple of tons of cart are hard to stop.

Th history of the motor vehicle is one of falling accident and death
rates from road traffic accidents.


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rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On Thursday, 17 January 2013 20:03:02 UTC, harry wrote:
On Jan 17, 10:16*am, fred wrote:

"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4 mph. R.D."



Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously need to be about 3mph



She probably never seen a motor car before.

And assumed that like a horse, it would stop.

Yes, IU she repeatedly opened and closed her umbrella at it which was the accepted way to stop a horse, but it didn't work.

Chris

On Jan 17, 9:02*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

On Jan 17, 10:16 am, fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian to
be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the
Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an
automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of 4
mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously
need to be about 3mph

She probably never seen a motor car before.
And assumed that like a horse, it would stop.

Plenty got run down and killed by horses at that time.

At 4mph it would stop.

On 18/01/2013 01:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/01/13 20:03, harry wrote:
On Jan 17, 10:16 am, fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian
to be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting
the Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an
automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of
4 mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously
need to be about 3mph

She probably never seen a motor car before.
And assumed that like a horse, it would stop.

Darwin rules. Horse accidents vastly exceeeded motor accidents for years
until the utter demise of the horse. Horses don't even have drum brakes
and a couple of tons of cart are hard to stop.

Th history of the motor vehicle is one of falling accident and death
rates from road traffic accidents.


Horses are also dangerous when stationary - horse kicks being a
significant danger. Poisson anyone?

--
Rod

"harry" wrote in message
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On Jan 17, 9:02 pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

On Jan 17, 10:16 am, fred wrote:
"Bridget Driscoll achieved notoriety by becoming the first pedestrian
to
be killed in a car accident in the United Kingdom. Whilst visiting the
Crystal Palace in London on 17th August 1896, she was hit by an
automobile which was giving demonstration rides at a maximum speed of
4
mph. R.D."

Whats the point of these new 20mph city speed limits ? They obviously
need to be about 3mph

She probably never seen a motor car before.
And assumed that like a horse, it would stop.

Plenty got run down and killed by horses at that time.

At 4mph it would stop.

Plenty didn't.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:26:36 +0000, polygonum wrote:

Horses are also dangerous when stationary - horse kicks being a
significant danger. Poisson anyone?

"Goals, floods, and horse kicks"

Haven't seen that in a while.

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Terry Fields