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I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead.
Bosch PSR 2.4 v Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D ?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. |
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ss wrote: I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D ?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. Most power tools use what are called Sub-C cells. They can be bought individually with 'tags' which allow them to be soldered together. Expect to pay about 4-5 quid per cell for decent ones. Most electronics suppliers have them, even Maplin. Be wary of cheap ones from China on Ebay. -- *If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with battery? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , ss wrote: I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D ?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. Most power tools use what are called Sub-C cells. They can be bought individually with 'tags' which allow them to be soldered together. Expect to pay about 4-5 quid per cell for decent ones. Most electronics suppliers have them, even Maplin. Be wary of cheap ones from China on Ebay. You'll need to know if they are NiCds or NiMH. I have an old 3 Sub-C cell one, and that uses NiCds, which I have replaced once or twice. They've got harder to find, but I really like that screwdriver - much nicer than anything newer that I've played with. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Dec 15, 12:26*am, (Andrew Gabriel)
wrote: In article , * * * * "Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , * *ss wrote: I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v *Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D *?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. Most power tools use what are called Sub-C cells. They can be bought individually with 'tags' which allow them to be soldered together. Expect to pay about 4-5 quid per cell for decent ones. Most electronics suppliers have them, even Maplin. Be wary of cheap ones from China on Ebay. You'll need to know if they are NiCds or NiMH. I have an old 3 Sub-C cell one, and that uses NiCds, which I have replaced once or twice. They've got harder to find, but I really like that screwdriver - much nicer than anything newer that I've played with. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] I've a favourite 9v6 Bosch that needs re-celling, and having just had a look on Ebay I see that there is really little choice but Chinese ones. Has anyone found any of these usable or do I have to search more extensively at home for what might just be the same thing with a UK mark up on it. Rob |
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:33:05 +0000, ss wrote:
I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D ?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. No but have a look at the Maplin battery boxes for a couple of ordinary AA NiMh with the PP9 type contacts on top. It makes a quick and cheap alternative to tagged C cells and might have the capacity that you http://www.maplin.co.uk/aa-size-battery-holders-31427 |
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robgraham writes: On Dec 15, 12:26*am, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , * * * * "Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , * *ss wrote: I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v *Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D *?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. Most power tools use what are called Sub-C cells. They can be bought individually with 'tags' which allow them to be soldered together. Expect to pay about 4-5 quid per cell for decent ones. Most electronics suppliers have them, even Maplin. Be wary of cheap ones from China on Ebay. You'll need to know if they are NiCds or NiMH. I have an old 3 Sub-C cell one, and that uses NiCds, which I have replaced once or twice. They've got harder to find, but I really like that screwdriver - much nicer than anything newer that I've played with. I've a favourite 9v6 Bosch that needs re-celling, and having just had a look on Ebay I see that there is really little choice but Chinese ones. Has anyone found any of these usable or do I have to search more extensively at home for what might just be the same thing with a UK mark up on it. I bought from somewhere like CPC, or Maplin, or Farnell (can't recall now), but whereever it was, was reducing their range of NiCds. I wanted reasonable quality ones. I don't think I'd buy rechargables off ebay. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On 15/12/2011 00:50, Ericp wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:33:05 +0000, wrote: I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D ?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. No but have a look at the Maplin battery boxes for a couple of ordinary AA NiMh with the PP9 type contacts on top. It makes a quick and cheap alternative to tagged C cells and might have the capacity that you http://www.maplin.co.uk/aa-size-battery-holders-31427 I`ll pop into maplin tomorrow and have a look, it couldnt have come at a worst time as I am laying ply for tiling a kitchen and over 1000 screws to fix! My wrists wont take trying to do manually. |
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... I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D ?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. Does the Bosch website not have recommendations? I got the contact for the B&D "repair people" and their website had lots of spare parts, including replacement batteries for my own screwdriver. possibly a little more pricey than sourcing yourself but "time is money". Paul DS |
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ss writes: On 15/12/2011 00:50, Ericp wrote: No but have a look at the Maplin battery boxes for a couple of ordinary AA NiMh with the PP9 type contacts on top. It makes a quick and cheap alternative to tagged C cells and might have the capacity that you http://www.maplin.co.uk/aa-size-battery-holders-31427 IME, you won't fit anything into the compartment, except exactly the batteries it was designed for. I`ll pop into maplin tomorrow and have a look, it couldnt have come at a worst time as I am laying ply for tiling a kitchen and over 1000 screws to fix! My wrists wont take trying to do manually. For this sort of thing, I put a screwdriver bit into my SDS drill, which has a good low gear and excellent low speed control. (Not in hammer mode though;-) It's much faster than a battery screwdriver. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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, robgraham writes On Dec 15, 12:26*am, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , * * * * "Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , * *ss wrote: I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v *Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D *?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. Most power tools use what are called Sub-C cells. They can be bought individually with 'tags' which allow them to be soldered together. Expect to pay about 4-5 quid per cell for decent ones. Most electronics suppliers have them, even Maplin. Be wary of cheap ones from China on Ebay. You'll need to know if they are NiCds or NiMH. I have an old 3 Sub-C cell one, and that uses NiCds, which I have replaced once or twice. They've got harder to find, but I really like that screwdriver - much nicer than anything newer that I've played with. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] I've a favourite 9v6 Bosch that needs re-celling, and having just had a look on Ebay I see that there is really little choice but Chinese ones. Has anyone found any of these usable or do I have to search more extensively at home for what might just be the same thing with a UK mark up on it. I have a favourite 9.6V Bosch drill which needed re-celling a few years ago. Somebody in here recommended a re-cell company (possibly recellyourbattery.com). In the event, they were able to supply a complete replacement for little more than the re-celling charge plus postage. With the move away from ni-cad, things may have changed. regards -- Tim Lamb |
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:18:32 -0000, "Paul D Smith"
wrote: "ss" wrote in message ... I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D ?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. Does the Bosch website not have recommendations? I got the contact for the B&D "repair people" and their website had lots of spare parts, including replacement batteries for my own screwdriver. possibly a little more pricey than sourcing yourself but "time is money". It's probably cheaper to buy an whole new drill/driver. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote: I`ll pop into maplin tomorrow and have a look, it couldnt have come at a worst time as I am laying ply for tiling a kitchen and over 1000 screws to fix! My wrists wont take trying to do manually. For this sort of thing, I put a screwdriver bit into my SDS drill, which has a good low gear and excellent low speed control. (Not in hammer mode though;-) It's much faster than a battery screwdriver. For general screwdriving a drill designed for it would be just fine. The pukka small power screwdrivers can be quite useful for smaller jobs where space is limited. The impact Makita TD020D does both jobs - but was yesterday's must have as I've not seen them on sale recently. -- *If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with battery? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:26:24 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:
You'll need to know if they are NiCds or NiMH. Not really provided you take care over the charging. I have an old 3 Sub-C cell one, and that uses NiCds, which I have replaced once or twice. They've got harder to find, but I really like that screwdriver - much nicer than anything newer that I've played with. Same here ancient B&D straight screwdriver, damn excellent bit of kit. Recelled twice now, last time with NiMH. It's the primative (even for NiCds) charger that lets it down and kills the cells. I must build a decent charger for it. Though just remembering to only charge for at most 24hrs at a time and not to leave it in the de-powered charger bracket works well enough. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 15/12/2011 15:06, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:18:32 -0000, "Paul D Smith" wrote: wrote in message ... I have a Bosch rechargeable (old) battery gone dead. Bosch PSR 2.4 v Other nos on label 511 0 603 927 028 The battery looks similar to a D ?? battery but like 2 joined together in a cardboard sleeve inside the screwdriver. Any ideas of an equiv or where they can be sourced. Does the Bosch website not have recommendations? I got the contact for the B&D "repair people" and their website had lots of spare parts, including replacement batteries for my own screwdriver. possibly a little more pricey than sourcing yourself but "time is money". It's probably cheaper to buy an whole new drill/driver. As I needed one urgently I went to screwfix for a £22 cheapo, out of stock so nipped in to B&Q and got one for £14, ideal for what I want and probably cheaper than batteries for the old one, I dont use them often so should last a few years. thanks to all for the replies. Much appreciated. |
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"Dave Liquorice" writes: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:26:24 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote: You'll need to know if they are NiCds or NiMH. Not really provided you take care over the charging. I have an old 3 Sub-C cell one, and that uses NiCds, which I have replaced once or twice. They've got harder to find, but I really like that screwdriver - much nicer than anything newer that I've played with. Same here ancient B&D straight screwdriver, damn excellent bit of kit. Recelled twice now, last time with NiMH. It's the primative (even for NiCds) charger that lets it down and kills the cells. I must build a decent charger for it. Though just remembering to only charge for at most 24hrs at a time and not to leave it in the de-powered charger bracket works well enough. I think we have exactly the same one! It's got a very clever automatic spindle lock built into the tail end of the gearbox (which I didn't actually appreciate until I had the gearbox in pieces one day). If the motor is driving the bit (in either direction), it rotates freely. If the bit it trying to drive the gearbox (as happens if you try using it as a manual screwdriver), it instantly locks the bit solid. It has a set of rollers in something which looks a bit like a minature wankel engine, relying on the rollers jamming or not, to engage or disengage the locking of the bit to the case. It was a bugger to reassemble. I initially gave up, being unable to see what that part did. Then I found I couldn't use it as a manual screwdriver as it tended to cause the motor to spin instead. Took it all apart again, and with much difficulty, managed to get all the rods back in place, and it was working again. I'm sure that locking mechanism must have a name, and probably a patent too. Charger is just an AC wall wart, with a half-wave rectifying diode in the holder which makes contact with the charging contacts. Amazingly, I have actually got long life and lots of use out of each set of batteries. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:44:11 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:
I think we have exactly the same one! B&D 9019 It's got a very clever automatic spindle lock built into the tail end of the gearbox ISTR having a bit of fun getting it all back together as well. Charger is just an AC wall wart, with a half-wave rectifying diode in the holder which makes contact with the charging contacts. That sums it up, the charge rate is almost but not quite "safe" but if you switch the power off the leakage is enough to drain things over a month. NiCds don't like that... -- Cheers Dave. |
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writes In article o.uk, "Dave Liquorice" writes: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:26:24 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote: You'll need to know if they are NiCds or NiMH. Not really provided you take care over the charging. I have an old 3 Sub-C cell one, and that uses NiCds, which I have replaced once or twice. They've got harder to find, but I really like that screwdriver - much nicer than anything newer that I've played with. Same here ancient B&D straight screwdriver, damn excellent bit of kit. Recelled twice now, last time with NiMH. It's the primative (even for NiCds) charger that lets it down and kills the cells. I must build a decent charger for it. Though just remembering to only charge for at most 24hrs at a time and not to leave it in the de-powered charger bracket works well enough. I think we have exactly the same one! It's got a very clever automatic spindle lock built into the tail end of the gearbox (which I didn't actually appreciate until I had the gearbox in pieces one day). If the motor is driving the bit (in either direction), it rotates freely. If the bit it trying to drive the gearbox (as happens if you try using it as a manual screwdriver), it instantly locks the bit solid. It has a set of rollers in something which looks a bit like a minature wankel engine, relying on the rollers jamming or not, to engage or disengage the locking of the bit to the case. It was a bugger to reassemble. I initially gave up, being unable to see what that part did. Then I found I couldn't use it as a manual screwdriver as it tended to cause the motor to spin instead. Took it all apart again, and with much difficulty, managed to get all the rods back in place, and it was working again. I'm sure that locking mechanism must have a name, and probably a patent too. Sounds like a sprag clutch variant. Charger is just an AC wall wart, with a half-wave rectifying diode in the holder which makes contact with the charging contacts. Amazingly, I have actually got long life and lots of use out of each set of batteries. regards -- Tim Lamb |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:39:32 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote: I'm sure that locking mechanism must have a name, and probably a patent too. Sounds like a sprag clutch variant. Yep. |
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Tim Lamb writes: In message , Andrew Gabriel writes I think we have exactly the same one! It's got a very clever automatic spindle lock built into the tail end of the gearbox (which I didn't actually appreciate until I had the gearbox in pieces one day). If the motor is driving the bit (in either direction), it rotates freely. If the bit it trying to drive the gearbox (as happens if you try using it as a manual screwdriver), it instantly locks the bit solid. It has a set of rollers in something which looks a bit like a minature wankel engine, relying on the rollers jamming or not, to engage or disengage the locking of the bit to the case. It was a bugger to reassemble. I initially gave up, being unable to see what that part did. Then I found I couldn't use it as a manual screwdriver as it tended to cause the motor to spin instead. Took it all apart again, and with much difficulty, managed to get all the rods back in place, and it was working again. I'm sure that locking mechanism must have a name, and probably a patent too. Sounds like a sprag clutch variant. [googles] possibly, but most of the descriptions of sprag clutches definitely don't match. I found just one which does: http://www.industrialmagza.com/pdf/F...54-057-MGZ.pdf although the mechanics of how it works are not the same. So it's a bidirectional back-stopping clutch. You can drive power through it either clockwise or anti-clockwise from one side, but it instantly locks solid if you try to drive power (clockwise or anti-clockwise) through it in the other direction. Most of the sprag clutch descriptions talk about freewheeling, and this one doesn't do that in any mode. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Tim Lamb writes: In message , Andrew Gabriel writes I think we have exactly the same one! It's got a very clever automatic spindle lock built into the tail end of the gearbox (which I didn't actually appreciate until I had the gearbox in pieces one day). If the motor is driving the bit (in either direction), it rotates freely. If the bit it trying to drive the gearbox (as happens if you try using it as a manual screwdriver), it instantly locks the bit solid. It has a set of rollers in something which looks a bit like a minature wankel engine, relying on the rollers jamming or not, to engage or disengage the locking of the bit to the case. It was a bugger to reassemble. I initially gave up, being unable to see what that part did. Then I found I couldn't use it as a manual screwdriver as it tended to cause the motor to spin instead. Took it all apart again, and with much difficulty, managed to get all the rods back in place, and it was working again. I'm sure that locking mechanism must have a name, and probably a patent too. Sounds like a sprag clutch variant. [googles] possibly, but most of the descriptions of sprag clutches definitely don't match. I found just one which does: http://www.industrialmagza.com/pdf/F...54-057-MGZ.pdf although the mechanics of how it works are not the same. So it's a bidirectional back-stopping clutch. You can drive power through it either clockwise or anti-clockwise from one side, but it instantly locks solid if you try to drive power (clockwise or anti-clockwise) through it in the other direction. Most of the sprag clutch descriptions talk about freewheeling, and this one doesn't do that in any mode. That's correct. I built a basic sprag clutch out of Meccano years ago..fascinating - and that was a free wheeler, but a double sprag clutch becomes a unidirectional torque transfer device. (Its a sad day when my dictionary for the spill chucker doesn't feature either sprag, or Meccano..or indeed chucker :-)) |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: (Its a sad day when my dictionary for the spill chucker doesn't feature either sprag, or Meccano..or indeed chucker :-)) The checker on this RISC OS machine includes the first two. But then it is an English one. ;-) -- *Why isn't there a special name for the back of your knee? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: (Its a sad day when my dictionary for the spill chucker doesn't feature either sprag, or Meccano..or indeed chucker :-)) The checker on this RISC OS machine includes the first two. But then it is an English one. ;-) I guess this is Mozillas 'English English dictionary' Or maybe it taps into some Linux one.. Hmm I don't actually KNOW. |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:31:51 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: (Its a sad day when my dictionary for the spill chucker doesn't feature either sprag, or Meccano..or indeed chucker :-)) The checker on this RISC OS machine includes the first two. But then it is an English one. ;-) I guess this is Mozillas 'English English dictionary' Or maybe it taps into some Linux one.. Hmm I don't actually KNOW. Guarantee it is better than IE's spelling checker. :-) -- Rod |
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On 23/12/11 00:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: (Its a sad day when my dictionary for the spill chucker doesn't feature either sprag, or Meccano..or indeed chucker :-)) The checker on this RISC OS machine includes the first two. But then it is an English one. ;-) I guess this is Mozillas 'English English dictionary' Or maybe it taps into some Linux one.. Hmm I don't actually KNOW. Could be the default US dictionary. Check tools:add-ons:languages for the en-GB language pack. also https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/british-english-dictionary/ -- djc |
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