Not with the occassional Mars bar, but with wet stuff.
If so, which one?
Cheers.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:35:22 -0000, "brass monkey" wrote:

Not with the occassional Mars bar, but with wet stuff.
If so, which one?

Creosote. The real stuff.

You can buy it in bulk (= 25 'litres') for non-domestic use, such as
telegraph and power poles, railways sleepers, farm fence-posts, sheds,
and so on.

TBH it's never been bettered, despite numerous serious tests with
truly poisonous compounds of sodium fluoride, phenols, arsenic,
various chromates etc (Wolman Salts), copper sulphate and so on.

The stuff sold in the sheds is really only wood dye.

--
Frank Erskine

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:24:00 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote:

The stuff sold in the sheds is really only wood dye.

It depends. Recently I have seen water-based "creocote" and the
genuine oil/spirit-based stuff. I have used the latter when creoSote
was no longer available and the product worked exactly like creoSote.
No difference. Same soak-in property, same stench, same long-term
durability.

MM

MM wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:24:00 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote:

The stuff sold in the sheds is really only wood dye.

It depends. Recently I have seen water-based "creocote" and the
genuine oil/spirit-based stuff. I have used the latter when creoSote
was no longer available and the product worked exactly like creoSote.
No difference. Same soak-in property, same stench, same long-term
durability.

MM

Interesting. It's obviously something that lends itself to
emulsification. I believe they were using water based bitumen during WW2

brass monkey wrote:
Not with the occassional Mars bar, but with wet stuff.

I would, for two reasons. It keeps the colour, acoiding that dirty silver
grey look and you can never protect timber too much.

If so, which one?

B&Q own label is as good as any IME.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
brass monkey wrote:
Not with the occassional Mars bar, but with wet stuff.

I would, for two reasons. It keeps the colour, acoiding that dirty silver
grey look and you can never protect timber too much.

To me the silver grey looks a lot better than the garish Ronseal type
colours.



If so, which one?

B&Q own label is as good as any IME.

MM wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:24:00 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote:

The stuff sold in the sheds is really only wood dye.

It depends. Recently I have seen water-based "creocote" and the
genuine oil/spirit-based stuff. I have used the latter when creoSote
was no longer available and the product worked exactly like creoSote.
No difference. Same soak-in property, same stench, same long-term
durability.

MM

Proper creosote is still available. Go to your local
agricultural/fencing timber supplier and ask for their advice.

They will have oil-based approved creosote substitute, waster based
creosote substitute and real industrial-quality creosote (but usually
only in large quantities).

When you ask for the real stuff and the sales assistant says "Is this
for the farm?" the correct answer is "Yes".

http://www.hse.gov.uk/biocides/copr/creosote.htm

http://www.palacechemicals.co.uk/FenceProducts.htm

Dave Osborne wrote:
MM wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:24:00 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote:

The stuff sold in the sheds is really only wood dye.

It depends. Recently I have seen water-based "creocote" and the
genuine oil/spirit-based stuff. I have used the latter when creoSote
was no longer available and the product worked exactly like creoSote.
No difference. Same soak-in property, same stench, same long-term
durability.

MM

Proper creosote is still available. Go to your local
agricultural/fencing timber supplier and ask for their advice.

They will have oil-based approved creosote substitute, waster based
creosote substitute and real industrial-quality creosote (but usually
only in large quantities).

When you ask for the real stuff and the sales assistant says "Is this
for the farm?" the correct answer is "Yes".

Isn't the correct answer Oooh Arrr?

:-)


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:35:22 -0000, "brass monkey" wrote:

Not with the occassional Mars bar, but with wet stuff.
If so, which one?

Creosote. The real stuff.

It doesn't work.
There have been a lot of tests that show it doesn't work when its painted
on.

Assuming the shed has a waterproof roof with adequate overhangs and isn't
sitting in a puddle there is no need to treat a wooden shed anyway.
It should dry out before root can set in and all that happens is it goes a
different colour.
Hence the dyes to make it whatever colour you want.

Its the same with fences, mine is now 30 years old.. the creosoted posts
have long rotted (concrete spurs are your friend) but the feather edge is
still there, never been treated with creosote since new and only twice with
dye to make it a pretty colour (according to the wife).

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:25:18 +0100, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Dave Osborne wrote:
MM wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:24:00 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote:

The stuff sold in the sheds is really only wood dye.

It depends. Recently I have seen water-based "creocote" and the
genuine oil/spirit-based stuff. I have used the latter when creoSote
was no longer available and the product worked exactly like creoSote.
No difference. Same soak-in property, same stench, same long-term
durability.

MM

Proper creosote is still available. Go to your local
agricultural/fencing timber supplier and ask for their advice.

They will have oil-based approved creosote substitute, waster based
creosote substitute and real industrial-quality creosote (but usually
only in large quantities).

When you ask for the real stuff and the sales assistant says "Is this
for the farm?" the correct answer is "Yes".

Isn't the correct answer Oooh Arrr?

Or: Got any string to hold me trousers up?

MM

Painted on creosote will not prevent rot.
But it will prevent moss and algea growth which can blacken fences etc. I
use light-coloured creosote substitute when I want wood to remain clean
with a slight chestnut colour. Preventing moss also makes decking less
slippery.

DAvy