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OT homeplug phenomenon?
got 3 homeplugs on a home network -
when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? Cheers Jim K |
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Jim K wrote:
got 3 homeplugs on a home network - when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? Are any of the homeplugs in sockets that are spurs (or 4way extension leads) rather than directly on the ring? sounds like some sort of reflection issue ... after all the mains is acting as an unterminated bus. |
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On 20 July, 21:59, Andy Burns wrote:
Jim K wrote: got 3 homeplugs on a home network - when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? Are any of the homeplugs in sockets that are spurs (or 4way extension leads) rather than directly on the ring? sounds like some sort of reflection issue ... after all the mains is acting as an unterminated bus. mmm interesting.... the remote ip cam (that goes awol when the fourth homeplug is plugged in) is on a 4gang lead, another homeplug is in a 6gang lead on a desktop, and the router's homeplug is in another 4gang lead.... NB they don;t all go down - just appears to be the IP cam homeplug that fails? Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) Cheers Jim K |
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Jim K :
Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) AFAIK that's just a performance matter. I've never had a problem using extension leads. -- Mike Barnes |
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Mike Barnes wrote:
Jim K : Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) AFAIK that's just a performance matter. I've never had a problem using extension leads. When I had a problem with four devolo homeplugs their tech support people asked me to plug them all into the same extension lead in order to sort out the problem. So the stern warnings in the manual don't appear to mean much to them. |
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On Jul 20, 10:27*pm, Jim K wrote:
On 20 July, 21:59, Andy Burns wrote: Jim K wrote: got 3 homeplugs on a home network - when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? Are any of the homeplugs in sockets that are spurs (or 4way extension leads) rather than directly on the ring? sounds like some sort of reflection issue ... after all the mains is acting as an unterminated bus. mmm interesting.... the remote ip cam (that goes awol when the fourth homeplug is plugged in) is on a 4gang lead, another homeplug is in a 6gang lead on a desktop, and the router's homeplug is in another 4gang lead.... NB they don;t all go down - just appears to be the IP cam homeplug that fails? Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) Cheers Jim K Try RTFM. MBQ |
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On 21 July, 10:47, "Man at B&Q" wrote:
On Jul 20, 10:27 pm, Jim K wrote: On 20 July, 21:59, Andy Burns wrote: Jim K wrote: got 3 homeplugs on a home network - when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? Are any of the homeplugs in sockets that are spurs (or 4way extension leads) rather than directly on the ring? sounds like some sort of reflection issue ... after all the mains is acting as an unterminated bus. mmm interesting.... the remote ip cam (that goes awol when the fourth homeplug is plugged in) is on a 4gang lead, another homeplug is in a 6gang lead on a desktop, and the router's homeplug is in another 4gang lead.... NB they don;t all go down - just appears to be the IP cam homeplug that fails? Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) Cheers Jim K Try RTFM. MBQ didn't have one YST ;) Jim K |
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On 20/07/2010 22:27 Jim K wrote:
Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) Not a 'requirement', but I've always seen it described as 'recommended'. -- F |
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On 22 July, 14:52, F news@nowhere wrote:
On 20/07/2010 22:27 Jim K wrote: Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) Not a 'requirement', but I've always seen it described as 'recommended'. -- F mmm... nothing in devolos online manual ... you gotta link I can study? Cheers Jim K |
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On 22/07/2010 20:59 Jim K wrote:
On 22 July, 14:52, Fnews@nowhere wrote: On 20/07/2010 22:27 Jim K wrote: Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) Not a 'requirement', but I've always seen it described as 'recommended'. -- F mmm... nothing in devolos online manual ... you gotta link I can study? No link, but it's been in the instructions for the three different brands I've used over the past few years. -- F |
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F news@nowhere wrote:
On 20/07/2010 22:27 Jim K wrote: Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) Not a 'requirement', but I've always seen it described as 'recommended'. The only reason for it to be "recommended" is that some extension leads have corroded contacts in the socket because people use them in places where dirt and damp are common. Also each extra plug and socket in the chain result in attenuation of the signal causing performance issues. There's no black magic that causes a plug to mystically misbehave, run rogue and shut down other homeplugs if it's used on an extension. TBH, I'd get all the plugs, put them on the same extension, jack the PC into one of them and flash them all to the current firmware release. Then assign a new shared secret to them all and that will eliminate firmware incompatibility or problems with passwords. |
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On 24 July, 10:23, (Steve Firth) wrote:
F news@nowhere wrote: On 20/07/2010 22:27 Jim K wrote: Is that a "requirement" that they plug straight into a "direct circuit fed mains wall socket" ?? (for want of a better description!) Not a 'requirement', but I've always seen it described as 'recommended'. The only reason for it to be "recommended" is that some extension leads have corroded contacts in the socket because people use them in places where dirt and damp are common. Also each extra plug and socket in the chain result in attenuation of the signal causing performance issues. There's no black magic that causes a plug to mystically misbehave, run rogue and shut down other homeplugs if it's used on an extension. TBH, I'd get all the plugs, put them on the same extension, jack the PC into one of them and flash them all to the current firmware release. Then assign a new shared secret to them all and that will eliminate firmware incompatibility or problems with passwords. yeah done that - all on lastest firmware, all same make, all same pwds...issue remains :( CHeers Jim K |
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Jim K wrote:
got 3 homeplugs on a home network - when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? RF is magic, not science. As anyone who has dealt with it intimately can tell you. Cheers Jim K |
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On 20/07/2010 23:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Jim K wrote: got 3 homeplugs on a home network - when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? RF is magic, not science. As anyone who has dealt with it intimately can tell you. Cheers Jim K Especially waveguide theory....... |
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On 20/07/2010 20:31, Jim K wrote:
got 3 homeplugs on a home network - when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? Cheers Jim K Same manufacturer? Which one? |
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On 22 July, 22:00, Devany wrote:
On 20/07/2010 20:31, Jim K wrote: got 3 homeplugs on a home network - when (for testing purposes) I plug a fourth in to a socket near where an existing homeplug is plugged in, one of the other distant homeplugs stops working properly (IP cam - no picture). But if I plug the fourth one into a socket further round the *same 240v circuit* as before- all is well.....???? any clues/thoughts please? Cheers Jim K Same manufacturer? Which one? devolo Jim K |
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