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Extending a wall
I need to extend an internal wall but only by about four inches. It
sticks out into a kitchen and needs to be a bit longer to reduce the doorway gap. It is built from some form of concrete block, more a cinder block than thermalite and the end of each alternate row is a single upended brick. The finished wall will be plastered. As far as I can see there are several alternatives. 1 – Cement an additional column of upended bricks to the end. 2 – Chip out the upright bricks and cement in bits of thermalite block so it continues to be interlocking. 3 – Screw a piece of timber to the end with spacer pieces to ensure it is in the right position. Infill with brick/cement. Then put gauze over the new section before plastering. 4 – As 3 but hack off all the plaster and plasterboard in one go. What does the team think would provide the best solution. Andrew |
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3 – Screw a piece of timber to the end with spacer pieces to ensure it is in the right position. Infill with brick/cement. Then put gauze over the new section before plastering. Yes, but no need for the brick/cement infill. Use framing timber, and lots of fixings. 50*100mm studs would be fine. I would do this in conjunction with fitting the door frame. Masonry screws (e.g. multimonti) to fix the first stud to wall end (probably uneven/off-vertical). Do the same for the other side of the door frame. Then fix (big screws, e.g. 6*100mm spax) the head timber that goes directly above the door frame solidly between the two vertical timbers attached to masonry. Then screw a second stud to the first with such spacers as necessary to bring it vertical and to the right position for the door frame. Then any infill studs needed above the door frame. Then plasterboard over the timber. |
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On Feb 12, 10:07*am, Andrew May wrote:
I need to extend an internal wall but only by about four inches. It sticks out into a kitchen and needs to be a bit longer to reduce the doorway gap. It is built from some form of concrete block, more a cinder block than thermalite and the end of each alternate row is a single upended brick. The finished wall will be plastered. As far as I can see there are several alternatives. 1 – Cement an additional column of upended bricks to the end. 2 – Chip out the upright bricks and cement in bits of thermalite block so it continues to be interlocking. 3 – Screw a piece of timber to the end with spacer pieces to ensure it is in the right position. Infill with brick/cement. Then put gauze over the new section before plastering. 4 – As 3 but hack off all the plaster and plasterboard in one go. What does the team think would provide the best solution. Andrew None of the above. For 4" just do it all in timber. MBQ |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Andrew May
wrote: I need to extend an internal wall but only by about four inches. It sticks out into a kitchen and needs to be a bit longer to reduce the doorway gap. It is built from some form of concrete block, more a cinder block than thermalite and the end of each alternate row is a single upended brick. The finished wall will be plastered. As far as I can see there are several alternatives. 1 – Cement an additional column of upended bricks to the end. 2 – Chip out the upright bricks and cement in bits of thermalite block so it continues to be interlocking. 3 – Screw a piece of timber to the end with spacer pieces to ensure it is in the right position. Infill with brick/cement. Then put gauze over the new section before plastering. 4 – As 3 but hack off all the plaster and plasterboard in one go. What does the team think would provide the best solution. Andrew There's little doubt in my mind that (2) is the best solution. (1) is unlikely to work because you won't get good bonding, and the new bit will crack away. I suppose that (3) *might* work. (4) sounds like a hell of a lot of work, and it's not that easy to remove plaster in a way which leaves a flat surface. The *easiest* solution would be just to add a solid bit of timber of the right size and clad it with plasterboard, and skim it to blend in with the original plaster. The only problem with that is that - over time - you'll get hairine cracks between the old and new bits. -- Cheers, Roger _______ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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Roger Mills
wibbled on Friday 12 February 2010 11:37 In an earlier contribution to this discussion, Andrew May wrote: I need to extend an internal wall but only by about four inches. It sticks out into a kitchen and needs to be a bit longer to reduce the doorway gap. It is built from some form of concrete block, more a cinder block than thermalite and the end of each alternate row is a single upended brick. The finished wall will be plastered. As far as I can see there are several alternatives. 1 � Cement an additional column of upended bricks to the end. 2 � Chip out the upright bricks and cement in bits of thermalite block so it continues to be interlocking. 3 � Screw a piece of timber to the end with spacer pieces to ensure it is in the right position. Infill with brick/cement. Then put gauze over the new section before plastering. 4 � As 3 but hack off all the plaster and plasterboard in one go. What does the team think would provide the best solution. Andrew There's little doubt in my mind that (2) is the best solution. (1) is unlikely to work because you won't get good bonding, and the new bit will crack away. I suppose that (3) *might* work. (4) sounds like a hell of a lot of work, and it's not that easy to remove plaster in a way which leaves a flat surface. There is an intermediate solution: Drill a vertical column of holes up the end of the blockwork, so that each hole will align with a brick course mortar joint. Aim for one hole every 2-3 bricks. Resin in a length of stud (M10-M12) inserting about 4" into the block and leaving about 4" protruding. Build brickwork incorporating stud well into the mortar joint - I would (and have) break all the rules and use a 3:1 mix and damp the bricks down first for a max strength joint. I interlocked properly when I did a similar job, but that was to an existing brick wall, so it was a simple matter to take out the half bricks. I used the resin+stud trick though when reducing a window opening leaf and had to use upended bricks rotated 90 degrees - ie reduce by the brick depth rather than the width. I feel reasonably confident it will work quite well in this application. With interlocking the bricks, you will be able to belt it with a clubhammer and it wont move (given a couple of weeks set). With the resin+studs, it won't be *that* strong but it will probably be stronger than a lot of other methods... -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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"Andrew May" wrote in message ... I need to extend an internal wall but only by about four inches. It sticks out into a kitchen and needs to be a bit longer to reduce the doorway gap. It is built from some form of concrete block, more a cinder block than thermalite and the end of each alternate row is a single upended brick. The finished wall will be plastered. As far as I can see there are several alternatives. 1 – Cement an additional column of upended bricks to the end. 2 – Chip out the upright bricks and cement in bits of thermalite block so it continues to be interlocking. 3 – Screw a piece of timber to the end with spacer pieces to ensure it is in the right position. Infill with brick/cement. Then put gauze over the new section before plastering. 4 – As 3 but hack off all the plaster and plasterboard in one go. What does the team think would provide the best solution. Andrew If you leave a hollow column, then it can be used as a riser for cables/pipes if this is of use. |
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On Feb 12, 10:07*am, Andrew May wrote:
I need to extend an internal wall but only by about four inches. It sticks out into a kitchen and needs to be a bit longer to reduce the doorway gap. It is built from some form of concrete block, more a cinder block than thermalite and the end of each alternate row is a single upended brick. The finished wall will be plastered. As far as I can see there are several alternatives. 1 – Cement an additional column of upended bricks to the end. 2 – Chip out the upright bricks and cement in bits of thermalite block so it continues to be interlocking. 3 – Screw a piece of timber to the end with spacer pieces to ensure it is in the right position. Infill with brick/cement. Then put gauze over the new section before plastering. 4 – As 3 but hack off all the plaster and plasterboard in one go. What does the team think would provide the best solution. Andrew Another optoin is just thick plaster or cement over EML. With a good thick depth its very tough. NT |
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