Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space apprentice
to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm before and one of the
reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence to sack waste of space
apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take your
feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me that gets the
ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

You'll probably all be correct though.....

Anyway, he is going to tell his Dad about me.

[1] The last lot were firing nail guns at each other, knocking each other
off step ladders, poured a 100 litre dustbin full of water from the 5th
floor onto someone climbing up some scaffolding and all went home at 1pm
with 4pm written down on their timesheets. I managed to get rid of 3 of them
for gross misconduct.

--
Adam

In article ,
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take your
feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me that gets the
ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

I'd love to hear that it was non-verbal, and that you clipped him so
hard round the ear that he fell out the door.

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space apprentice
to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm before and one of the
reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence to sack waste of space
apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take your
feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me that gets
the ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

You told him that it was you that is responsible for ensuring he used the
safety gear supplied while at work, very politely.
And what you would do with him if you got fined or imprisoned under the H&S
act.

dennis@home wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space
apprentice to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm
before and one of the reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence
to sack waste of space apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take
your feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me
that gets the ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

You told him that it was you that is responsible for ensuring he used
the safety gear supplied while at work, very politely.
And what you would do with him if you got fined or imprisoned under
the H&S act.

Sitting in a van is NOT work.

--
Adam

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...


Sitting in a van is NOT work.

Hmm, it could be if you are travelling to or from work and he is on the
clock.

ARWadsworth wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space
apprentice to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm
before and one of the reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence
to sack waste of space apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take
your feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me
that gets the ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?
You told him that it was you that is responsible for ensuring he used
the safety gear supplied while at work, very politely.
And what you would do with him if you got fined or imprisoned under
the H&S act.

Sitting in a van is NOT work.

A vehicle provided by the company or its agent for the purposes of
travelling to or from a clocking on point to a place where work is to be
carried out is a place of work, and as such all Health and Safety at
work rules apply, as does the one about smoking in an enclosed
workplace, even if the vehicle is owned by the driver.

We are subject to this when we drive or are driven from our depot to a
hotel or other place where we wait to join the coach to drive it on long
trips. The driver of the car or van is working, and the passengers are
"available for work" under the Working Time Directive, and, in our case,
that is also what must be shown on the manual tachograph record for the
journey.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

In article , ARWadsworth
writes
Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space apprentice
to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm before and one of the
reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence to sack waste of space
apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take your
feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me that gets the
ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

Option 1:
"Are you looking for a slap?"
Option 2:
"Get out of the van"

You'll probably all be correct though.....

Any prizes?

Anyway, he is going to tell his Dad about me.

Ah, maybe option 3:
"Get out of the van whilst moving"

[1] The last lot were firing nail guns at each other, knocking each other
off step ladders, poured a 100 litre dustbin full of water from the 5th
floor onto someone climbing up some scaffolding and all went home at 1pm
with 4pm written down on their timesheets. I managed to get rid of 3 of them
for gross misconduct.

Do you invoice them per waster dispatched? Keep up the good work.
--
fred
FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ********

In article ,
ARWadsworth wrote:
You told him that it was you that is responsible for ensuring he used
the safety gear supplied while at work, very politely.
And what you would do with him if you got fined or imprisoned under
the H&S act.

Sitting in a van is NOT work.

If it is a works van and you're travelling to or from work I'd say it is.
And as the driver you are responsible for your passengers.

And since he is an apprentice and you the journeyman he should fooking
well do what he's told...

I know I'm old, but I'd have thought anyone lucky enough to get a proper
apprenticeship these days would up everyone's arse with gratitude.

--
*Filthy stinking rich -- well, two out of three ain't bad

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
ARWadsworth wrote:
You told him that it was you that is responsible for ensuring he
used the safety gear supplied while at work, very politely.
And what you would do with him if you got fined or imprisoned under
the H&S act.

Sitting in a van is NOT work.

If it is a works van and you're travelling to or from work I'd say it
is. And as the driver you are responsible for your passengers.

I had not put my keys into the ignition lock before I started my volley.

And since he is an apprentice and you the journeyman he should fooking
well do what he's told...

I know I'm old,

The correct word is experienced. You can argue that point if you want to:-)

but I'd have thought anyone lucky enough to get a
proper apprenticeship these days would up everyone's arse with
gratitude.

They think it is a God given gift.

--
Adam

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

I know I'm old, but I'd have thought anyone lucky enough to get a proper
apprenticeship these days would up everyone's arse with gratitude.


Thoughts like that are definitely showing that you are old Dave! :-)

Gratitude? HA!

--
Bill

In message , ARWadsworth
writes


Anyway, he is going to tell his Dad about me.

I wonder how old his dad is? A young guy I worked with made an
appointment to see his 6 year old lads teacher because she had told the
lad off in class, "he was only expressing himself" "it his right to say
what he wants" He firmly believed this, what ever happened to
respect? Now I'm sounding old. Oh heck............
--
Bill

On 19/04/2011 20:44, ARWadsworth wrote:
Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space apprentice
to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm before and one of the
reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence to sack waste of space
apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take your
feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me that gets the
ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

Did it include the word 'off'?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
ARWadsworth wrote:
You told him that it was you that is responsible for ensuring he used
the safety gear supplied while at work, very politely.
And what you would do with him if you got fined or imprisoned under
the H&S act.

Sitting in a van is NOT work.

If it is a works van and you're travelling to or from work I'd say it is.
And as the driver you are responsible for your passengers.

And since he is an apprentice and you the journeyman he should fooking
well do what he's told...

I know I'm old, but I'd have thought anyone lucky enough to get a proper
apprenticeship these days would up everyone's arse with gratitude.

Umm .. Dave, your getting on a bit, its not like I used to be anymore;!...

Dontcha know the young now have it firmly ingrained that the state owes
them a living, and that work is a bloody nuisance that keeps them from
playing which is what they really wanna do;(...


--
Tony Sayer

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In message , ARWadsworth
writes


Anyway, he is going to tell his Dad about me.

I wonder how old his dad is? A young guy I worked with made an
appointment to see his 6 year old lads teacher because she had told the
lad off in class, "he was only expressing himself" "it his right to say
what he wants" He firmly believed this, what ever happened to respect?
Now I'm sounding old. Oh heck............

Well the teacher was only expressing her self so he should understand that.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 07:43:33 +0100, tony sayer wrote:


Umm .. Dave, your getting on a bit, its not like I used to be anymore;!...

Dontcha know the young now have it firmly ingrained that the state owes
them a living, and that work is a bloody nuisance that keeps them from
playing which is what they really wanna do;(...


Well, when the State chooses to finance people to have babies, who have no
resources to support them in any way whatsoever, is it any surprise that is now
the received wisdom ? Time to replace rights with responsibilites, but it's not
going to happen any time soon and is probably too late anyway !

Andy C

On 19/04/2011 23:50, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 19/04/2011 20:44, ARWadsworth wrote:
Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space
apprentice
to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm before and one of the
reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence to sack waste of space
apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take your
feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me that
gets the
ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

Did it include the word 'off'?


In a way I feel sorry for these kids. They happen to have been born at
the tail end of an era where they could do no wrong and the state would
provide. The era we're now entering looks like being very different, and
they're too thick to realise it. In the current climate I'd set about
making myself useful to society just in case some future cash strapped
government introduces a cull.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:14:37 +0100, Andy Cap
wrote:



Well, when the State chooses to finance people to have babies, who have no
resources to support them in any way whatsoever,

Such families are made up of people with *votes* -that's the problem.

is it any surprise that is now
the received wisdom ? Time to replace rights with responsibilites, but it's not
going to happen any time soon and is probably too late anyway !


Derek G

In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
In a way I feel sorry for these kids. They happen to have been born at
the tail end of an era where they could do no wrong and the state would
provide. The era we're now entering looks like being very different, and
they're too thick to realise it. In the current climate I'd set about
making myself useful to society just in case some future cash strapped
government introduces a cull.

The state may have 'provided' but only to a very basic level. It's a
complete fallacy that a youngster could lead the good life without
working. Exist, maybe.

--
*The e-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:52:56 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The state may have 'provided' but only to a very basic level. It's a
complete fallacy that a youngster could lead the good life without
working. Exist, maybe.

Define "good life". ****ing it up against the wall every night or
slobbed out in front of the telly still at home with the parents is a
"good life" for many.

Then they get a kid or three and will have housing provided by the
state (Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit) as well as enough
cash for food via Income Support, Child Tax Credits etc.

The poverty trap is still very real and a great temptation. I know,
when I bust my ankle the other year the Incapacity Benefit and my PHI
payouts totaled almost as much as my normal earnings and I could sit
home and do nothing. The temptation to stay sat home was certainly
there. I've also experienced the work hard, earn more money but end
up with sod all extra in the bank overall as Tax Credits etc drop. I
suspect that may well happen again this last tax year.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Bill wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

I know I'm old, but I'd have thought anyone lucky enough to get a
proper apprenticeship these days would up everyone's arse with
gratitude.

Thoughts like that are definitely showing that you are old Dave! :-)

Gratitude? HA!

I had one apprentice who I decided to pay more than I legally had to and in
return I did not buy the safety boots etc that I was legally required to. He
could buy his own boots with the extra money and still be better off than
the other lads in his year. Of course he pulled a fast one and I got a
letter reminding me of my responsibilities. I dropped his wage to the legal
minimum and I also started to make him make his own way to and from work as
I am a *******.
I received a gobfull of his Dad saying I was using his son as cheap labour,
I did reply there was no chance of that and when Jack did take his hands out
of his pocket and do some work he was so slow and useless that he was
anything but cheap. Jack lasted another 2 weeks.

--
Adam

fred wrote:
In article , ARWadsworth
writes
Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space
apprentice to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm
before and one of the reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence
to sack waste of space apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take
your feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me
that gets the ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

Option 1:
"Are you looking for a slap?"
Option 2:
"Get out of the van"

You'll probably all be correct though.....

Any prizes?

Anyway, he is going to tell his Dad about me.

Ah, maybe option 3:
"Get out of the van whilst moving"

I was tempted to just go down the road and slam the brakes on.

[1] The last lot were firing nail guns at each other, knocking each
other off step ladders, poured a 100 litre dustbin full of water
from the 5th floor onto someone climbing up some scaffolding and all
went home at 1pm with 4pm written down on their timesheets. I
managed to get rid of 3 of them for gross misconduct.

Do you invoice them per waster dispatched? Keep up the good work.

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be able to
wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is going, but they have
rights and cannot just be fired even if they cannot do their job.

--
Adam

On Apr 20, 2:08*pm, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:
fred wrote:
In article , ARWadsworth
writes
Subbed out to another firm, and given a 2nd year waste of space
apprentice to work with (I can say I have worked for this firm
before and one of the reasons they use me is to gain enough evidence
to sack waste of space apprentices [1])

He got into my van and put his feet up on my dashboard. I said "take
your feet down put your seatbelt on please" and he replied "It's me
that gets the ticket so I what's your problem"

Anyone fancy a guess as to my reply:-)?

Option 1:
"Are you looking for a slap?"
Option 2:
"Get out of the van"

You'll probably all be correct though.....

Any prizes?

Anyway, he is going to tell his Dad about me.

Ah, maybe option 3:
"Get out of the van whilst moving"

I was tempted to just go down the road and slam the brakes on.

[1] *The last lot were firing nail guns at each other, knocking each
other off step ladders, poured a 100 litre dustbin full of water
from the 5th floor onto someone climbing up some scaffolding and all
went home at 1pm with 4pm written down on their timesheets. I
managed to get rid of 3 of them for gross misconduct.

Do you invoice them per waster dispatched? Keep up the good work.

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be able to
wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is going, but they have
rights and cannot just be fired even if they cannot do their job.

Isnt that the barmiest thing. The problems with employees are
precisely due to the laws we live under. And by god do we have
problems.


NT

On Apr 20, 10:41*am, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:52:56 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The state may have 'provided' but only to a very basic level. It's a
complete fallacy that a youngster could lead the good life without
working. Exist, maybe.

Define "good life". ****ing it up against the wall every night or
slobbed out in front of the telly still at home with the parents is a
"good life" for many.

Then they get a *kid or three and will have housing provided by the
state (Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit) as well as enough
cash for food via Income Support, Child Tax Credits etc.

The poverty trap is still very real and a great temptation. I know,
when I bust my ankle the other year the Incapacity Benefit and my PHI
payouts totaled almost as much as my normal earnings and I could sit
home and do nothing. The temptation to stay sat home was certainly
there. I've also experienced the work hard, earn more money but end
up with sod all extra in the bank overall as Tax Credits etc drop. I
suspect that may well happen again this last tax year.

The main thing that bothers me about beenfits is they're a good deal
higher than they need be. If claimaints got paid what they really need
to survive, plus a very small amount more, and gave them a book
showing how to eat on that much, there would be far less temptation to
be lazy about.


NT

Tabby gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be able
to wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is going, but
they have rights and cannot just be fired even if they cannot do their
job.

Isnt that the barmiest thing. The problems with employees are precisely
due to the laws we live under. And by god do we have problems.

Sounds like the problem is more due to the employer being unable to
properly manage their apprentices. If they were, then this cretin
would've had performance reviews, warnings, final warnings - and could
easily have been got rid of perfectly legitimately. Or had his arse
kicked until he shaped up, long before that final stage.

ARWadsworth wrote:
[1] The last lot were firing nail guns at each other ...
I managed to get rid of 3 of them for gross misconduct.

and the other for attempted murder?

Derek G. wrote:
Such families are made up of people with *votes* -that's the problem.

No, they are *electors*, but very few of them bother to be *voters*.
I once stood for election in Sheffield Brightside, 48% turnout!

ARWadsworth wrote:
I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be able to
wire up 2 way lighting?

I had this conversation with one of the kids on my electrical course
20 years ago regarding ceiling roses:

Him: So, I connect all the reds together and all the blacks together?
Me: No, you connect the incoming live to the switch feed, the
returning
switched live to the live feed to the light, the returning neutral to
the supply neutral.
Him: So...... I connect all the reds together....?

I later saw him working as a postman.

JGH

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...

Do you invoice them per waster dispatched? Keep up the good work.

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be able to
wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is going, but they
have rights and cannot just be fired even if they cannot do their job.

2 years old is a bit young, I didn't do any two way switches until I was 12.
I must have been a late starter my daughter went on a plumbing and
bricklaying course at the local college while she was at primary school, as
did the whole class.

dennis@home wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...

Do you invoice them per waster dispatched? Keep up the good work.

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be
able to wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is
going, but they have rights and cannot just be fired even if they
cannot do their job.

2 years old is a bit young, I didn't do any two way switches until I
was 12. I must have been a late starter my daughter went on a
plumbing and bricklaying course at the local college while she was at
primary school, as did the whole class.

That's nothing. I let my gf's 6 year old drive my van.
--
Adam

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
dennis@home wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...

Do you invoice them per waster dispatched? Keep up the good work.

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be
able to wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is
going, but they have rights and cannot just be fired even if they
cannot do their job.

2 years old is a bit young, I didn't do any two way switches until I
was 12. I must have been a late starter my daughter went on a
plumbing and bricklaying course at the local college while she was at
primary school, as did the whole class.

That's nothing. I let my gf's 6 year old drive my van.

And he was a better driver too.
--
Adam

dennis@home wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
dennis@home wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...

Do you invoice them per waster dispatched? Keep up the good work.

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be
able to wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is
going, but they have rights and cannot just be fired even if they
cannot do their job.

2 years old is a bit young, I didn't do any two way switches until I
was 12. I must have been a late starter my daughter went on a
plumbing and bricklaying course at the local college while she was
at primary school, as did the whole class.

That's nothing. I let my gf's 6 year old drive my van.

And he was a better driver too.


Says the Astra driver.

--
Adam

She also punished him for being disruptive on a coach trip to the
pantomime, when he was shouting at the child next to him. It turned out
that the child had been repeatedly calling him names - she'd sat him
next to the ringleader of a small group of children that had been
bullying him for a couple of months and that we'd informed her about on
at least three occassions. She'd already sent the group to the head for
punishment, so why on earth she chose to seat him next to this bully I
don't know.

He's also been punished for not handing in his "homework" book, again
losing his playtimes and this time it turned out that the teacher hadn't
given it back to him, 'cos he was off ill on the day she returned them!

The list goes on, but thank God, as he's moved through the years, the
rest of the teachers were not as blind and predjudiced by their own,
earlier, false accusations.

SteveW

And it'll all happen again in similar ways out in the wild world of
work;!....
--
Tony Sayer

On 20/04/2011 17:34, Tabby wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:41 am, "Dave
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:52:56 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The state may have 'provided' but only to a very basic level. It's a
complete fallacy that a youngster could lead the good life without
working. Exist, maybe.

Define "good life". ****ing it up against the wall every night or
slobbed out in front of the telly still at home with the parents is a
"good life" for many.

Then they get a kid or three and will have housing provided by the
state (Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit) as well as enough
cash for food via Income Support, Child Tax Credits etc.

The poverty trap is still very real and a great temptation. I know,
when I bust my ankle the other year the Incapacity Benefit and my PHI
payouts totaled almost as much as my normal earnings and I could sit
home and do nothing. The temptation to stay sat home was certainly
there. I've also experienced the work hard, earn more money but end
up with sod all extra in the bank overall as Tax Credits etc drop. I
suspect that may well happen again this last tax year.

The main thing that bothers me about beenfits is they're a good deal
higher than they need be. If claimaints got paid what they really need
to survive, plus a very small amount more, and gave them a book
showing how to eat on that much, there would be far less temptation to
be lazy about.

They're both too high and too low at the same time!

For some people they are a reasonable living, allowing them a house and
nice extras that many of the working population cannot afford.

For others, those that have spent years working, done well for
themselves and have a house, car, etc., the benefits system says that
they need no more than the basic amount, despite them already having
committments comeasurate with their previous income.

In my case I had a long term illness (2-1/2 years) and should have
stopped work for a while to speed my recovery, instead I struggled on,
working short hours and getting half pay - this meant that I could not
claim on my PPI, so my debts increased markedly. Within a month of my
getting back to good enough health to work full hours, I found myself
out of work (with no redundancy, as I was on a renewable fixed term
contract) just as my wife became ill. For some time, she was too ill to
look after our children (unable to get up and down stairs, carry our
baby, etc.), so I could not go out to work. We were judged not to be
elegible for help, as her sick-pay was above the threshold - despite our
income having fallen by 85% and her take home pay being markedly less
than our fixed monthly outgoings. We couldn't even get help with
childcare as we weren't both out at work, despite the fact that if we'd
cancelled it, there was a minimum 6 month waiting list for another
place, which would have prevented me going back to work when I found it
and she was well enough.

SteveW

Steve Walker wrote:
In my case I had a long term illness (2-1/2 years) and should have
stopped work for a while to speed my recovery, instead I struggled on,

My offense was spending the last 20 years paying into a pension
instead of frittering my money away, and then losing my job four
years before my mortgage was paid off. My pension is seen as
capital that makes me ineligible for benefits, even though the
only way to actually use it as an income at this stage is to
liquidate it and fritter the money away in a few years, leaving
me dependant on the state once I actually need a pension, the
exact opposite of what the state has been brainwashing me into
over the last three decades.

JGH

In article
,
Owain wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:08 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote:
I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be
able to wire up 2 way lighting?

I would expect a second year secondary-school child to be able to wire
up 2 way lighting.

Well, Dribble had to ask how here. ;-)

--
*If vegetable oil comes from vegetables, where does baby oil come from? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article
,
jgharston wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
In my case I had a long term illness (2-1/2 years) and should have
stopped work for a while to speed my recovery, instead I struggled on,

My offense was spending the last 20 years paying into a pension
instead of frittering my money away, and then losing my job four
years before my mortgage was paid off. My pension is seen as
capital that makes me ineligible for benefits, even though the
only way to actually use it as an income at this stage is to
liquidate it and fritter the money away in a few years, leaving
me dependant on the state once I actually need a pension, the
exact opposite of what the state has been brainwashing me into
over the last three decades.

I've not got much experience of claiming unemployment benefit, but when I
did they never asked about any pension arrangements. Although mine was an
occupational rather than private pension.

--
*I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Adrian wrote:
Tabby gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be
able to wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is
going, but they have rights and cannot just be fired even if they
cannot do their job.

Isnt that the barmiest thing. The problems with employees are
precisely due to the laws we live under. And by god do we have
problems.

Sounds like the problem is more due to the employer being unable to
properly manage their apprentices. If they were, then this cretin
would've had performance reviews, warnings, final warnings - and could
easily have been got rid of perfectly legitimately. Or had his arse
kicked until he shaped up, long before that final stage.

I like the way the previous firm got rid of him. They said they had
financial difficulties and he needed to look for a new employer. They of
course, gave a glowing reference to help get a smooth quick transfer. The
second he was gone they took on a new apprentice.

--
Adam

John Rumm wrote:
On 21/04/2011 09:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
wrote:
On Apr 20, 2:08 pm, "ARWadsworth" wrote:
I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be
able to wire up 2 way lighting?

I would expect a second year secondary-school child to be able to
wire up 2 way lighting.

Well, Dribble had to ask how here. ;-)

Well there is some respect due for asking first, rather than diving in
anyway.

You normally can go diving after Dribble has done some work:-)

--
Adam

I had this conversation with one of the kids on my electrical course
20 years ago regarding ceiling roses:

Him: So, I connect all the reds together and all the blacks together?
Me: No, you connect the incoming live to the switch feed, the
returning
switched live to the live feed to the light, the returning neutral to
the supply neutral.
Him: So...... I connect all the reds together....?


ROFL! Reminds me the time I had to rewire the rose for a GP friend after he
put in a rise and fall light. A Cambridge graduate, and he'd done proper
research at Oxford and somewhere Ivy League in the States

In article , newshound
scribeth thus


I had this conversation with one of the kids on my electrical course
20 years ago regarding ceiling roses:

Him: So, I connect all the reds together and all the blacks together?
Me: No, you connect the incoming live to the switch feed, the
returning
switched live to the live feed to the light, the returning neutral to
the supply neutral.
Him: So...... I connect all the reds together....?


ROFL! Reminds me the time I had to rewire the rose for a GP friend after he
put in a rise and fall light. A Cambridge graduate, and he'd done proper
research at Oxford and somewhere Ivy League in the States


Camtab's are usually excellent at what there're good at and a shade
oblivious to almost anything else;!....
--
Tony Sayer

On 21/04/2011 14:01, newshound wrote:


I had this conversation with one of the kids on my electrical course
20 years ago regarding ceiling roses:

Him: So, I connect all the reds together and all the blacks together?
Me: No, you connect the incoming live to the switch feed, the
returning
switched live to the live feed to the light, the returning neutral to
the supply neutral.
Him: So...... I connect all the reds together....?


ROFL! Reminds me the time I had to rewire the rose for a GP friend after
he put in a rise and fall light. A Cambridge graduate, and he'd done
proper research at Oxford and somewhere Ivy League in the States

I labelled the wires and even took a photo of the last one I replaced. I
always expect the worst. Just as well because some of the labels came
off when dragging the wires through the backplate of the old fitting.

On 20/04/2011 21:53, ARWadsworth wrote:
wrote:
wrote in message
...

Do you invoice them per waster dispatched? Keep up the good work.

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be
able to wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is
going, but they have rights and cannot just be fired even if they
cannot do their job.

2 years old is a bit young, I didn't do any two way switches until I
was 12. I must have been a late starter my daughter went on a
plumbing and bricklaying course at the local college while she was at
primary school, as did the whole class.

That's nothing. I let my gf's 6 year old drive my van.

Are you two still together then? I thought you had a row and split up.
If you are still together, then the trip to the mine is back on again.

Dave