There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and
what not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


--
geoff

On 17/04/2010 16:48, geoff wrote:

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and
what not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches



Panasonic

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....3ffd24d42bb09d

Another Dave

"geoff" wrote in message
...

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and what
not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


--
geoff



Panasonic SD 255 is the one to get. I bought one as a result of that thread
and it is a doddle to operate.

mark

In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and what
not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


--
geoff



Panasonic SD 255 is the one to get. I bought one as a result of that thread
and it is a doddle to operate.

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



--
geoff

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and
what
not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


--
geoff



Panasonic SD 255 is the one to get. I bought one as a result of that
thread
and it is a doddle to operate.

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



--
geoff

Next you will be asking her to use the bread maker for you.

Adam

In message , ARWadsworth
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and
what
not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


--
geoff



Panasonic SD 255 is the one to get. I bought one as a result of that
thread
and it is a doddle to operate.

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



--
geoff

Next you will be asking her to use the bread maker for you.

What do you think I am...

A servant or summat

(someone is SO going to pick up on that - Wm in the turnpike support NG
has already called me a misogynist and a racist )

--
geoff

On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

--
Rod

In message , geoff
writes
In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and what
not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


--
geoff



Panasonic SD 255 is the one to get. I bought one as a result of that thread
and it is a doddle to operate.

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)

So, got it now

Having a wife is SO much better than internet shopping

what's that less than an hour from asking what to get to having the
thing unpacked in the kitchen

That's instant gratification for you

No sniggling at the back wadsworth ...


--
geoff

In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

**** - are they open until 6pm ?



--
geoff

In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

OK ordered, but SWMBO (ha ha) has refused to go and get it today, she'll
do it tomorrow

So how mach cheaper could I have got the Cannon Connemara cooker which
we bought today for £430 ?

--
geoff

On 17/04/2010 18:47, geoff wrote:
In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

OK ordered, but SWMBO (ha ha) has refused to go and get it today, she'll
do it tomorrow

So how mach cheaper could I have got the Cannon Connemara cooker which
we bought today for £430 ?

£344 +19.99 delivery. Bizarrely, from Boots.

http://www.bootskitchenappliances.co...ification=true

--
Rod

Panasonic - never one with a glass window - condensation ruins the bread.

In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 18:47, geoff wrote:
In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

OK ordered, but SWMBO (ha ha) has refused to go and get it today, she'll
do it tomorrow

So how mach cheaper could I have got the Cannon Connemara cooker which
we bought today for £430 ?

£344 +19.99 delivery. Bizarrely, from Boots.

http://www.bootskitchenappliances.co...aspx?BackLink=
Product_Listings&ProductID=8557&ProductCode=C50LC IW_WH&ProdColourID=1323
6&specification=true

Wow - back to gas mark 1 on Monday


--
geoff

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , geoff writes
In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and
what
not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


--
geoff



Panasonic SD 255 is the one to get. I bought one as a result of that
thread
and it is a doddle to operate.

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)

So, got it now

Having a wife is SO much better than internet shopping


Would it count as internet shopping if you emailed her a list of things you
wanted fetching from the shops?

Adam

In message , ARWadsworth
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , geoff writes
In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and
what
not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


--
geoff



Panasonic SD 255 is the one to get. I bought one as a result of that
thread
and it is a doddle to operate.

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)

So, got it now

Having a wife is SO much better than internet shopping


Would it count as internet shopping if you emailed her a list of things you
wanted fetching from the shops?

Never tried

dunno

--
geoff

"Rod" wrote in message
...
On 17/04/2010 18:47, geoff wrote:
In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

OK ordered, but SWMBO (ha ha) has refused to go and get it today, she'll
do it tomorrow

So how mach cheaper could I have got the Cannon Connemara cooker which
we bought today for £430 ?

£344 +19.99 delivery. Bizarrely, from Boots.

http://www.bootskitchenappliances.co...ification=true

Shame they don't do it at argos, then currys will price match and give you
10% of the difference.
They don't match boots as they are web only unlike argos.

They are delivering my samsung washer dryer tomorrow, £416 and free
delivery.
Boots £421 +£19.99, Currys before the match £560.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
snip
We got the SD254 cheaper without the seed dispenser and we haven't
missed the feature. But either way it's a good machine.

How do you know you haven't missed it if you've never had it? :-)

I use the seed dispenser for most mixes.

My current favourites are a wholemeal seed loaf, and the olive bread recipe.

"geoff" wrote in message
...

There was a thread a while back regarding what bread maker to buy and what
not to

can someone please point me at a make / model

yes - I'm useless at google group searches


alt.bread.recipes has a good crowd of helpful people.

In article ,
"David WE Roberts" writes:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
snip
We got the SD254 cheaper without the seed dispenser and we haven't
missed the feature. But either way it's a good machine.

How do you know you haven't missed it if you've never had it? :-)

Mine doesn't have a seed dispenser, but that hasn't stopped be adding
seeds and many other things.

I use the seed dispenser for most mixes.

My current favourites are a wholemeal seed loaf, and the olive bread recipe.

I find with olives and other soft additives, they are best added
only 1-2 minutes before the end of the kneading, unless you want
them broken up. Also, I often add more than fits in the seed
dispensers.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 18:47, geoff wrote:
In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

OK ordered, but SWMBO (ha ha) has refused to go and get it today, she'll
do it tomorrow

So how mach cheaper could I have got the Cannon Connemara cooker which
we bought today for £430 ?

£344 +19.99 delivery. Bizarrely, from Boots.

http://www.bootskitchenappliances.co...aspx?BackLink=
Product_Listings&ProductID=8557&ProductCode=C50LC IW_WH&ProdColourID=1323
6&specification=true

That's the LPG version

which, for some reason, seems to be significantly cheaper than the
"natural gas" equivalent (girl in the call centre said it must be
because there aren't so many sold ... er what ?)

The natural gas version (incl del) comes to £436

Strangely, the same price as M&S who do free delivery and both use the
same call centre it would seem

So - £430 still seems to be the beast price so far


--
geoff

On 18/04/2010 13:05, geoff wrote:

That's the LPG version

which, for some reason, seems to be significantly cheaper than the
"natural gas" equivalent (girl in the call centre said it must be
because there aren't so many sold ... er what ?)

The natural gas version (incl del) comes to £436

Strangely, the same price as M&S who do free delivery and both use the
same call centre it would seem

So - £430 still seems to be the beast price so far


Ah - hadn't realised that. Odd though as I thought the difference was
just the jets?

http://www.kitchenscience.co.uk/cooking/freestanding_cookers/gas_cookers/cannon_c50gciw.html

Or, if a black one is what you want, try Dixons.

(Did I really just type that...?)

--
Rod

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 13:05:39 +0100, geoff wrote:
That's the LPG version

which, for some reason, seems to be significantly cheaper than the
"natural gas" equivalent (girl in the call centre said it must be
because there aren't so many sold ... er what ?)

The natural gas version (incl del) comes to £436


Perhaps the LPG version is subsidised by Calor and/or other LPG
suppliers?

In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

Right - that's the first loaf (basic white) baked

nice isn't it

--
geoff

On 18/04/2010 21:34, geoff wrote:

Right - that's the first loaf (basic white) baked

nice isn't it

Certainly used to enjoy it (SD253). But don't use it now - partner now
can't eat bread!

I recommend recipes such a French country loaf and others that have some
rye in them. Also the ciabbatta.

It's a shame you could take full control and set your own times for
every step of the process. Don't suppose anyone has managed to connect
it via USB?

--
Rod

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

Right - that's the first loaf (basic white) baked

nice isn't it


Congratulation on your first baby!
I found that the basic white is nice on the first day but goes off quite
quickly. Granary is my favourite.

mark

In article ,
"mark" writes:

"geoff" wrote in message
...
Right - that's the first loaf (basic white) baked

nice isn't it


Congratulation on your first baby!
I found that the basic white is nice on the first day but goes off quite
quickly. Granary is my favourite.

I found it quite difficult to have any left after the first day...

More fat (butter usually) will help a loaf keep it's freshness for
longer, but can also change the initial texture - depends what
you like.

I prefer white breads in a bread maker, although a brown or granary
loaded full of sunflower seeds (many more than you can get in the
seed hopper) is also nice.

Currently seem to be making mostly white milk loaf, painted with
thick dressing of poppy seeds before final bake. No one seems to be
able to resist that.

Another favourate is ciabatta with whole olives, and if I have them,
sun-dried tomatos. I used to make sandwiches for work from this,
and someone was rather alarmed at the sight of my sandwiches wrapped
in cling film with all the black, green, and red patches showing ;-)

We had some hot cross buns, although I discovered a few years ago that
it's actually nicer if you make it into a loaf and then slice it.

Rye bread with caroway seeds is nice, but the flour has to be high
protein and fresh, because the rye flour seems to dilute it's
effectiveness at bread making.

When you've got familiar with the first few loaves from the
instructions, it's worth trying to vary proportions to see what
effect it has. Most of the loaves I routinely make I have settled
on slightly different ratios of ingredients than the original
recipe suggested.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

mark wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message

Right - that's the first loaf (basic white) baked

nice isn't it


Congratulation on your first baby!
I found that the basic white is nice on the first day but goes off quite
quickly. Granary is my favourite.

What I do with a basic white, is to leave it overnight and then slice it
the next day. Split it into 3 and freeze 2 packs, as my wife likes other
types of bread.
I find that leaving it cooling over night it separates better while
still frozen. I tend to bake it so it is ready for about 6-00pm.

Dave

Tim Streater wrote:
In ,
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

When you've got familiar with the first few loaves from the
instructions, it's worth trying to vary proportions to see what
effect it has. Most of the loaves I routinely make I have settled
on slightly different ratios of ingredients than the original
recipe suggested.

Im tending to use less water, and no butter (Panny 254).

What I'm intrigued by is how the French get a traditional loaf so nice
and crusty, and very firm inside. For a while, I figured it might just
be due to using flour *milled in France*. I though this because, even
though Tesco says "made with French wheat" about their baguettes, they
are barely any better than any other unsliced Tesco offering.

So I wondered if flour (T55) bought in France would be better. It is,
slightly, but not by enough to be worth it. So any ideas as to how to
make a white loaf in a breadmaker with a *much* firmer texture?

The French use a very low protein wheat in their baking. Which leads to
the crisp outer, air interior and zero keeping qualities.

Bob

Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

When you've got familiar with the first few loaves from the
instructions, it's worth trying to vary proportions to see what
effect it has. Most of the loaves I routinely make I have settled
on slightly different ratios of ingredients than the original
recipe suggested.

Im tending to use less water, and no butter (Panny 254).

What I'm intrigued by is how the French get a traditional loaf so nice
and crusty, and very firm inside. For a while, I figured it might just
be due to using flour *milled in France*. I though this because, even
though Tesco says "made with French wheat" about their baguettes, they
are barely any better than any other unsliced Tesco offering.

So I wondered if flour (T55) bought in France would be better. It is,
slightly, but not by enough to be worth it. So any ideas as to how to
make a white loaf in a breadmaker with a *much* firmer texture?

I have just obtained, but not yet used some genuine French bread flour
grown and milled in France and sold by the Wessex Mill Co.
www.wessexmill.co.uk
Minimum order is 6 bags at 1.5 kg

Dave

Bob Minchin wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In ,
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

When you've got familiar with the first few loaves from the
instructions, it's worth trying to vary proportions to see what
effect it has. Most of the loaves I routinely make I have settled
on slightly different ratios of ingredients than the original
recipe suggested.

Im tending to use less water, and no butter (Panny 254).

What I'm intrigued by is how the French get a traditional loaf so nice
and crusty, and very firm inside. For a while, I figured it might just
be due to using flour *milled in France*. I though this because, even
though Tesco says "made with French wheat" about their baguettes, they
are barely any better than any other unsliced Tesco offering.

So I wondered if flour (T55) bought in France would be better. It is,
slightly, but not by enough to be worth it. So any ideas as to how to
make a white loaf in a breadmaker with a *much* firmer texture?

The French use a very low protein wheat in their baking. Which leads to
the crisp outer, air interior and zero keeping qualities.

The 3 bags I have described don't mention the protein level.

Dave

Huge wrote:
On 2010-04-19, Dave wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

When you've got familiar with the first few loaves from the
instructions, it's worth trying to vary proportions to see what
effect it has. Most of the loaves I routinely make I have settled
on slightly different ratios of ingredients than the original
recipe suggested.
Im tending to use less water, and no butter (Panny 254).

What I'm intrigued by is how the French get a traditional loaf so nice
and crusty, and very firm inside.

Don't French bread ovens do something with steam?

Yes, I don't have a link for it, but I watched a clip about this about 9
months ago, where, domestically, you get the oven up to temp, with a
heavy gauge baking tray in it and place the baguettes on it and spray
with water, cover with what I can only describe as an old fashioned
serving tray lid and bake for 15 minutes. Take the lid off and spray
again and bake for a further 15 minutes. After this, you take off the
lid and bake for another 15 minutes.


Dave

In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , Rod
writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

Right - that's the first loaf (basic white) baked

nice isn't it


Congratulation on your first baby!
I found that the basic white is nice on the first day but goes off quite
quickly. Granary is my favourite.

Oh definitely, but when you only have white flour available, granary is
a bit difficult to make without floor sweepings etrc


--
geoff

In article ,
Tim Streater writes:
Im tending to use less water, and no butter (Panny 254).

What I'm intrigued by is how the French get a traditional loaf so nice
and crusty, and very firm inside. For a while, I figured it might just
be due to using flour *milled in France*. I though this because, even
though Tesco says "made with French wheat" about their baguettes, they
are barely any better than any other unsliced Tesco offering.

So I wondered if flour (T55) bought in France would be better. It is,
slightly, but not by enough to be worth it. So any ideas as to how to
make a white loaf in a breadmaker with a *much* firmer texture?

I don't like french bread much (OK once in a while for a change,
but not for my regular bread), so it's not something I strive to
achieve.

You can get large holes/bubbles by kneading the dough less. Back in
the days of making it by hand (which I used to do occasionally),
it was a symptom of not enough kneading. The kneading process is
(amongst other things) smashing down the small bubbles which start
to form into more even smaller bubbles, and affects the eventual
number and size of bubbles in the loaf.

If you wanted to experiment with this, you could try lifting the
bread container out of the machine for the second half of the
kneading process. (On my machine, it kneads for about 20 minutes,
so lift out for the second 10 minutes, and then put back when it's
finished the kneading phase.)

Like someone else said, it would be interesting to be able to
program such changes.

Protein content is important too -- too little and the bubble
walls are too weak and break by themselves, but this can happen
as a chain reaction and generate large voids in the loaf, or it
can collapse completely. Protein content in flour seems to have
increased over the decades, and some flour which is not sold for
bread making probably has enough to work. The minimum protein
content for white bread flour is normally considered to be
11g/100g of flour, and "string" (bread) flour is normally around
13g/100g. Some non-bread flours now just about hit 11g/100g,
so you could try using one of those instead, or even dropping
below 11g/100g.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
and "string" (bread) flour is normally around

s/string/srong/

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , Rod

writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

Right - that's the first loaf (basic white) baked

nice isn't it


Congratulation on your first baby!
I found that the basic white is nice on the first day but goes off quite
quickly. Granary is my favourite.

Oh definitely, but when you only have white flour available, granary is a
bit difficult to make without floor sweepings etrc


Granary flour made by Hovis and available in your local supermarket.

mark

On 19 Apr, 18:34, Tim Streater wrote:

What I'm intrigued by is how the French get a traditional loaf so nice
and crusty, and very firm inside. For a while, I figured it might just
be due to using flour *milled in France*. I though this because, even
though Tesco says "made with French wheat" about their baguettes, they
are barely any better than any other unsliced Tesco offering.

I used to drive a forklift at a huge continental bakery plant. All the
flour for the French bread came over in bulk tanker lorries from
France. The owner was a dodgy mafia type who would cut corners
everywhere he could, so if it were possible to make decent French
bread from locally sourced flour then he would have done, so on that
basis I'd say that there's definitely a significant difference between
French flour and ours.

On 20/04/2010 14:00, mark wrote:
wrote in message
...

Oh definitely, but when you only have white flour available, granary is a
bit difficult to make without floor sweepings etrc


Granary flour made by Hovis and available in your local supermarket.


Contains supermarket floorsweepings ....





Er, I'll get my brush.

--
Adrian C

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:54:22 -0700 (PDT), pcb1962
wrote:

On 19 Apr, 18:34, Tim Streater wrote:

What I'm intrigued by is how the French get a traditional loaf so nice
and crusty, and very firm inside. For a while, I figured it might just
be due to using flour *milled in France*. I though this because, even
though Tesco says "made with French wheat" about their baguettes, they
are barely any better than any other unsliced Tesco offering.

I used to drive a forklift at a huge continental bakery plant. All the
flour for the French bread came over in bulk tanker lorries from
France. The owner was a dodgy mafia type who would cut corners
everywhere he could, so if it were possible to make decent French
bread from locally sourced flour then he would have done, so on that
basis I'd say that there's definitely a significant difference between
French flour and ours.


I believe it is made from a different variety of wheat, one that is
not widely grown in the UK.

In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , mark
writes

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , Rod

writes
On 17/04/2010 17:12, geoff wrote:

Thanks both of you

Sd-255 is ££97.49 in Argos - I'll send the mrs down to buy one


(see how lazy I can be when I try ...)



Or John Lewis £74.30?

Right - that's the first loaf (basic white) baked

nice isn't it


Congratulation on your first baby!
I found that the basic white is nice on the first day but goes off quite
quickly. Granary is my favourite.

Oh definitely, but when you only have white flour available, granary is a
bit difficult to make without floor sweepings etrc


Granary flour made by Hovis and available in your local supermarket.

Not on a sunday afternoon when you can't be arsed to go out it isn't

also - one step at a time - a bit of cotton wool first to try the thing
out


--
geoff