I am after a quantity of R63 reflector light bulbs...

Easy you may reply

BUT

I am after some energy saving ones!

I currently have 13 of the power hungry 60W things around the house, and
feel it would be far better if I replaced them all with an energy saving
equivalent (6 of them are in the kitchen, and seem to be always on!)

I have googled and googled until I am sick of googling, but all I can seem
to find is a 5w one (30w equivalent) which is way off the mark!

I need them to have at least 650 Lumens of light output, and have an ES/E27
cap

Is there such a thing out there!?

Sparks...

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:05:49 +0100, "Sparks" wrote:

I am after a quantity of R63 reflector light bulbs...

Easy you may reply

BUT

I am after some energy saving ones!

I currently have 13 of the power hungry 60W things around the house, and
feel it would be far better if I replaced them all with an energy saving
equivalent (6 of them are in the kitchen, and seem to be always on!)

I have googled and googled until I am sick of googling, but all I can seem
to find is a 5w one (30w equivalent) which is way off the mark!

This one ?
http://www.lampman.co.uk/javastuf/ht...ERG_1_Qwt.html

I'd agree - 5W is going to be very feeble.

I need them to have at least 650 Lumens of light output, and have an ES/E27
cap

Is there such a thing out there!?

I've not seen any. You might get halogen equivalents. Or you could save
some money on bulbs if not electricity and go for Screwfix's long-life
variety (I have a stock and they do last significantly longer).

--
John
Mail john rather than nospam...

I have googled and googled until I am sick of googling, but all I can
seem
to find is a 5w one (30w equivalent) which is way off the mark!

This one ?
http://www.lampman.co.uk/javastuf/ht...ERG_1_Qwt.html

I'd agree - 5W is going to be very feeble.

Yup, that be one of them!

I need them to have at least 650 Lumens of light output, and have an
ES/E27
cap

Is there such a thing out there!?

I've not seen any. You might get halogen equivalents. Or you could save
some money on bulbs if not electricity and go for Screwfix's long-life
variety (I have a stock and they do last significantly longer).

If all else fails, I may go for some of them - I always seem to be replacing
the damn things!

Thanks for the suggestion!

Sparks...

Sparks wrote:
I have googled and googled until I am sick of googling, but all I can
seem
to find is a 5w one (30w equivalent) which is way off the mark!

This one ?
http://www.lampman.co.uk/javastuf/ht...ERG_1_Qwt.html

I'd agree - 5W is going to be very feeble.

Yup, that be one of them!

I need them to have at least 650 Lumens of light output, and have an
ES/E27
cap

Is there such a thing out there!?

I've not seen any. You might get halogen equivalents. Or you could save
some money on bulbs if not electricity and go for Screwfix's long-life
variety (I have a stock and they do last significantly longer).

If all else fails, I may go for some of them - I always seem to be replacing
the damn things!

Denmans Electrical sell them, they had them on offer a little while
ago and I bought a couple. I'm pretty sure they're more than 5 watts
but I'm not absolutely sure and I don't have a new catalogue here with
me. The one's I have seem at least as bright as the incandescent
versions.

--
Chris Green )

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me. The one's I have seem at least as bright as the incandescent

Eek, did I do that! "ones".

--
Chris Green )

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wrote:
me. The one's I have seem at least as bright as the incandescent

Eek, did I do that! "ones".

Not having trouble placing your apostrophe's are you Chris? ;o)

In article ,
"Sparks" writes:
I am after a quantity of R63 reflector light bulbs...

Easy you may reply

BUT

I am after some energy saving ones!

I had the same issue in commercial premises.
A further issue was that even the existing R63's left the
area rather gloomy. I replaced the lamps with GE's Genura,
which is a 23W electrodeless compact fluorescent. This change
was extremely effective. There are some issues here though...

o The Genura is an R80 replacement really, and so won't
physically fit in all R63 fittings -- mine had a black
ring which unclipped and allowed R80's to fit. (That wasn't
what the ring was for or why it unclipped.)
o Genura is a flood lamp, not a spotlamp -- in my case this
was a good thing, but it might not be what you're after.
o The Genura is expensive compared with other compact
fluoresents, but if you do the calculations, it still
saves you loads over filament lamps. However shop around,
particularly from electrical wholesalers -- you'll
probably do much better than buying 13 of them from B&Q.
(Try a single one first, obviously.)
o The Genura has a light output in excess of 100W lamp --
this will make the area much brighter. (AFAIK, the Genura
is the only compact fluorescent which produces more light
than the filament lamp it replaces of the same physical size.)
o The Genura is only manufactured in 3000K and 3500K colour
temperature. Compact fluorescents for home use are normally
2700K to match filament lamps, so there won't be a perfect
match with other filament lamps and compact fluorescents
you have. OTOH, the increase in light output, in many
situations, will also make the increase in colour temperature
look reasonable.
o The Genura has a runup time of around 2 minutes. Initial
light output is around half the output when warmed up.
I would doubt that frequent switching would effect life
(unlike normal compact fluorescents), but the longish runup
means it would not be suitable in many cases where you might
want to switch it frequently.
o The life of individual lamps is much more variable than that
of filament or regular compact fluorescents. They run until
the electronics die. The cooler you run them, the longer they
are likely to last. I've had many still running when the phosphor
coating starts wearing out -- you never achieve that with
standard fluorescent lamps as the electrodes die long before
that happens. Hence, you may need to replace some before they
completely die to get light output back up, but they will
probably have done over 20,000 hours by then, so they owe you
nothing.

--
Andrew Gabriel

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wrote:
me. The one's I have seem at least as bright as the incandescent

Eek, did I do that! "ones".

--
Chris Green )

I knew what you meant!

Thanks for the lead, I have emailed them, and they have given me the email
address of one of their local branches
....I will await a reply from them!

Thanks!

Sparks...

I had the same issue in commercial premises.
A further issue was that even the existing R63's left the
area rather gloomy. I replaced the lamps with GE's Genura,
which is a 23W electrodeless compact fluorescent. This change
was extremely effective. There are some issues here though...

o The Genura is an R80 replacement really, and so won't
physically fit in all R63 fittings -- mine had a black
ring which unclipped and allowed R80's to fit. (That wasn't
what the ring was for or why it unclipped.)

Ok, the lights I have also have a black ring -
I will buy an R80 normal bulb, and see if I can squeeze it in!

o Genura is a flood lamp, not a spotlamp -- in my case this
was a good thing, but it might not be what you're after.

There are 6 of them in my kitchen, in eyeball spots,
they are the only thing used to light the room, so I would
think the flood's would be fine (if not better!)

o The Genura is expensive compared with other compact
fluoresents, but if you do the calculations, it still
saves you loads over filament lamps. However shop around,
particularly from electrical wholesalers -- you'll
probably do much better than buying 13 of them from B&Q.

I have seen an R80 energy saving in B&Q, not sure of the make, but it was
well expensive!
(well, compared with the price of IKEA CFL's anyway!!)

....here they are £19.98 ea
http://tinyurl.com/s4kx

(Try a single one first, obviously.)
o The Genura has a light output in excess of 100W lamp --
this will make the area much brighter. (AFAIK, the Genura
is the only compact fluorescent which produces more light
than the filament lamp it replaces of the same physical size.)

This is not a bad thing!

o The Genura is only manufactured in 3000K and 3500K colour
temperature. Compact fluorescents for home use are normally
2700K to match filament lamps, so there won't be a perfect
match with other filament lamps and compact fluorescents
you have. OTOH, the increase in light output, in many
situations, will also make the increase in colour temperature
look reasonable.

I will have to try one to see

o The Genura has a runup time of around 2 minutes. Initial
light output is around half the output when warmed up.
I would doubt that frequent switching would effect life
(unlike normal compact fluorescents), but the longish runup
means it would not be suitable in many cases where you might
want to switch it frequently.

Not a problem here, the lights get turned on in the kitchen, and seem to
stay on!

o The life of individual lamps is much more variable than that
of filament or regular compact fluorescents. They run until
the electronics die. The cooler you run them, the longer they
are likely to last. I've had many still running when the phosphor
coating starts wearing out -- you never achieve that with
standard fluorescent lamps as the electrodes die long before
that happens. Hence, you may need to replace some before they
completely die to get light output back up, but they will
probably have done over 20,000 hours by then, so they owe you
nothing.

This is also very good news, they are going to be installed in a ceiling
with a large open loft space above - I can make sure there is no insulation
covering them to keep them as cool as possible!


Thanks for the suggestion, I will pop out tomorrow to get an R80 to see if
it will fit!

Sparks...

"Sparks" wrote in message ...
I am after a quantity of R63 reflector light bulbs...

Easy you may reply

BUT

I am after some energy saving ones!

Hi Sparks & the others, -- R63 5W lamp --
A rather different thread - my energy saving / cosy evening light tip.

I have ONE of the above lights in my kicthen, in the corner by the
kettle,
5W from CPC, in an R63 size. Its on its own 2-w switch circuit. The
one I have gives off quite a nice green-ish glow.

Its great for these darker nights & we often leave it on all evening,
eg. making a cuppa after watching TV or letting the pooch out, or
getting up in the night to let pooch out or "tell" him to shut up (!!)

I also have six normal R63 ones for cooking etc. You need your shades
on when first turn these on!
In another double R63 (it is a big kitchen/ dining rm area) I have
fitted 50W halogen R63s to this which are nicer, but not a lot more £.

IMO it is nice to have different lights for different activities, esp.
in a kitchen.

Andrew G's fancy ones look interesting.

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ...

I replaced the lamps with GE's Genura, which is a 23W
electrodeless compact fluorescent.

I've heard of these, but realise I don't know how they work. Does
"electrodeless" imply RF-excited, like the Philips QL system, or something
else completely? The 20,000 hr lifetime you quote is much less than for the
Philips, so perhaps the latter...?

--
Andy