Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I noticed last week and grabbed one - having some 20 holes to drill in the
ceiling[1]

Bloody hell - they are awesome. 74mm hole cut through double layer PB and
zero (yes zero) dust escaped. Totally worth the 20 quid.

I suspect they would help with larger drills too - I am about to find that
out...

Not affiliated with SF...

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Tim Watts

On May 13, 2:03*pm, Tim Watts wrote:
Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I noticed last week and grabbed one - having some 20 holes to drill in the
ceiling[1]

Bloody hell - they are awesome. 74mm hole cut through double layer PB and
zero (yes zero) dust escaped. Totally worth the 20 quid.

I suspect they would help with larger drills too - I am about to find that
out...

Not affiliated with SF...

£1 plastic bowl, 42mm waste pipe IIRC, solvent.


NT

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I noticed last week and grabbed one - having some 20 holes to drill in the
ceiling[1]

Bloody hell - they are awesome. 74mm hole cut through double layer PB and
zero (yes zero) dust escaped. Totally worth the 20 quid.

I suspect they would help with larger drills too - I am about to find that
out...

Not affiliated with SF...

Great idea but about £19 overpriced IMHO.

brass monkey wrote:

"Tim wrote:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

Great idea but about £19 overpriced IMHO.

Looks like you could make one from the 'hat' of a fifty CD cake pack.

Andy Burns wrote:

brass monkey wrote:

"Tim wrote:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

Great idea but about £19 overpriced IMHO.

Looks like you could make one from the 'hat' of a fifty CD cake pack.

I thought of similar ideas (but not a CD "hat").

One flaw - this thing is made of silicone rubber and relies on being able to
squash up so as to maintain a seal to the ceiling from star to end (so about
1" movement).
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Tim Watts

Tim Watts wrote:
Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831


Sorry Tim. I am a pro electrician. I just let the dust fall on the floor and
leave it.

--
Adam

brass monkey wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I noticed last week and grabbed one - having some 20 holes to drill in
the ceiling[1]

Bloody hell - they are awesome. 74mm hole cut through double layer PB and
zero (yes zero) dust escaped. Totally worth the 20 quid.

I suspect they would help with larger drills too - I am about to find
that out...

Not affiliated with SF...

Great idea but about �19 overpriced IMHO.

Worth every penny to me compared to the amount of clearing/sheeting or
cleaning I'd have to do (TVs, kitched stuff, beds etc underneath all the
holes).

But - yes, they probably cost a quid to actually make
--
Tim Watts

ARWadsworth wrote:

Tim Watts wrote:
Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831


Sorry Tim. I am a pro electrician. I just let the dust fall on the floor
and leave it.



HeHe -


But I know *you* are the least likely to do that - especially if your
customer is of pleasing presentation ;-
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Tim Watts

On 13/05/2012 15:33, Tim Watts wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

brass monkey wrote:

"Tim wrote:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

Great idea but about £19 overpriced IMHO.

Looks like you could make one from the 'hat' of a fifty CD cake pack.

I thought of similar ideas (but not a CD "hat").

One flaw - this thing is made of silicone rubber and relies on being able to
squash up so as to maintain a seal to the ceiling from star to end (so about
1" movement).

So the hat with the top chopped free and then refitted with a couple of
condoms ;-)

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John.

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John Rumm wrote:

On 13/05/2012 15:33, Tim Watts wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

brass monkey wrote:

"Tim wrote:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

Great idea but about £19 overpriced IMHO.

Looks like you could make one from the 'hat' of a fifty CD cake pack.

I thought of similar ideas (but not a CD "hat").

One flaw - this thing is made of silicone rubber and relies on being able
to squash up so as to maintain a seal to the ceiling from star to end (so
about 1" movement).

So the hat with the top chopped free and then refitted with a couple of
condoms ;-)


Well at least the ceiling won't get pregnant ;-

Seriously - I have just drilled loads of holes and now I have no hovvering
to do. That's worth 20 quid in my book


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Tim Watts

On Sun, 13 May 2012 14:03:19 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I noticed last week and grabbed one - having some 20 holes to drill in the
ceiling[1]

Bloody hell - they are awesome. 74mm hole cut through double layer PB and
zero (yes zero) dust escaped. Totally worth the 20 quid.

Yes, I see how it works and I'm totally convinced, having bought one
that fits over a box sinker - but that one cost me £8 and I can't see
how £21 is justified.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2012 14:03:19 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I noticed last week and grabbed one - having some 20 holes to drill in the
ceiling[1]

Bloody hell - they are awesome. 74mm hole cut through double layer PB and
zero (yes zero) dust escaped. Totally worth the 20 quid.

Yes, I see how it works and I'm totally convinced, having bought one
that fits over a box sinker - but that one cost me £8 and I can't see
how £21 is justified.

Where did you get your £8 one?
--
Tim Watts

In article ,
Tim Watts writes:
Adam and TMH might like these if you haven't noticed them befo

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I noticed last week and grabbed one - having some 20 holes to drill in the
ceiling[1]

Bloody hell - they are awesome. 74mm hole cut through double layer PB and
zero (yes zero) dust escaped. Totally worth the 20 quid.

I suspect they would help with larger drills too - I am about to find that
out...

Not affiliated with SF...

I think I first saw these on Dragon's Den, but I'm not at all sure
it was those folks who eventually got their product to market.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Tim writes:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I think I first saw these on Dragon's Den, but I'm not at all sure
it was those folks who eventually got their product to market.

It seems to be this one

http://simpleideasuk.com/products.htm

DADE = Dust and Debris Eliminator, which sounds tacky enough, but no "As
seen on TV" boasts ...

Andy Burns wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Tim writes:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/dust-debris-collector/90831

I think I first saw these on Dragon's Den, but I'm not at all sure
it was those folks who eventually got their product to market.

It seems to be this one

http://simpleideasuk.com/products.htm

DADE = Dust and Debris Eliminator, which sounds tacky enough, but no "As
seen on TV" boasts ...

That is the screwfix one for sure.


--
Tim Watts

On Sun, 13 May 2012 15:34:21 +0100, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

Sorry Tim. I am a pro electrician. I just let the dust fall on the floor and
leave it.

Well, that's what housewives are for.

I always clean up after me, but many times the woman of the house has
insisted on me leaving the mess to her. I think some women just don't
trust any bloke to clean up after him the way she'd want it done.
Otoh, many housewife customers have expressed appreciation at me
cleaning up properly, as if it's something they've been unused to from
other trades.

On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:49:04 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Yes, I see how it works and I'm totally convinced, having bought one
that fits over a box sinker - but that one cost me £8 and I can't see
how £21 is justified.

Where did you get your £8 one?

From an NI supplier on ebay a couple of years ago, iirc.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2012 15:34:21 +0100, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

Sorry Tim. I am a pro electrician. I just let the dust fall on the
floor and leave it.

Well, that's what housewives are for.

I can find better uses for them.

--
Adam

Hi All

Sorry to jump in your discussion but I have been reading the posts with interest.
We design and manufacture the DADE and thank you for your comments. In answer to the queries.

No, it has not been on DD yet! I am an electrician by trade and continue to work on the tools.

Unfortunetly the product costs more to make than a pound. As you will appreciate I won't detail full costs, but it costs a lot more than a pound to make also we have to pay for various outlays like sales people, marketing, moulding costs and patent costs.

We have always tried to keep the cost of the product as low as possible however we have no control of how much the wholesalers retail it for and also the dreaded VAT that goes to no one but the govt. Needless to say I do not receive £20 per unit.

I know there are options to make your own but with experience such contraptions will break, the DADE will work with double or triple skin plasterboard, more than a inch.

Finally thank you for commenting on the name, the wife thought of that so she is to blame, however no one seems to forget it and great to here the way people pronounce it. If you shop around the price does vary.

Regards

On 22/05/2012 09:42, Deansiuk wrote:
Hi All

Sorry to jump in your discussion but I have been reading the posts with
interest.
We design and manufacture the DADE and thank you for your comments. In
answer to the queries.

Thanks for joining in - its nice to get a bit of background on these
things...

No, it has not been on DD yet! I am an electrician by trade and continue
to work on the tools.

Unfortunetly the product costs more to make than a pound. As you will
appreciate I won't detail full costs, but it costs a lot more than a
pound to make also we have to pay for various outlays like sales people,
marketing, moulding costs and patent costs.

Indeed - I expect most folks here will realise that making manufacturing
and selling a product of that nature is not going to be particularly
cheap - especially in the early days when the concept is new and volumes
relatively low.

We have always tried to keep the cost of the product as low as possible
however we have no control of how much the wholesalers retail it for and
also the dreaded VAT that goes to no one but the govt. Needless to say I
do not receive £20 per unit.

I know there are options to make your own but with experience such
contraptions will break, the DADE will work with double or triple skin
plasterboard, more than a inch.

Yup, I am sure its one of those things that is simple in theory, but
actually quite difficult to get a working and durable product out of the
end. Out of curiosity, how many versions did you have to go through to
find your final version?

Finally thank you for commenting on the name, the wife thought of that
so she is to blame, however no one seems to forget it and great to here
the way people pronounce it. If you shop around the price does vary.

;-)


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John.

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Deansiuk wrote:


Hi All

Sorry to jump in your discussion but I have been reading the posts with
interest.

No - you're totally welcome. It's great to get a manufacturer/designer on
here for an on-topic discussion (as opposed to SPAM!).

We design and manufacture the DADE and thank you for your comments. In
answer to the queries.

No, it has not been on DD yet! I am an electrician by trade and continue
to work on the tools.

Probably explains why it works! ;-

Unfortunetly the product costs more to make than a pound. As you will
appreciate I won't detail full costs, but it costs a lot more than a
pound to make also we have to pay for various outlays like sales people,
marketing, moulding costs and patent costs.

I can appreciate that - for small volumes. Personally it was worth £20 *to
me* just in aggravation saving for a single house's worth of ceiling
drilling. If you are aiming at trade, I would imagine it will do a lot of
work before it's worn out. Washes nicely with warm soapy water too (so I can
see where the drill point is going).

We have always tried to keep the cost of the product as low as possible
however we have no control of how much the wholesalers retail it for and
also the dreaded VAT that goes to no one but the govt. Needless to say I
do not receive �20 per unit.

I hope you could promote it to more resellers, eg TLC who do not have
anything like this.


I know there are options to make your own but with experience such
contraptions will break, the DADE will work with double or triple skin
plasterboard, more than a inch.

I certainly agree on the double PB - worked very well for me.

Finally thank you for commenting on the name, the wife thought of that
so she is to blame, however no one seems to forget it and great to here
the way people pronounce it. If you shop around the price does vary.

Regards

Good luck!

--
Tim Watts

Deansiuk wrote:
Hi All

Sorry to jump in your discussion but I have been reading the posts
with interest.
We design and manufacture the DADE and thank you for your comments. In
answer to the queries.

No, it has not been on DD yet! I am an electrician by trade and
continue to work on the tools.

OK, you have impressed me. I can have a word with the manager of my
electricical wholesalers if you email me. They are not a national chain. You
might have already approached them, lets see.

Cheers for the feed back.

--
Adam

Hi Gents

Thanks for comments. From the idea to final production model was 3 years, and we had 4 versions of prototype moulds made. The design changed considerably to the product that we have today. The product is designed for trade use and as such the product is expected to last considerable amounts of holes (600+)

Unfortunately it is difficult for companies that only manufacture one product like us to get on suppliers lists, they want to deal with companies who can supply lots of different products. We can use distributers who then sell to wholesalers but this has effect on the costs as there is another company wanting to take a percentage for themselves (hence costs rise).

We are continuing to add wholesalers all the time, if there are wholesalers out there who want to stock we are on the web, I won't go into our details as the host may be annoyed of promoting via there site.

Thanks for your understanding.

On 22/05/2012 22:13, Deansiuk wrote:
Hi Gents

Thanks for comments. From the idea to final production model was 3
years, and we had 4 versions of prototype moulds made. The design
changed considerably to the product that we have today. The product is
designed for trade use and as such the product is expected to last
considerable amounts of holes (600+)

Unfortunately it is difficult for companies that only manufacture one
product like us to get on suppliers lists, they want to deal with
companies who can supply lots of different products. We can use
distributers who then sell to wholesalers but this has effect on the
costs as there is another company wanting to take a percentage for
themselves (hence costs rise).

We are continuing to add wholesalers all the time, if there are

As others have mentioned TLC Direct would be a good one - national
coverage and good web based ordering.

wholesalers out there who want to stock we are on the web, I won't go
into our details as the host may be annoyed of promoting via there
site.

As an aside, you are posting from diybanter.com which is just a web
front end to what is actually a usenet newsgroup[1]. So they are not a
"host" in the accepted sense - so feel free to upset them as much as you
like ;-)

(after all, they use our freely contributed conversations to sell
advertising against!)

[1] http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...up_access_tips

Also, if you want to stick an article about your product on our wiki,
then feel free since it sounds like it could be useful for a number of
general DIY related activities, not just fitting ceiling spots. Drop me
a line if you want an account. See
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...count_Requests for details.

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