The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women
at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. Can
anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women
at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. Can
anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

Working in a school, I think the sustem you nedd is a dual system -
activated by motion sensor but also by a long term timer so that the
system is flushed once every few hours even if it is not used. I have
been told that it is not a good idea to leave the system not flushed for
days at a time

Malcolm

Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by
women at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals'
cistern when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin.
Can anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping
the mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

Well only making the gents urinal flush when the wash hand basin is used
certainly will save you some water! It is probably the ultimate water saving
feature.

However the system you are thinking about is called Cystermiser. I believe
that it operates on pressure. You will have to Google for it as have only
ever fitted the PIR systems that you refered to.

Cheers

--
Adam

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
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Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by
women at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals'
cistern when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin.
Can anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping
the mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

Well only making the gents urinal flush when the wash hand basin is used
certainly will save you some water! It is probably the ultimate water
saving feature.

However the system you are thinking about is called Cystermiser. I believe
that it operates on pressure. You will have to Google for it as have only
ever fitted the PIR systems that you refered to.

Cheers

--
Adam


the cisternmiser lets a small amount of water, adjustable, into the cistern
when there is a drop in water pressure
ie when a tap is opened, and slowly fills up the cistern until it flushes.
Easy to fit also.

On 23 Oct, 16:31, "A Plumber" wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message

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Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by
women at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals'
cistern when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin.
Can anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. *I am hoping
the mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

Well only making the gents urinal flush when the wash hand basin is used
certainly will save you some water! It is probably the ultimate water
saving feature.

However the system you are thinking about is called Cystermiser. I believe
that it operates on pressure. You will have to Google for it as have only
ever fitted the PIR systems that you refered to.

Cheers

--
Adam

the cisternmiser lets a small amount of water, adjustable, into the cistern
when there is a drop in water pressure
ie when a tap is opened, and slowly fills up the cistern until it flushes..
Easy to fit also.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Easy to fit, but doesn't work very well IMHO. It also assumes that men
will wash their hands; not necessarily true. The PIR systems are
better but as stated by an other, you need a system that can flush
once a day, say, if not used.

".....uses a motion detector...."

What does that use - a microphone to detect the splash, etc ?

Onetap wrote:
On 23 Oct, 16:31, "A Plumber" wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message

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Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by
women at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals'
cistern when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand
basin. Can anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of
control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only
initiates filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area.
I am hoping the mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise
from my brief description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

Well only making the gents urinal flush when the wash hand basin is
used certainly will save you some water! It is probably the
ultimate water saving feature.

However the system you are thinking about is called Cystermiser. I
believe that it operates on pressure. You will have to Google for
it as have only ever fitted the PIR systems that you refered to.

Cheers

--
Adam

the cisternmiser lets a small amount of water, adjustable, into the
cistern when there is a drop in water pressure
ie when a tap is opened, and slowly fills up the cistern until it
flushes. Easy to fit also.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Easy to fit, but doesn't work very well IMHO. It also assumes that men
will wash their hands; not necessarily true. The PIR systems are
better but as stated by an other, you need a system that can flush
once a day, say, if not used.

Some of the cistermisers have that capability.

http://www.gentworks.co.uk/skin1/ima...ves_choice.pdf

--
Adam

"Frank Stacey" wrote in message
...
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women at
that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. Can anyone
point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey



I fitted one of these http://www.hygienesuppliesdirect.com/products/prod87
in the local guide hall in 2008. Needless to say the gents urinals were
under used but were flushing twice an hour 24 x 7!! The water saving was
consideable and I was looking at full payback in about 12 months (except
they got a grant and refitted all the toilets and no urinals about 9 months
later). Battery operated and flushes once a day even if unoccupied. About
an hour to fit IIRC.

Peter

"Peter Andrews" wrote in message
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"Frank Stacey" wrote in message
...
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women
at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. Can anyone
point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey



I fitted one of these http://www.hygienesuppliesdirect.com/products/prod87
in the local guide hall in 2008. Needless to say the gents urinals were
under used but were flushing twice an hour 24 x 7!! The water saving was
consideable and I was looking at full payback in about 12 months (except
they got a grant and refitted all the toilets and no urinals about 9
months later). Battery operated and flushes once a day even if unoccupied.
About an hour to fit IIRC.

Peter

Should have been http://www.hygienesuppliesdirect.com/products/prod2109 -
cheaper!

On 23 Oct, 15:17, Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women
at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. *Can
anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. *I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

I saw the final solution to this problem in America. They had small
manually operated flush tanks over each urinal. Push button operated.
But I've often thought that there's no reason not to install a WC
flushing tank, there are some very small one's these days.

"harry" wrote in message
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On 23 Oct, 15:17, Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women
at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. Can
anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

I saw the final solution to this problem in America. They had small
manually operated flush tanks over each urinal. Push button operated.
But I've often thought that there's no reason not to install a WC
flushing tank, there are some very small one's these days.


But it would only work if the inlet supply was slow and that blokes didn't
vandalise it if it wasn't able to flush because it wasn't full. If busy they
probably need flushing once per hour.

What about the waterless devices that are around?

harry wrote:
I saw the final solution to this problem in America. They had small
manually operated flush tanks over each urinal. Push button operated.

Many (most?) urinals in the US have a manual flush valve, usually mains
rather than a tank. That would obviously solve the OP's problem; the
trouble is that in this country we're not used to manually flushing
urinals and so many people wouldn't think to press it.

Pete

In article ,
Frank Stacey writes:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women
at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. Can
anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

Aston Matthews used to have a unrinal in their show room which had
a washhand basin in the top. It was flushed by the basin waste.
Quite clever I thought, but I've never seen one fitted anywhere.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 23 Oct, 15:17, Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women
at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. *Can
anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. *I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

A simple solenoid and programmable 7 day 1 channel c h timer to shut
off the water supply into the flush tank during un-occupied periods
would be my favourite. Also adjust the fill rate valve to reduce the
frequency of flushes. Do however watch out for being too parsimonious
as an underflushed urinal builds up urea crystals in the trap and
outflow pipe and is a stinking job to clear out. Push-fit joints can
be your friend in this eventuality.

In article ,
lid says...

harry wrote:
I saw the final solution to this problem in America. They had small
manually operated flush tanks over each urinal. Push button operated.

Many (most?) urinals in the US have a manual flush valve, usually mains
rather than a tank. That would obviously solve the OP's problem; the
trouble is that in this country we're not used to manually flushing
urinals and so many people wouldn't think to press it.


You don't have to travel that far, you can find them much closer to
home.

It is quite common on the European mainland, particularly in Belgium. A
push button over the urinal, usually a Prestex type of tap, but smaller,
IIRC.

--

Terry

On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:38:29 -0700 (PDT), Onetap
wrote:

It also assumes that men
will wash their hands; not necessarily true.

A few years ago a local authority architect told me about a new police
station that they'd been called back to, to investigate the stinking
gents. Architect walks in, turns tap and urinals flush as expected but
it turned out that the users did not wash their hands.

On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:27:28 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

I saw the final solution to this problem in America. They had small
manually operated flush tanks over each urinal. Push button operated.

Another possibly American solution (as I've only seen them in CostCo
stores) is a PIR in each urinal. Flushes while you pee or do they
flush when you move away. Anyway you get the idea.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Frank Stacey" wrote in message
...
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women at
that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. Can anyone
point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey

Replace the flushing mechanism with manually operated Prestex Push valves
and request that users push after going. This is the usual arrangement in
the States and the continent.

Frank Stacey wrote:
The local community hall is infrequently used (and used mostly by women
at that). How can we minimise water usage in the men's?

I came across mention of a system which only fills the urinals' cistern
when some other water is used - possibly the wash-hand basin. Can
anyone point me to a spec and source of this sort of control.
I am aware of the sort which uses a motion detector and only initiates
filling the cistern when someone moves in the loo area. I am hoping the
mechanism which I am hoping someone can recognise from my brief
description might be cheaper and easier to set up.

TIA
Frank Stacey


I noticed this afternoon that our local community centre has a urinal
control system by these people:

http://www.dartvalley.co.uk/

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Peter Johnson
saying something like:

A few years ago a local authority architect told me about a new police
station that they'd been called back to, to investigate the stinking
gents. Architect walks in, turns tap and urinals flush as expected but
it turned out that the users did not wash their hands.

Dirty pigs.

On 27 Oct, 01:59, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Peter Johnson
saying something like:

A few years ago a local authority architect told me about a new police
station that they'd been called back to, to investigate the stinking
gents. Architect walks in, turns tap and urinals flush as expected but
it turned out that the users did not wash their hands.

Dirty pigs.

Perhaps Hendon taught them to **** in the urinal and not on thier
hands.