Evening all,

Bloody Screwfix! They list three compression fit service valves, two of
which are "Next Day Only" (why?!??!?!?) leaving just the choice of a
nice shiny Pegler. So far so good. Except if you buy said Pegler one
it's not what it seems. Instead of a boss and fibre washer it just came
with a stub and a (as I thought, pre-crimped) olive.

Ok maybe this is a new innovation to use olives instead of fibre
washers, I think having stared at it for a while after getting it home.
It's not as if Pegler are going to sell crap, is it? Get it on the pipe
and go to fit it to a standard plastic toilet valve and it's not looking
hopeful. Even with much PTFE it doesn't look hopeful. Then I realise
that the olive's not even crimped on.

So all I can think, and I'd like anyone's idea on this, is that some bod
at Screwfix has perused the Pegler catalogue, found one of their more
esoteric fittings (this would work if one was attaching it to the female
end of some existing compression fitting), listed it in the SF book and
then ordered 50,000. It's either that or they're intended for metal
threaded taps with a taper in the orifice (which I didn't think was
usually the case) and stuff anyone trying to re-plump a loo.

Opinions?

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Scott

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Scott M wrote:

Evening all,

Bloody Screwfix! They list three compression fit service valves, two of
which are "Next Day Only" (why?!??!?!?) leaving just the choice of a
nice shiny Pegler. So far so good. Except if you buy said Pegler one
it's not what it seems. Instead of a boss and fibre washer it just came
with a stub and a (as I thought, pre-crimped) olive.


Part number?
I've found the pictures on Screwfix's site do not always match the
actual parts - waste fittings are one of the worst.

Alan.


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On 12/07/2010 19:10, Scott M wrote:

Evening all,

Bloody Screwfix! They list three compression fit service valves, two of
which are "Next Day Only" (why?!??!?!?) leaving just the choice of a
nice shiny Pegler.
etc.

That's not the only sort of 'stoopidity' they exhibit!

I ordered a 7.5Kg tub of tile adhesive and a few smaller items. It all
came in a big cardboard box with no packing and no indication that it
needed to be a particular way up. The lid came off the tile adhesive in
transit, and much of the contents were spread around inside the box and
were all over the other items (although I was able to clean it off them).

When I rang up to complain, the agreed to replace the tile adhesive -
and when the new one arrived, *that* was floating around inside a big
box - which the postman delivered on its *side*. Miraculously the lid
hadn't come off that one - but it must happen quite often if that's how
they send stuff out!
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Scott M wrote:

Evening all,

Bloody Screwfix! They list three compression fit service valves, two of
which are "Next Day Only" (why?!??!?!?) leaving just the choice of a
nice shiny Pegler. So far so good. Except if you buy said Pegler one
it's not what it seems. Instead of a boss and fibre washer it just came
with a stub and a (as I thought, pre-crimped) olive.

Ok maybe this is a new innovation to use olives instead of fibre
washers, I think having stared at it for a while after getting it home.
It's not as if Pegler are going to sell crap, is it? Get it on the pipe
and go to fit it to a standard plastic toilet valve and it's not looking
hopeful. Even with much PTFE it doesn't look hopeful. Then I realise
that the olive's not even crimped on.

So all I can think, and I'd like anyone's idea on this, is that some bod
at Screwfix has perused the Pegler catalogue, found one of their more
esoteric fittings (this would work if one was attaching it to the female
end of some existing compression fitting), listed it in the SF book and
then ordered 50,000. It's either that or they're intended for metal
threaded taps with a taper in the orifice (which I didn't think was
usually the case) and stuff anyone trying to re-plump a loo.

Opinions?


This one?

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/19933/...ice-Valve-15mm

Looks like normal 15mm compression on one end, described as 1/2" on the
other end.

D

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Scott M wrote:

Evening all,

Bloody Screwfix! They list three compression fit service valves, two of
which are "Next Day Only" (why?!??!?!?) leaving just the choice of a
nice shiny Pegler. So far so good. Except if you buy said Pegler one
it's not what it seems. Instead of a boss and fibre washer it just came
with a stub and a (as I thought, pre-crimped) olive.

Ok maybe this is a new innovation to use olives instead of fibre
washers, I think having stared at it for a while after getting it home.
It's not as if Pegler are going to sell crap, is it? Get it on the pipe
and go to fit it to a standard plastic toilet valve and it's not looking
hopeful. Even with much PTFE it doesn't look hopeful. Then I realise
that the olive's not even crimped on.

So all I can think, and I'd like anyone's idea on this, is that some bod
at Screwfix has perused the Pegler catalogue, found one of their more
esoteric fittings (this would work if one was attaching it to the female
end of some existing compression fitting), listed it in the SF book and
then ordered 50,000. It's either that or they're intended for metal
threaded taps with a taper in the orifice (which I didn't think was
usually the case) and stuff anyone trying to re-plump a loo.

Opinions?

All the service valves I've seen are designed to go inline on copper pipe
- or the ones Screwfix seem to sell do. They all say 15 or 22mm.

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John Rumm wrote:

Got a catalog number so we can have a look?

Sorry John & Alan, stoopidity on my part. 19933 is the offending
article. The photo (as in the book) shows the compression end, hiding
the end that should be a straight 1/2" boss but isn't. The body is
otherwise identical to what was supplied; the olive-on-a-post
arrangement is hidden.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

All the service valves I've seen are designed to go inline on copper pipe
- or the ones Screwfix seem to sell do. They all say 15 or 22mm.

Well, SF define 'isolating valves' as being the ones with a compresion
fit on either end, with 'service valves' being a tap connector and valve
all-in-one. I wanted a 1/2 tap connector on the end of mine.

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David Hearn wrote:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/19933/...ice-Valve-15mm

Looks like normal 15mm compression on one end, described as 1/2" on the
other end.

That's the beast! The cap nut facing away is hiding a standard 15mm olive.

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Scott M wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

All the service valves I've seen are designed to go inline on copper
pipe - or the ones Screwfix seem to sell do. They all say 15 or 22mm.

Well, SF define 'isolating valves' as being the ones with a compresion
fit on either end, with 'service valves' being a tap connector and valve
all-in-one. I wanted a 1/2 tap connector on the end of mine.

But you wrote 'service valve' in your original post. ;-)

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

But you wrote 'service valve' in your original post. ;-)

I'm confused (this is normal.) Thought you were referring to Isolating
valves in your post (ir compression fit at either end.) This pegler
thing is sold as a service valve but is effectively a male compression
end to a female compression end.

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Scott M wrote:
But you wrote 'service valve' in your original post. ;-)

I'm confused (this is normal.) Thought you were referring to Isolating
valves in your post (ir compression fit at either end.) This pegler
thing is sold as a service valve but is effectively a male compression
end to a female compression end.

You've lost me too now. I've only ever seen one type of compression
fitting. A service valve to me is one used to isolate taps for washer
changing, and has a screw operated mechanism. An isolation valve has a
lever operation. But of course I could be wrong. ;-)

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You've lost me too now. I've only ever seen one type of compression
fitting. A service valve to me is one used to isolate taps for washer
changing, and has a screw operated mechanism. An isolation valve has a
lever operation. But of course I could be wrong. ;-)

Oh, ok, with you. Get thee off to the SF book! In their parlance a
service valve is a screw operated fitting with a tap connector at one
end and a compression joint at the other. An isolation valve is a screw
operated doofa with a compression joint at both ends. Anything with a
lever or similar seems to be a "ball valve" (though the others are too,
of course. Argh!)

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Scott M wrote:
You've lost me too now. I've only ever seen one type of compression
fitting. A service valve to me is one used to isolate taps for washer
changing, and has a screw operated mechanism. An isolation valve has a
lever operation. But of course I could be wrong. ;-)

Oh, ok, with you. Get thee off to the SF book! In their parlance a
service valve is a screw operated fitting with a tap connector at one
end and a compression joint at the other. An isolation valve is a screw
operated doofa with a compression joint at both ends. Anything with a
lever or similar seems to be a "ball valve" (though the others are too,
of course. Argh!)

Heh heh. It's not unknown for those designing a site to make random
choices when naming stuff.

FWIW, I only ever use full flow lever isolation valves at home - I've got
a mainly low pressure water system.

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