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I'm thinking about some AV / coax / ethernet cabling into the far
corner of my kitchen, where it might
be useful to connect up various things.
Options:
1. worktop cable outlet (useful for some things, like a TV sitting on
the work surface)
2. various wall plates - OK but difficult to future proof. Need at
least 3 x cat6 (can take HMDI also), 2 x coax, some audio cables, etc,
etc.
3. Some type of big modular wall plate that can be customized with
snap-in modules in the future.
4. A tidy cable duct outlet in the wall. Could push cables up behind
plasterboard and out of the wall, to, for example, a drop-down screen.
Cable would have to exit upwards to repect minimum bend radius etc.

1. is easily available and might be included anyway.
2. Takes a lot of space and not future-proof.
3. Anyone know of such a thing ?
4. Anyone know of such a thing ?

Cheers,
Simon.


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I'm thinking about some AV / coax / ethernet cabling into the far
corner of my kitchen, where it might
be useful to connect up various things.
Options:
1. worktop cable outlet (useful for some things, like a TV sitting on
the work surface)
2. various wall plates - OK but difficult to future proof. Need at
least 3 x cat6 (can take HMDI also), 2 x coax, some audio cables, etc,
etc.
3. Some type of big modular wall plate that can be customized with
snap-in modules in the future.
4. A tidy cable duct outlet in the wall. Could push cables up behind
plasterboard and out of the wall, to, for example, a drop-down screen.
Cable would have to exit upwards to repect minimum bend radius etc.


Option one sounds to be the easiest and most sensible if you are not sure of
future use at this point: a work surface television should have or could
have Freeview HD built in which, if satellite was not important to you,
would reduce the need for cabling including possibly audio cabling to just a
standard aerial cable.

I've tended to just replace standard size wall plates with new standard size
wall plates when wanting to upgrade an ethernet or aerial socket.

I recently blanked off three ethernet sockets for a friend because they
haven't been used - wireless technology isn't perfect but has come a long
way. The cable wasn't cheap and iirc cost twice as much more than the
wireless router :-o

Never seen a tidy cable duct.

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sm_jamieson wrote:

2. various wall plates - OK but difficult to future proof. Need at
least 3 x cat6 (can take HMDI also), 2 x coax, some audio cables, etc,
etc.
3. Some type of big modular wall plate that can be customized with
snap-in modules in the future.


Mixture of both:

I have sunk extra back boxes above most of my sockets with seperate conduit
runs. The boxes are mostly singles, with the odd double.

I plan to use Euromod type faceplaces into which you can snap pretty much a
module for anything that exists[1]. Euromod should be pretty furture proof -
and if not, there *will* always be a standard faceplate with some sort of
modular option.

[1] I've seen everthing- VGA, sat, aerial, network, fibre optic, louspeaker
to name a few.

I would avoid the "mega custom" modular plates, especially the combined 13A
socket + ELV ones. They are too custom and I personally like a bit of
plaster at least between my mains and ELV stuff.

Cheers,

Tim

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Tim Watts wrote:

sm_jamieson wrote:

2. various wall plates - OK but difficult to future proof. Need at
least 3 x cat6 (can take HMDI also), 2 x coax, some audio cables, etc,
etc.
3. Some type of big modular wall plate that can be customized with
snap-in modules in the future.


Mixture of both:

I have sunk extra back boxes above most of my sockets with seperate
conduit runs. The boxes are mostly singles, with the odd double.

I plan to use Euromod type faceplaces into which you can snap pretty much
a module for anything that exists[1]. Euromod should be pretty furture
proof - and if not, there *will* always be a standard faceplate with some
sort of modular option.

[1] I've seen everthing- VGA, sat, aerial, network, fibre optic,
[louspeaker
to name a few.

I would avoid the "mega custom" modular plates, especially the combined
13A socket + ELV ones. They are too custom and I personally like a bit of
plaster at least between my mains and ELV stuff.

Cheers,

Tim


That wasn't clear... Use modular as 3) but use standard plate sizes as 2). A
double plate takes 4 modules.

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On Jun 10, 6:51*am, "Gareth" wrote:
"sm_jamieson" *wrote in message

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I'm thinking about some AV / coax / ethernet cabling into the far
corner of my kitchen, where it might
be useful to connect up various things.
Options:
1. worktop cable outlet (useful for some things, like a TV sitting on
the work surface)
2. various wall plates - OK but difficult to future proof. Need at
least 3 x cat6 (can take HMDI also), 2 x coax, some audio cables, etc,
etc.
3. Some type of big modular wall plate that can be customized with
snap-in modules in the future.
4. A tidy cable duct outlet in the wall. Could push cables up behind
plasterboard and out of the wall, to, for example, a drop-down screen.
Cable would have to exit upwards to repect minimum bend radius etc.


Option one sounds to be the easiest and most sensible if you are not sure of
future use at this point: a work surface television should have or could
have Freeview HD built in which, if satellite was not important to you,
would reduce the need for cabling including possibly audio cabling to just a
standard aerial cable.

I've tended to just replace standard size wall plates with new standard size
wall plates when wanting to upgrade an ethernet or aerial socket.

I recently blanked off three ethernet sockets for a friend because they
haven't been used - wireless technology isn't perfect but has come a long
way. The cable wasn't cheap and iirc cost twice as much more than the
wireless router :-o

Never seen a tidy cable duct.


I was imagining something that looked like a small upside-down
ventilation cowl, just under the wall cabinets, so the cables would
exit from this upwards in a fairly tidy manner, and the "hole" in the
wall would be hidden from any likely viewpoint.
Simon.



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On Jun 10, 8:03*am, Tim Watts wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
sm_jamieson wrote:


2. various wall plates - OK but difficult to future proof. Need at
least 3 x cat6 (can take HMDI also), 2 x coax, some audio cables, etc,
etc.
3. Some type of big modular wall plate that can be customized with
snap-in modules in the future.


Mixture of both:


I have sunk extra back boxes above most of my sockets with seperate
conduit runs. The boxes are mostly singles, with the odd double.


I plan to use Euromod type faceplaces into which you can snap pretty much
a module for anything that exists[1]. Euromod should be pretty furture
proof - and if not, there *will* always be a standard faceplate with some
sort of modular option.


[1] I've seen everthing- VGA, sat, aerial, network, fibre optic,
[louspeaker
to name a few.


I would avoid the "mega custom" modular plates, especially the combined
13A socket + ELV ones. They are too custom and I personally like a bit of
plaster at least between my mains and ELV stuff.


Cheers,


Tim


That wasn't clear... Use modular as 3) but use standard plate sizes as 2).. A
double plate takes 4 modules.

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Euromod sounds interesting.

To repeat what I just wrote in response to Gareth,
for the cable duct outlet in the wall:

I was imagining something that looked like a small upside-down
ventilation cowl, just under the wall cabinets, so the cables would
exit from this upwards in a fairly tidy manner, and the "hole" in the
wall would be hidden from any likely viewpoint.

I still think that sounds intriguing.

Simon.
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Gareth wrote:
Option one sounds to be the easiest and most sensible if you are not
sure of future use at this point: a work surface television should have
or could have Freeview HD built in which, if satellite was not
important to you, would reduce the need for cabling including possibly
audio cabling to just a standard aerial cable.


I'm glad I ran in SCART cabling from living room to kitchen - initially so
I could watch recorded stuff in the kitchen. But it proves handy on live
stuff too - use the same FreeView tuner and you don't hear that annoying
sound delay between two different ones.

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On Jun 10, 12:46*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
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* *Gareth wrote:

Option one sounds to be the easiest and most sensible if you are not
sure of future use at this point: a work surface television should have
or could have Freeview HD built in which, if satellite was not
important to you, would reduce the need for cabling including possibly
audio cabling to just a standard aerial cable.


I'm glad I ran in SCART cabling from living room to kitchen - initially so
I could watch recorded stuff in the kitchen. But it proves handy on live
stuff too - use the same FreeView tuner and you don't hear that annoying
sound delay between two different ones.

What is the max length of scart cable. Its quite thick bulky stuff.
Expensive ?
For the future, HDMI over cat6 cable seems to be the thing.
Simon.
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On Jun 9, 11:23*pm, sm_jamieson wrote:
I'm thinking about some AV / coax / ethernet cabling into the far
corner of my kitchen, where it might
be useful to connect up various things.
Options:
1. worktop cable outlet (useful for some things, like a TV sitting on
the work surface)
2. various wall plates - OK but difficult to future proof. Need at
least 3 x cat6 (can take HMDI also), 2 x coax, some audio cables, etc,
etc.
3. Some type of big modular wall plate that can be customized with
snap-in modules in the future.
4. A tidy cable duct outlet in the wall. Could push cables up behind
plasterboard and out of the wall, to, for example, a drop-down screen.
Cable would have to exit upwards to repect minimum bend radius etc.

1. is easily available and might be included anyway.
2. Takes a lot of space and not future-proof.
3. Anyone know of such a thing ?
4. Anyone know of such a thing ?

Cheers,
Simon.


I like standard mains accessory blanking plates. You can drill and
mount whatever you want almost as densely as you want. Pretty
essential to mark up properly and take steps to ensure the drill
doesnt wander, you dont want it looking a bodge. Layout the desired
sockets on a grid matrix. The plate can be replaced any time in future
for a new connector layout. The one downside is its not a quick snap-
in solution. And if using a drlll press, its easy to apply too much
pressure.


NT
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sm_jamieson wrote:
I'm glad I ran in SCART cabling from living room to kitchen -
initially so I could watch recorded stuff in the kitchen. But it
proves handy on live stuff too - use the same FreeView tuner and you
don't hear that annoying sound delay between two different ones.

What is the max length of scart cable. Its quite thick bulky stuff.
Expensive ?


Mine is about 40 ft with no problems.

For the future, HDMI over cat6 cable seems to be the thing.
Simon.


HDMI wasn't really around when I installed this.

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