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We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's
but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council (£23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA |
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On Dec 1, 3:19*pm, "Pete Zahut" wrote:
We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council ( 23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA You can hire aluminium scaffolding towers with castors. They are quite light and easily moved about. |
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On Dec 1, 3:19 pm, "Pete Zahut" wrote: We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council ( 23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA You can hire aluminium scaffolding towers with castors. They are quite light and easily moved about. Yeah but the problem with that is that my mate would need a hand to erect/take down the scaffolding. I can't help him because of medical problems so it means paying a second man, which in turn brings the financial outlay within the realms of the cherry picker hire prices which he could operate himself and it's a much easier thing all round. |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:19:31 +0000, Pete Zahut wrote:
So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. What are the hire prices like there? They're ridiculously expensive this side of the Atlantic - it's more cost-effective to outright buy a used one and sell it again when you're done, assuming you have the funds and storage space. (I suspect it might be more cost-effective to simply pay someone to do the work for you too, unfortunately) cheers Jules |
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Jules Richardson wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:19:31 +0000, Pete Zahut wrote: So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. What are the hire prices like there? They're ridiculously expensive this side of the Atlantic - it's more cost-effective to outright buy a used one and sell it again when you're done, assuming you have the funds and storage space. (I suspect it might be more cost-effective to simply pay someone to do the work for you too, unfortunately) cheers Jules Well, it seems that something around £100 to £120 + VAT and collision damage waiver of £25 would get us a suitable van mounted thing for a day (7.30am to 5.30pm. Weekend, pickup Friday drop off Monday is £198). Pete |
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Pete Zahut wrote:
Jules Richardson wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:19:31 +0000, Pete Zahut wrote: So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. What are the hire prices like there?...... (I suspect it might be more cost-effective to simply pay someone to do the work for you too, unfortunately) Well, it seems that something around £100 to £120 + VAT and collision damage waiver of £25 would get us a suitable van mounted thing for a day (7.30am to 5.30pm. Weekend, pickup Friday drop off Monday is £198). I'd fit the supply and fit the gutter to 2 typical terrace houses for around £200. That'd include painting the fascia before fitting the new gutter. Material cost is not much above £40, so a good earner at £200. Much better to pay someone than hiring, buying materials, and DIYing. Alan. -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
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A.Lee wrote:
Pete Zahut wrote: Jules Richardson wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:19:31 +0000, Pete Zahut wrote: So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. What are the hire prices like there?...... (I suspect it might be more cost-effective to simply pay someone to do the work for you too, unfortunately) Well, it seems that something around £100 to £120 + VAT and collision damage waiver of £25 would get us a suitable van mounted thing for a day (7.30am to 5.30pm. Weekend, pickup Friday drop off Monday is £198). I'd fit the supply and fit the gutter to 2 typical terrace houses for around £200. That'd include painting the fascia before fitting the new gutter. Material cost is not much above £40, so a good earner at £200. Much better to pay someone than hiring, buying materials, and DIYing. Alan. No good for us though. These are lead-lined stone gutters on houses built in 1874 and it's a problem with the lead. I posted in here a while back and someone suggested that we need a proper old-time plumber/leadburner to sort it. We contacted the Lead Contractors Association and found that the nearest one to us is about 50 miles away and he's not interested in such a small job. For the record, the roof was refelted, rebattened and reslated about 5 years ago. The guys said that it would be prudent to reline the lead while the scaffolding was up, so they did. It was OK for about 3 years and then damp showed up in the bedroom. Got someone else in (a builder) who said that it looked like the joint between our's and next door's lead. He did something that seemed to work but again, we've got damp. So, a roofer and a builder have failed to sort it, hence someone's suggestion to get a proper leadburner in - but we can't. So my mate is now going to have a go :-) |
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On 01/12/10 17:12, Pete Zahut wrote:
A.Lee wrote: Pete wrote: Jules Richardson wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:19:31 +0000, Pete Zahut wrote: So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. What are the hire prices like there?...... (I suspect it might be more cost-effective to simply pay someone to do the work for you too, unfortunately) Well, it seems that something around £100 to £120 + VAT and collision damage waiver of £25 would get us a suitable van mounted thing for a day (7.30am to 5.30pm. Weekend, pickup Friday drop off Monday is £198). I'd fit the supply and fit the gutter to 2 typical terrace houses for around £200. That'd include painting the fascia before fitting the new gutter. Material cost is not much above £40, so a good earner at £200. Much better to pay someone than hiring, buying materials, and DIYing. Alan. No good for us though. These are lead-lined stone gutters on houses built in 1874 and it's a problem with the lead. I posted in here a while back and someone suggested that we need a proper old-time plumber/leadburner to sort it. We contacted the Lead Contractors Association and found that the nearest one to us is about 50 miles away and he's not interested in such a small job. For the record, the roof was refelted, rebattened and reslated about 5 years ago. The guys said that it would be prudent to reline the lead while the scaffolding was up, so they did. It was OK for about 3 years and then damp showed up in the bedroom. Got someone else in (a builder) who said that it looked like the joint between our's and next door's lead. He did something that seemed to work but again, we've got damp. So, a roofer and a builder have failed to sort it, hence someone's suggestion to get a proper leadburner in - but we can't. So my mate is now going to have a go :-) I think the idea of a rope over the ridge for safety and a ladder (maybe with a standoff) is a good one. You can hire long ladders. You dont know where the water's getting in, even hiring scafolding or a cherry picker might result in a look and then no action whilst you figure out the next move (having posted photos here) Or maybe you will find leaves blocking a downpipe and solve it in 2 minutes. [g] |
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In message , Pete Zahut
writes A.Lee wrote: Got someone else in (a builder) who said that it looked like the joint between our's and next door's lead. He did something that seemed to work but again, we've got damp. So, a roofer and a builder have failed to sort it, hence someone's suggestion to get a proper leadburner in - but we can't. So my mate is now going to have a go :-) Where are you? -- geoff |
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On 1 Dec 2010 16:17:47 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2010-12-01, Jules Richardson wrote: On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:19:31 +0000, Pete Zahut wrote: So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. What are the hire prices like there? They're ridiculously expensive this side of the Atlantic - Probably because of the liability insurance... A decorator fiend of mine hired one to paint the ceiling in the foyer of a big office block. He neglected to put the stays out. It tipped over trapping him in the "bucket" on account of his ample girth and all the acid ran out of the batteries and took the finish off the marble floor. Derek |
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writes .. A decorator fiend of mine hired one to paint the ceiling in the foyer of a big office block. He neglected to put the stays out. All cherry pickers I have used would not operate if the stays were not out correctly. There should be interlocks on them. I wonder if he really did forget or if they were bypassed or faulty? What did HSE have to say about it? I can sympathise with the Marble floor, some years ago I drilled through the side of a lead acid battery in a bus and deposited copious amounts of acid on their nice new works shop concrete floor, it fizzed well! It tipped over trapping him in the "bucket" on account of his ample girth and all the acid ran out of the batteries and took the finish off the marble floor. Derek -- Bill |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:19:31 +0000, Pete Zahut wrote:
So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. What are the hire prices like there? They're ridiculously expensive this side of the Atlantic - it's more cost-effective to outright buy a used one and sell it again when you're done, assuming you have the funds and storage space. (I suspect it might be more cost-effective to simply pay someone to do the work for you too, unfortunately) cheers Jules |
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Pete Zahut wrote:
We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council (£23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA 1) why can't you use a ladder? 2) if you go down the road of hiring cherry-pickers etc and going on a training course etc, it will cost more than getting someone to do the job for you. 3) what job needs to be done on the gutters? -- Phil L RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008 |
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Phil L wrote:
Pete Zahut wrote: We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council (£23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA 1) why can't you use a ladder? Bleedin' elf n safely innit!! Mind you, I wouldn't be the one up there anyway. 2) if you go down the road of hiring cherry-pickers etc and going on a training course etc, it will cost more than getting someone to do the job for you. Oh yes, I've already found that out. 3) what job needs to be done on the gutters? See my reply to A.Lee at 17.12 :-) |
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On 01/12/2010 17:51, Pete Zahut wrote:
Phil L wrote: .... 1) why can't you use a ladder? Bleedin' elf n safely innit!!... http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/april.htm Colin Bignell |
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On 01/12/2010 17:51, Pete Zahut wrote:
Phil L wrote: Pete Zahut wrote: We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council (£23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA 1) why can't you use a ladder? Bleedin' elf n safely innit!! Mind you, I wouldn't be the one up there anyway. Sling a climbing or caving rope over the roof and use that for safety (with an appropriate harness...)? Ok, slinging ropes over a roof can actually be quite tricky, but once done it's nice and secure (if appropriately tied off). |
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Pete Zahut wrote:
TIA 1) why can't you use a ladder? Bleedin' elf n safely innit!! Mind you, I wouldn't be the one up there anyway. 2) if you go down the road of hiring cherry-pickers etc and going on a training course etc, it will cost more than getting someone to do the job for you. Oh yes, I've already found that out. 3) what job needs to be done on the gutters? See my reply to A.Lee at 17.12 :-) Ah, now I see. If a builder and a roofer haven't managed to seal the lead, what makes you think your neighbour can do it? Lead is funny stuff, it has a tendency to shrink quite a lot during cold weather, and if it has been fixed to something, IE nailed to the bottom row of battens or something similar, it will simply rip itself from these nails...your neighbour will probably find that it goes quite a way up behind the first row of slates, but it's unlikely that this is where the problem lies. You say it's probably the joint betwen the two houses? - I'd have to agree as this is a regular occurence and it's caused by using lead that is too long to begin with - shorter pieces should be used to prevent it coming apart when it contracts. I've done a quick jpeg of how it should be done: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2nlv42o&s=7 The pieces covering the wooden 'ridge' should each be no more than 2ft long - and it should not be done in one piece. All the other pieces of lead in the gutter should be no more than 6ft long and they should overlap at least a foot -- Phil L RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008 |
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Phil L wrote:
Pete Zahut wrote: TIA 1) why can't you use a ladder? Bleedin' elf n safely innit!! Mind you, I wouldn't be the one up there anyway. 2) if you go down the road of hiring cherry-pickers etc and going on a training course etc, it will cost more than getting someone to do the job for you. Oh yes, I've already found that out. 3) what job needs to be done on the gutters? See my reply to A.Lee at 17.12 :-) Ah, now I see. If a builder and a roofer haven't managed to seal the lead, what makes you think your neighbour can do it? Nothing to be honest Phil, but we're getting desperate now. It's not my neighbour who's going to go up there but a mate of mine who I used to work with on BT. I was a cable jointer on 'locals' but he was a jointer on 'trunks and junctions' and the cables he dealt with were lead covered. He's very proficient at wiping lead joints on cables but we're also acutely aware that lead sheeting is a different beast altogether - especially where our new lead meets our neighbour's old oxidised and fragile lead - but hey, gotta be worth a go. Lead is funny stuff, it has a tendency to shrink quite a lot during cold weather, and if it has been fixed to something, IE nailed to the bottom row of battens or something similar, it will simply rip itself from these nails...your neighbour will probably find that it goes quite a way up behind the first row of slates, but it's unlikely that this is where the problem lies. You say it's probably the joint betwen the two houses? - I'd have to agree as this is a regular occurence and it's caused by using lead that is too long to begin with - shorter pieces should be used to prevent it coming apart when it contracts. I've done a quick jpeg of how it should be done: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2nlv42o&s=7 The pieces covering the wooden 'ridge' should each be no more than 2ft long - and it should not be done in one piece. All the other pieces of lead in the gutter should be no more than 6ft long and they should overlap at least a foot Thanks very much for that sir, very useful info. |
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On Dec 1, 3:19*pm, "Pete Zahut" wrote:
We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council ( 23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA We used a Genie AWP 30 on a job last year -http://www.genielift.com/ss- series/ss-1-1.asp Fairly cheap to hire, quick to setup and move around. Doesn't need a training course. Ours came from http://www.centralplatformservicesltd.net/Hire.htm You wouldn't want to use it outside if it's really windy, but it got up to the gutters on a 4 storey building quite happily. A |
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On Dec 1, 3:19 pm, "Pete Zahut" wrote: We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council ( 23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA We used a Genie AWP 30 on a job last year -http://www.genielift.com/ss- series/ss-1-1.asp Fairly cheap to hire, quick to setup and move around. Doesn't need a training course. Ours came from http://www.centralplatformservicesltd.net/Hire.htm You wouldn't want to use it outside if it's really windy, but it got up to the gutters on a 4 storey building quite happily. A Excellent, thanks very much Andrew. |
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On 01/12/2010 19:36, andrew wrote:
On Dec 1, 3:19 pm, "Pete wrote: We have some work to do on the guttering of our house and also next door's but these are terraced houses and it's at the front, ie, on the street, and means that the method of access to the gutters has to be movable along the length of both houses. If we hire some sort of scaffolding or access tower it means time and effort spent in erecting/taking down the thing and may make the job span two days, plus we have to get a street permit from the council ( 23). So, I was thinking that maybe we could hire one of these van-mounted cherry picker thingies that you see guys using for street lighting maintenance. We should be able to park it in the place where I normally park my car and no time spent erecting/stripping down means that we could get the job done in the one day - much easier all round. However, all the hire sites I've looked at so far seem to suggest that you have to go on a training course before you can use one of these things. The course (on successful completion) seems to give you a card that lasts for 5 years. In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? TIA We used a Genie AWP 30 on a job last year -http://www.genielift.com/ss- series/ss-1-1.asp Fairly cheap to hire, quick to setup and move around. Doesn't need a training course. Ours came from http://www.centralplatformservicesltd.net/Hire.htm You wouldn't want to use it outside if it's really windy, but it got up to the gutters on a 4 storey building quite happily. I think I'd rather use one of the scissor lifts they show. the Christmas light in our High Street were put up with a scissor lift this year. It looked very stable and, although it arrived on a trailer, it could move around the work area under its own power. Colin Bignell |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Pete Zahut" saying something like: In other words, it seems that they are training you for a career in using elevating platforms and looking towards future employment, which is obviously no good for someone who wants to hire it for a day while his mate goes and does some work on the gutters. Have I got this right? Is there really no way Joe Public can just hire one for a day? And Joe Numpty causes a fatality? [1] Do you really fancy being sued into the ground and losing your house for the legal bills and compensation? I'd suggest, do the course, or if it costs a lot, hire a bod with a ticket for the day. With the collapse of the construction industry, you'll find someone fairly easily to do a day for cash. The hire centre will likely put you in touch with someone suitable. [1] As an example: Years ago, I did a fork truck training course (as part of my job, fixing the damn things) and it surprised me how much I didn't know. It's dead easy to kill some poor sap with a fork truck, imagine how easy it might be with a cherry picker. |
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