New beeny series of "help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
sm_jamieson wrote:

New beeny series of "help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has just
returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.
--
Davey.

On Jun 9, 3:04*pm, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)

sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of *"help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has just
returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.
--
Davey.

Oh, sorry. Used to be common currency in this group.
beeny = Sarah Beeny, who is apparently an angle-grinding man's
crumpet.
A TV presenter who does actually know a bit about construction /
renovation as she has actually done some !
Simon.

On Jun 9, 3:11*pm, sm_jamieson wrote:
On Jun 9, 3:04*pm, Davey wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)

sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of *"help my house is falling down" starts tonight..
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has just
returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.
--
Davey.

Oh, sorry. Used to be common currency in this group.
beeny = Sarah Beeny, who is apparently an angle-grinding man's
crumpet.

Much over rated.

MBQ

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:11:34 -0700 (PDT)
sm_jamieson wrote:

On Jun 9, 3:04Â*pm, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)

sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of Â*"help my house is falling down" starts
tonight. First series was quite informative - hopefully not
swamped by boring human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has
just returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.
--
Davey.

Oh, sorry. Used to be common currency in this group.
beeny = Sarah Beeny, who is apparently an angle-grinding man's
crumpet.
A TV presenter who does actually know a bit about construction /
renovation as she has actually done some !
Simon.

Sounds a bit like the assistant to Tim Taylor in US's "Home
Improvement".
--
Davey.

On Jun 9, 3:30*pm, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:11:34 -0700 (PDT)



sm_jamieson wrote:
On Jun 9, 3:04*pm, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)

sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of *"help my house is falling down" starts
tonight. First series was quite informative - hopefully not
swamped by boring human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has
just returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.
--
Davey.

Oh, sorry. Used to be common currency in this group.
beeny = Sarah Beeny, who is apparently an angle-grinding man's
crumpet.
A TV presenter who does actually know a bit about construction /
renovation as she has actually done some !
Simon.

Sounds a bit like the assistant to Tim Taylor in US's "Home
Improvement".
--
Davey.

Oh no, she is very much the boss ;-)
Simon.

sm_jamieson wrote:
beeny = Sarah Beeny, who is apparently an angle-grinding man's
crumpet.
A TV presenter who does actually know a bit about construction /
renovation as she has actually done some !

....and seems to be permanantly pregnant.

JGH

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
sm_jamieson wrote:

On Jun 9, 3:30Â*pm, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:11:34 -0700 (PDT)



sm_jamieson wrote:
On Jun 9, 3:04Â*pm, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)

sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of Â*"help my house is falling down" starts
tonight. First series was quite informative - hopefully not
swamped by boring human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has
just returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.
--
Davey.

Oh, sorry. Used to be common currency in this group.
beeny = Sarah Beeny, who is apparently an angle-grinding man's
crumpet.
A TV presenter who does actually know a bit about construction /
renovation as she has actually done some !
Simon.

Sounds a bit like the assistant to Tim Taylor in US's "Home
Improvement".
--
Davey.

Oh no, she is very much the boss ;-)
Simon.

SWMBO with a hammer and a nailgun. Ouch.
--
Davey.

On Jun 9, 3:40*pm, jgharston wrote:
sm_jamieson wrote:
beeny = Sarah Beeny, who is apparently an angle-grinding man's
crumpet.
A TV presenter who does actually know a bit about construction /
renovation as she has actually done some !

...and seems to be permanantly pregnant.

JGH

There was a series about her renovating her own house. The builder
said to her husband something like "If you could make your mind up as
quickly as you have babies ..."

Davey wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
sm_jamieson wrote:

New beeny series of "help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has just
returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.

She's got big tits and can plaster.

Nuff said?
--
Tim Watts

In article , Tim Watts
writes
Davey wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
sm_jamieson wrote:

New beeny series of "help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has just
returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.

She's got big tits and can plaster.

It was a piece of cake after the makeup ;-)
--
fred
FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ********

On Jun 9, 4:36*pm, Tim Watts wrote:
Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
sm_jamieson wrote:

New beeny series of *"help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has just
returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.

She's got big tits and can plaster.

Somewhere soft to rest the elbow when working at head height ?
Simon.

"sm_jamieson" wrote in message
...
On Jun 9, 3:30 pm, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:11:34 -0700 (PDT)



sm_jamieson wrote:
On Jun 9, 3:04 pm, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)

sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of "help my house is falling down" starts
tonight. First series was quite informative - hopefully not
swamped by boring human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has
just returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.
--
Davey.

Oh, sorry. Used to be common currency in this group.
beeny = Sarah Beeny, who is apparently an angle-grinding man's
crumpet.
A TV presenter who does actually know a bit about construction /
renovation as she has actually done some !
Simon.

Sounds a bit like the assistant to Tim Taylor in US's "Home
Improvement".
--
Davey.

Oh no, she is very much the boss ;-)

Yes, as is Kirsty Young

On 09/06/2011 15:01, sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of "help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Just caught part of it (SWMBO is watching). Fixed a roof with a prop
from ridge to ceiling to stop it spreading. Only after the demo at the
building centre did they mention in passing that it was quite important
that the prop should go onto a supporting wall. I was imaging the
entire roof weight going onto the ceiling joists.

Andy

On Jun 9, 8:53*pm, Andy Champ wrote:
On 09/06/2011 15:01, sm_jamieson wrote:

New beeny series of *"help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Just caught part of it (SWMBO is watching). *Fixed a roof with a prop
from ridge to ceiling to stop it spreading. *Only after the demo at the
building centre did they mention in passing that it was quite important
that the prop should go onto a supporting wall. *I was imaging the
entire roof weight going onto the ceiling joists.

Andy

Yep, I thought that. Houses like that usually have a spine wall
holding up the ridge.
But as always, so many questions are not answered. Arrrhhhh !

What was all that brickwork they had to clamber over in the roof ?
Chimneys ? It looked rather like that
should have extended to the ridge and would have supported the ridge.
Seemed to be 2 such walls in the loft, but
not sure how they would relate to the house structure beneath.

Was that house on the left hand side part of their property - probably
not.

What did the other 3 big downstairs rooms look like ?

I also wondered where the original kitchen would have been since there
did not seem a place for it.
In one of the back rooms ?

Simon.

In message , Davey
writes
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
sm_jamieson wrote:

New beeny series of "help my house is falling down" starts tonight.
First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !
Simon.

Would you please explain that first sentence to somebody who has just
returned to the UK after many years abroad?
Thank you.

Burd with big tits who knows one end of a drill from the other has
another series

Will she make it to the end without getting pregnant again



--
geoff

sm_jamieson wrote:

New beeny series of "help my house is falling down" starts tonight.

Started watching it partway through, didn't immediately recognise the
house, but then one of the overall wide street shots they used into an
ad-break looked very familiar, I thought "that's Narborough" and when I
checked the EPG, yes it was

First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !

It was a bit "doom and gloom, could cost 10's of thousands to fix" most
of which turned into "you can fix that yourself in a day" or "you can
get someone in to fix that in a day", not bad, but not earth-shattering.

On Jun 9, 10:06*pm, Andy Burns wrote:
sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of *"help my house is falling down" starts tonight.

Started watching it partway through, didn't immediately recognise the
house, but then one of the overall wide street shots they used into an
ad-break looked very familiar, I thought "that's Narborough" and when I
checked the EPG, yes it was

First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !

It was a bit "doom and gloom, could cost 10's of thousands to fix" most
of which turned into "you can fix that yourself in a day" or "you can
get someone in to fix that in a day", not bad, but not earth-shattering.

I thought the advice to replace the whole roof very poor. As she soon
admitted, a bit of woodwork sorted it out.


NT

I walked around my place afterwards, wincing at every tiny crack between
walls and ceiling.

I also winced at some of the moronic questions thrown at the unfortunate
couple. "Is that the sort of cost you were expecting?" "Did you ever think
that something like this might happen?" And of course the ever-popular "How
do you feel about that?"

Mind you, the stupidity wasn't all on one side. Did they really buy a
property that size and that age without having a decent survey (or indeed a
survey at all)? And wouldn't it have been a useful thing for the programme
to have pointed out the value of doing so?

Bert

On Jun 9, 10:15*pm, Tabby wrote:
On Jun 9, 10:06*pm, Andy Burns wrote:

sm_jamieson wrote:
New beeny series of *"help my house is falling down" starts tonight..

Started watching it partway through, didn't immediately recognise the
house, but then one of the overall wide street shots they used into an
ad-break looked very familiar, I thought "that's Narborough" and when I
checked the EPG, yes it was

First series was quite informative - hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !

It was a bit "doom and gloom, could cost 10's of thousands to fix" most
of which turned into "you can fix that yourself in a day" or "you can
get someone in to fix that in a day", not bad, but not earth-shattering..

I thought the advice to replace the whole roof very poor. As she soon
admitted, a bit of woodwork sorted it out.

NT

Full of alarmist nonsense. Another one was £5000 to fix the mouldy
wall after the drains were done, which magically turned into a £50
kit. Personally I would have left it to dry completely and cleaned up
with bleach.

MBQ

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
news
I walked around my place afterwards, wincing at every tiny crack between
walls and ceiling.

I also winced at some of the moronic questions thrown at the unfortunate
couple. "Is that the sort of cost you were expecting?" "Did you ever
think that something like this might happen?" And of course the
ever-popular "How do you feel about that?"

Mind you, the stupidity wasn't all on one side. Did they really buy a
property that size and that age without having a decent survey (or indeed
a survey at all)? And wouldn't it have been a useful thing for the
programme to have pointed out the value of doing so?

That assumes the survey will actually tell you about those things.
Most surveys will just say "not inspected due to lack of access" or some
such thing.

The really interesting question has already been asked.. who took the roof's
supporting walls down in the first place?

Bert Coules wrote:

Mind you, the stupidity wasn't all on one side. Did they really buy a
property that size and that age without having a decent survey (or indeed a
survey at all)? And wouldn't it have been a useful thing for the programme
to have pointed out the value of doing so?

If they paid £275k, then they got a cheap house. 1960's 3 bed semis are
£150k+ in the area.
At the price they paid, they should know there are going to be problems
with it.
Alan.

--
To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'.

A.Lee wrote:

At the price they paid, they should know there are going to be problems
with it.

A fair point, but the programme made it quite clear that they *didn't* know.
Of course, if they had, there would have been no programme...

Bert

On Jun 9, 3:01*pm, sm_jamieson wrote:
- hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !


Hope springs eternal. There was far too much:

Beeny: There's this problem which in the worst case could cost more
than you've got to fix. How does that make you feel?
Punter: Terrible

Occasionally the question would be "were you expecting that?" with the
amazing answer of "No."

On the other hand I was surprised how much damp was caused by drains
leaking underground - and how much subsidence.

On Jun 10, 11:44*am, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Bert Coules" wrote in message
Mind you, the stupidity wasn't all on one side. *Did they really buy a
property that size and that age without having a decent survey (or indeed
a survey at all)? *And wouldn't it have been a useful thing for the
programme to have pointed out the value of doing so?

I keep being surprised at how rarely they say "get a proper survey
when buying a house".

That assumes the survey will actually tell you about those things.
Most surveys will just say "not inspected due to lack of access" or some
such thing.

That is not my experience. Provided you get a proper £1000 survey, it
would have spotted almost all the problems with that house. It
wouldn't have spotted the blocked/cracked/leaking drain, but it would
have spotted the effects (mold, bowing wall), and recommended a drain
survey.

Martin Bonner wrote:
On Jun 10, 11:44 am, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Bert Coules" wrote in message
Mind you, the stupidity wasn't all on one side. Did they really buy a
property that size and that age without having a decent survey (or indeed
a survey at all)? And wouldn't it have been a useful thing for the
programme to have pointed out the value of doing so?

I keep being surprised at how rarely they say "get a proper survey
when buying a house".

Possibly because, IME in the last few months, when you're thinking of
buying a house, *every* professional involved in the sale will tell you
to get a full survey. I'm currently working through the process of
selling and buying....

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article ,
Bert Coules wrote:
A.Lee wrote:

At the price they paid, they should know there are going to be problems
with it.

A fair point, but the programme made it quite clear that they *didn't* know.
Of course, if they had, there would have been no programme...

The woman did say IIRC that it had been surprisingly cheap for the size.
Should have rung warning bells straight away ! But I'm surprised they
didn't spot the damp and mould on viewing.

I'm not sure I shall bother to watch the rest of the series. Beeney's
stupid questions about "how does that make you feel" were extremely
irritating, not to mention as everyone else has said that everything was
blown up to a sense of high drama. OK this is BBC3 which is dumbed-down
TV, but still - it was nearly as bad as that programme she did recently
on pest infestations (which, mercifully, I also only saw one episode of).

I see in next week's trailer that she reduces some woman to tears over
fire risks. Will definitely give that one a miss. Stick to the practical
bits, Sarah, you just come across as winding them up otherwise !

Nick
--
Serendipity: http://www.leverton.org/blosxom (last update 29th March 2010)
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996

On Jun 10, 1:17*pm, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Jun 9, 3:01*pm, sm_jamieson wrote:

- hopefully not swamped by boring
human "interest" stuff in this series !

Hope springs eternal. *There was far too much:

Beeny: There's this problem which in the worst case could cost more
than you've got to fix. *How does that make you feel?
Punter: Terrible

Occasionally the question would be "were you expecting that?" with the
amazing answer of "No."

On the other hand I was surprised how much damp was caused by drains
leaking underground - and how much subsidence.

The severe damp surely wasnt caused by that. I dont remember her
finding the cause - I thought a look at the roof would be the first
place to start.


NT

Nick Leverton wrote:

But I'm surprised they
didn't spot the damp and mould on viewing.

It's a matter of fairly constant discussion in the industry as to just how
real these "reality TV" programmes actually are (or should be). For all we
know, they distraught couple might well have gone into the purchase with
completely open eyes, thinking "what a great chance to get on TV, garner
some free advice and an equally free survey, and very probably get more and
better work done than we could arrange for ourselves".

Bert

On Jun 10, 11:44*am, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Bert Coules" wrote in message

news
I walked around my place afterwards, wincing at every tiny crack between
walls and ceiling.

I also winced at some of the moronic questions thrown at the unfortunate
couple. *"Is that the sort of cost you were expecting?" *"Did you ever
think that something like this might happen?" *And of course the
ever-popular "How do you feel about that?"

Mind you, the stupidity wasn't all on one side. *Did they really buy a
property that size and that age without having a decent survey (or indeed
a survey at all)? *And wouldn't it have been a useful thing for the
programme to have pointed out the value of doing so?

That assumes the survey will actually tell you about those things.
Most surveys will just say "not inspected due to lack of access" or some
such thing.

They aren't proper surveys, they are valuation reports for the
mortgage company and worth less than you pay fro them.

MBQ

Huge wrote:

It's a matter of fairly constant discussion in the industry as to just
how
real these "reality TV" programmes actually are (or should be).

..."Not even remotely".

Exactly. This show, like Grand Designs, is rather more drama than
documentary.

Bert

On Jun 10, 1:24*pm, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Jun 10, 11:44*am, "dennis@home"
wrote:

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
Mind you, the stupidity wasn't all on one side. *Did they really buy a
property that size and that age without having a decent survey (or indeed
a survey at all)? *And wouldn't it have been a useful thing for the
programme to have pointed out the value of doing so?

I keep being surprised at how rarely they say "get a proper survey
when buying a house".

That assumes the survey will actually tell you about those things.
Most surveys will just say "not inspected due to lack of access" or some
such thing.

That is not my experience. *Provided you get a proper £1000 survey, it
would have spotted almost all the problems with that house. *It
wouldn't have spotted the blocked/cracked/leaking drain, but it would
have spotted the effects (mold, bowing wall), and recommended a drain
survey.

I'm sure most of us DIYers could do just as good a job as a
"professional" surveyor.
Certainly all the problems seen in the program could have been
spotted.
The drains could have been guessed even without a camera.
The bow in the wall could have been seen a mile off, and the cracks
were rather obvious.
Simon.

[Default] On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:44:27 +0100, a certain chimpanzee,
"dennis@home" , randomly hit the
keyboard and wrote:

The really interesting question has already been asked.. who took the roof's
supporting walls down in the first place?

I think the Victorians never bothered putting them up in the first
place. The walls she clambered over looked to be there only to support
the purlins. At least they were 45-degrees; I've seen purlins propped
off a single stack of bricks.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have I strayed"?

On Jun 10, 8:56*pm, Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
[Default] On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:44:27 +0100, a certain chimpanzee,
"dennis@home" , randomly hit the

keyboard and wrote:
The really interesting question has already been asked.. who took the roof's
supporting walls down in the first place?

I think the Victorians never bothered putting them up in the first
place. The walls she clambered over looked to be there only to support
the purlins. At least they were 45-degrees; I've seen purlins propped
off a single stack of bricks.

There were no building regs in the Edwardian era, and issues happened.
I forget the stats offhand, but there are a significant percentage of
properties from the time that have problems. So if buying Edwardian or
Victorian, its sensible to understand what you're getting and check
the basics out when buying.


NT

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:09:24 -0700, Tabby wrote:

On Jun 10, 8:56Â*pm, Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
[Default] On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:44:27 +0100, a certain chimpanzee,
"dennis@home" , randomly hit the

keyboard and wrote:
The really interesting question has already been asked.. who took the
roof's supporting walls down in the first place?

I think the Victorians never bothered putting them up in the first
place. The walls she clambered over looked to be there only to support
the purlins. At least they were 45-degrees; I've seen purlins propped
off a single stack of bricks.

There were no building regs in the Edwardian era, and issues happened. I
forget the stats offhand, but there are a significant percentage of
properties from the time that have problems. So if buying Edwardian or
Victorian, its sensible to understand what you're getting and check the
basics out when buying.

We have an Edwardian house, and the one problem we encountered was that
the original purlins (long roof, no intermediate supports) started
sagging after the previous owner replaced slate with ceement tiles.

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember geoff saying
something like:

Will she make it to the end without getting pregnant again

It was a bit of a relief to see she wasn't obviously up the duff again.
Still, early days yet, as you say.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Burns
saying something like:

It was a bit "doom and gloom, could cost 10's of thousands to fix" most
of which turned into "you can fix that yourself in a day" or "you can
get someone in to fix that in a day", not bad, but not earth-shattering.

I was intrigued by the magical properties of the screw wall-ties.
Apparently, you can drive these in to the end grain of joists and
magically stop the wall falling down - without anchoring the joists to
anything else internally.

Truly, 'tis sorcery.

In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
I was intrigued by the magical properties of the screw wall-ties.
Apparently, you can drive these in to the end grain of joists and
magically stop the wall falling down - without anchoring the joists to
anything else internally.

Struck me as being quite a difficult job to do - given nothing on that
house was square.

--
*Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Man at B&Q wrote:

Full of alarmist nonsense. Another one was £5000 to fix the mouldy
wall after the drains were done, which magically turned into a £50
kit. Personally I would have left it to dry completely and cleaned up
with bleach.

I didn't hear any mention of how the damp was supposed to have
been getting up past the DPC. What I did spot was that the
external down pipe, with hopper, seemed to run past the worst
corner. I wonder if any remedial work was done there?

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

I was intrigued by the magical properties of the screw wall-ties.
Apparently, you can drive these in to the end grain of joists and
magically stop the wall falling down - without anchoring the joists to
anything else internally.

And without checking whether the joists may be rotten ...

I remember older properties having rods inserted from wall to wall
within the ceilings, with those large round plates outside, and then
tightened (possibly while heated to use the power of contracting steel
to tighten them)

Is that still done?