Phil L wrote:
mogga wrote:
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

sometimes they are installed outside in the pavement, but if this isn't
possible, they are placed inside, but they don't take up much room.

Mine was installed for free by united utilities (NW area) with a condition
that allows me to have it removed at any time within the first 12 months.
My old water bill for the year was £411, they are now taking £18 per month
off me, but I've estimated that at least a third of this will be coming back
as a rebate, making my water bill actually around £144 anually.

Their website has a water calculator, and if you answer honestly to each
question, it gives a fairly accurate estimate of the amount you will use in
a year:

http://www.unitedutilities.com/WaterMeterCalc.htm

Your own water company will have one on their website, but I assume they all
charge the same or similar per cube


There are seven in my household - I've just used that calculator and it
reckons that my bill will be around £750 a year (even though we are
frugal with water), as opposed to £320 per year now. I pray they do not
become compulsory...

Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

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"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

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Depends how clean they are :-)

I actually contacted our water authority and asked, they worked it out for
me and suggested there wouldn't be much of a saving if I had any saving, and
I would have to pay - I forget how much - to have the meter installed

"Ron O'Brien" wrote in message
...

"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

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Depends how clean they are :-)

I actually contacted our water authority and asked, they worked it out for
me and suggested there wouldn't be much of a saving if I had any saving,
and I would have to pay - I forget how much - to have the meter installed

Mine was free - Severn Trent.

"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

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What do you pay at the moment? The "old" rates are based on the "ratabale
value" of your home which IIRC is nominally the rental value of that
property in 1991. I have no idea how it is scaled for houses built after
that date. A very byzantine system.

I have 2 Adults and 4 children.

Water usage is about 400 cu. metres per year. Cost about £400 per
year....and we do not especially economise. I suspect this is a bargain
compared to unmetered in our case.

In article ,
John wrote:
I actually contacted our water authority and asked, they worked it out for
me and suggested there wouldn't be much of a saving if I had any saving,
and I would have to pay - I forget how much - to have the meter installed

Mine was free - Severn Trent.


Mine was compulsary - Folkestone and Dover water company.

Not had a bill since...but I'm not expecting it to be cheaper :-(

Darren

"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

In my experience you seem to break even at 4 persons in the house. You could
be onto a winner.

And how much pipe do they need?

Mine is just substituted for the mains outside stopcock.
Wait until your water board makes an "offer" of free installation. They are
all keen to get customers switched.

"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

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Water rates are based on the old RateableValue.

Roughly speaking:
If your house is bigger than average and your consumption is less than
average you will benefit quite a bit.
If your house is smaller than average and your consumption higher, then
going to a meter is not for you.

A water meter would probably benefit you if you are not a hose pipe addict
and don't have teenagers showering twice a day etc.

mark

mogga wrote:
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

sometimes they are installed outside in the pavement, but if this isn't
possible, they are placed inside, but they don't take up much room.

Mine was installed for free by united utilities (NW area) with a condition
that allows me to have it removed at any time within the first 12 months.
My old water bill for the year was £411, they are now taking £18 per month
off me, but I've estimated that at least a third of this will be coming back
as a rebate, making my water bill actually around £144 anually.

Their website has a water calculator, and if you answer honestly to each
question, it gives a fairly accurate estimate of the amount you will use in
a year:

http://www.unitedutilities.com/WaterMeterCalc.htm

Your own water company will have one on their website, but I assume they all
charge the same or similar per cube

--
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RSRL Tipster Of The Year 2008

"Vortex4" wrote in message
...

"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

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http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

What do you pay at the moment? The "old" rates are based on the "ratabale
value" of your home which IIRC is nominally the rental value of that
property in 1991. I have no idea how it is scaled for houses built after
that date. A very byzantine system.

It is not scaled for houses built after that date. The houses had water
meters fitted.

Adam

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
mogga wrote:

Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

Why not do like I did, and fit your own? Then you can monitor your usage and
work out whether you'd be better or worse off if your supply was officially
metered.

Mine replaces about 5" of pipe. I think the water-board-supplied ones are
about the same.

FWIW, I've just taken a photo of it, which you can see at
http://www.mills37.plus.com/Water_meter.JPG Not the best of photos, taken
under the sink, in the dark, using flash. [It's still better than most of
TMH's photographic efforts! g]
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wrote

"mogga" wrote in message
.. .
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

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Depends how clean they are :-)

I actually contacted our water authority and asked, they worked it out
for me and suggested there wouldn't be much of a saving if I had any
saving, and I would have to pay - I forget how much - to have the meter
installed


My local water company offer free fitting with the option to change
back to the old billing method within the first year. The meter stays
and the next owner of the house is metered from day one.
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Roger Mills wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
mogga wrote:

Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

Why not do like I did, and fit your own? Then you can monitor your
usage and work out whether you'd be better or worse off if your
supply was officially metered.

Mine replaces about 5" of pipe. I think the water-board-supplied ones
are about the same.

FWIW, I've just taken a photo of it, which you can see at
http://www.mills37.plus.com/Water_meter.JPG Not the best of photos,
taken under the sink, in the dark, using flash. [It's still better
than most of TMH's photographic efforts! g]

Oi !


--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

ARWadsworth wrote:

"Vortex4" wrote in message
...

"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

--
http://www.Christmasfreebies.co.uk
http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

What do you pay at the moment? The "old" rates are based on the
"ratabale value" of your home which IIRC is nominally the rental value
of that property in 1991. I have no idea how it is scaled for houses
built after that date. A very byzantine system.

It is not scaled for houses built after that date. The houses had water
meters fitted.

Adam
Not all houses. Ours was built in 1998 and has a 'notional' rateable
value which I suspect is low for a small 4 bed detached. Total payments
for supply and waste (different companies) is £380

Malcolm

mark wrote:
"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

Water rates are based on the old RateableValue.

Roughly speaking:
If your house is bigger than average and your consumption is less than
average you will benefit quite a bit.
If your house is smaller than average and your consumption higher, then
going to a meter is not for you.

ISTR there's a rule of thumb which says that if you have fewer people in
the house than the number of bedrooms, you're better off with a metered
supply.

Can't vouch for the accuracy/truth of that, but it sounds plausible...

David

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
The Medway Handyman wrote:

Roger Mills wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

FWIW, I've just taken a photo of it, which you can see at
http://www.mills37.plus.com/Water_meter.JPG Not the best of photos,
taken under the sink, in the dark, using flash. [It's still better
than most of TMH's photographic efforts! g]

Oi !

Sorry, and all that - but mine *is* in focus, despite the lighting being
less than ideal.
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Lobster wrote:

mark wrote:
"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

Water rates are based on the old RateableValue.

Roughly speaking:
If your house is bigger than average and your consumption is less
than average you will benefit quite a bit.
If your house is smaller than average and your consumption higher,
then going to a meter is not for you.

ISTR there's a rule of thumb which says that if you have fewer people
in the house than the number of bedrooms, you're better off with a
metered supply.

Can't vouch for the accuracy/truth of that, but it sounds plausible...

David

It also depends on the habits of the individuals concerned. Until about a
year ago, we had my 90+ year-old father-in-law living with us. He used to
leak quite a lot - thus needing frequent baths, and toilet flushes, and
clothes washing - so we used a hell of a lot of water, and would have saved
very little by having a meter, despite having only 3 people in a 4-bedroom
house. Since he died our water consumption has reduced dramatically - and
I'm about to apply for a meter to be fitted.
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:02:39 +0000, Ron O'Brien wrote:

I actually contacted our water authority and asked, they worked it out
for me and suggested there wouldn't be much of a saving if I had any
saving, and I would have to pay - I forget how much - to have the meter
installed

Being a DIY-er I worked it out for myself :-)

I forget the exact figures I arrived at but the executive summary was that
you'd have had to have an obsessive-compulsive bath-taking disorder[1] to
have lost out with a meter.




[1] with apologies to all those with obsessive-compulsive bath-taking
disorders


--
John Stumbles

Question Authority

On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:27:19 +0000, Maria
wrote:

Phil L wrote:
mogga wrote:
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

sometimes they are installed outside in the pavement, but if this isn't
possible, they are placed inside, but they don't take up much room.

Mine was installed for free by united utilities (NW area) with a condition
that allows me to have it removed at any time within the first 12 months.
My old water bill for the year was £411, they are now taking £18 per month
off me, but I've estimated that at least a third of this will be coming back
as a rebate, making my water bill actually around £144 anually.

Their website has a water calculator, and if you answer honestly to each
question, it gives a fairly accurate estimate of the amount you will use in
a year:

http://www.unitedutilities.com/WaterMeterCalc.htm

Your own water company will have one on their website, but I assume they all
charge the same or similar per cube


There are seven in my household - I've just used that calculator and it
reckons that my bill will be around £750 a year (even though we are
frugal with water), as opposed to £320 per year now. I pray they do not
become compulsory...

They are the devil's own devices and sent to taunt us all into early
death from dehydration! We came from an unmetered, three bedroom house
with long back garden. Daily showers in the mornings, car washing,
baths of an evening, jet washing the concrete, flooding the garden,
even contemplating a water feature for a while, all a thing of the
past. We're now in a metered flat and the far higher cost is proving
prohibitive, economy flush on the cistern - and pee is left to "brew"
- boiling single cups of water at a time and leaving washing up to do
all in one wallop, for example and we're still paying out much more
than at the previous premise. The wife even carries a water flask in
the car which she fills at our daughter's whenever we visit.
Nightmare.
Do as suggested and try your own meter first.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry wrote:


They are the devil's own devices and sent to taunt us all into early
death from dehydration! We came from an unmetered, three bedroom house
with long back garden. Daily showers in the mornings, car washing,
baths of an evening, jet washing the concrete, flooding the garden,
even contemplating a water feature for a while, all a thing of the
past. We're now in a metered flat and the far higher cost is proving
prohibitive, economy flush on the cistern - and pee is left to "brew"
- boiling single cups of water at a time and leaving washing up to do
all in one wallop, for example and we're still paying out much more
than at the previous premise. The wife even carries a water flask in
the car which she fills at our daughter's whenever we visit.
Nightmare.
Do as suggested and try your own meter first.


Sounds like your family is just the sort whose profligate habits water
meters are designed to curb!
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:03:31 GMT, "Phil L"
wrote:

mogga wrote:
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

sometimes they are installed outside in the pavement, but if this isn't
possible, they are placed inside, but they don't take up much room.

There's no pipe outside at one house- common supply... previous
threads on stop tap in road ...
In fact out of the 3 houses I'm thinking of I think only one has a
solo outside stoptap....


Mine was installed for free by united utilities (NW area) with a condition
that allows me to have it removed at any time within the first 12 months.

Ah but that's not actually what happens. I was reading UU's site
yesterday and the meter stays and you just go back to the old method
of billing. BUT when you sell the house is then metered no choice.

Water rates 550 for a 3 bed terrace which sounds insane... so it's got
to be cheaper - estimates are about 220 quid on a meter for a one
person household.

I think us with a teen wouldn't save anywhere near that much - but
apparently the whole family (3 houses worth) are now all considering
meters.


My old water bill for the year was £411, they are now taking £18 per month
off me, but I've estimated that at least a third of this will be coming back
as a rebate, making my water bill actually around £144 anually.

Their website has a water calculator, and if you answer honestly to each
question, it gives a fairly accurate estimate of the amount you will use in
a year:

http://www.unitedutilities.com/WaterMeterCalc.htm

Your own water company will have one on their website, but I assume they all
charge the same or similar per cube

Thanks - we're UU too.
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:23:45 -0000, "Roger Mills"
wrote:

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
mogga wrote:

Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

Why not do like I did, and fit your own? Then you can monitor your usage and
work out whether you'd be better or worse off if your supply was officially
metered.

Mine replaces about 5" of pipe. I think the water-board-supplied ones are
about the same.

FWIW, I've just taken a photo of it, which you can see at
http://www.mills37.plus.com/Water_meter.JPG Not the best of photos, taken
under the sink, in the dark, using flash. [It's still better than most of
TMH's photographic efforts! g]


Thanks

There's not enough pipe out of the ground at one place for 5" of spare
pipe.. so I suspect it's a no go there.

Here I think we have tons of pipe and an outside stop tap.

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In article ,
Maria wrote:

There are seven in my household - I've just used that calculator and it
reckons that my bill will be around £750 a year (even though we are
frugal with water), as opposed to £320 per year now. I pray they do not
become compulsory...



They are around our way now - ours was fitted a few weeks ago. Not optional.

Darren

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:
"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

Water rates are based on the old RateableValue.

Roughly speaking:
If your house is bigger than average and your consumption is less than
average you will benefit quite a bit.
If your house is smaller than average and your consumption higher, then
going to a meter is not for you.

ISTR there's a rule of thumb which says that if you have fewer people in
the house than the number of bedrooms, you're better off with a metered
supply.

Can't vouch for the accuracy/truth of that, but it sounds plausible...

David

I managed to talk my Grandad into having a water meter fitted some years
ago. He lived on his own in a 4 bed house and it was worth him having one
fitted IMHO. After the meter was fitted he asked me to have a look at it as
he thought it had been incorrectly fitted.

It had indeed been incorrectly fitted. YW had fitted the meter after the T
that supplied the outside tap. My Grandad laughed and said "Don't tell
anyone until I am dead" as he went to fetch the lawn sprinkler and hosepipe
from the garage.

Adam

Roger Mills wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry wrote:

They are the devil's own devices and sent to taunt us all into early
death from dehydration! We came from an unmetered, three bedroom house
with long back garden. Daily showers in the mornings, car washing,
baths of an evening, jet washing the concrete, flooding the garden,
even contemplating a water feature for a while, all a thing of the
past. We're now in a metered flat and the far higher cost is proving
prohibitive, economy flush on the cistern - and pee is left to "brew"
- boiling single cups of water at a time and leaving washing up to do
all in one wallop, for example and we're still paying out much more
than at the previous premise. The wife even carries a water flask in
the car which she fills at our daughter's whenever we visit.
Nightmare.
Do as suggested and try your own meter first.


Sounds like your family is just the sort whose profligate habits water
meters are designed to curb!

I think that there's a broader question. The water companies have been
very clever at hitching a ride on the environmental movement. Not that
they are clever enough to have planned it that way but some bright spark
saw the chance and jumped on it.

Water is not used up like oil or gas and its use doesn't produce carbon
dioxide. All that happens is that it gets dirty. With sufficient
investment, the dirty water could be cleaned up and reused rather than
chucked in the sea still filthy. Yes the cleaning would use some energy
but relatively little so the situation is not comparable with fossil
fuel burning.

Clearly the water companies don't want to make the massive investment to
reuse water. As we heard on the news today they pay their shareholders
double the going rate. Now water is privatised the only way to make them
change their policies is public bribery. Just listen to the
over-reaction to Ofwat's rules over price rises announced this morning.

Water is an essential. People should not have to economise unreasonably.
People who grow their own food use more water. Even washing the crops
takes more water.

One last thought. If you have a largish house you are likely to want to
sell to a family with more than two people in it. Has anyone looked at
whether you get a lower price for a house with a meter? I'd want to
bargain over that if I was a buyer!

Peter Scott

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
I managed to talk my Grandad into having a water meter fitted some years
ago. He lived on his own in a 4 bed house and it was worth him having one
fitted IMHO. After the meter was fitted he asked me to have a look at it
as he thought it had been incorrectly fitted.

It had indeed been incorrectly fitted. YW had fitted the meter after the T
that supplied the outside tap. My Grandad laughed and said "Don't tell
anyone until I am dead" as he went to fetch the lawn sprinkler and
hosepipe from the garage.

Sometimes they cock up the opposite way though. My wife's elderly aunt who
lives alone had a meter fitted and then faced a bill much bigger than
expected. Turned out that the main supplying her house had a branch that
supplied the neighbour's house as well.

Tim

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:11:40 GMT, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:


"Lobster" wrote in message
...
mark wrote:
"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

Water rates are based on the old RateableValue.

Roughly speaking:
If your house is bigger than average and your consumption is less than
average you will benefit quite a bit.
If your house is smaller than average and your consumption higher, then
going to a meter is not for you.

ISTR there's a rule of thumb which says that if you have fewer people in
the house than the number of bedrooms, you're better off with a metered
supply.

Can't vouch for the accuracy/truth of that, but it sounds plausible...

David

I managed to talk my Grandad into having a water meter fitted some years
ago. He lived on his own in a 4 bed house and it was worth him having one
fitted IMHO. After the meter was fitted he asked me to have a look at it as
he thought it had been incorrectly fitted.

It had indeed been incorrectly fitted. YW had fitted the meter after the T
that supplied the outside tap. My Grandad laughed and said "Don't tell
anyone until I am dead" as he went to fetch the lawn sprinkler and hosepipe
from the garage.

Adam


This is one thing we've already considered - if it's in the right
place then the outdoor tap is free. *ahem* I'm sure the water board
don't make this mistake very often though and of course we'd have to
point it out to them.
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"Tim Downie" wrote in message
...

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
I managed to talk my Grandad into having a water meter fitted some years
ago. He lived on his own in a 4 bed house and it was worth him having one
fitted IMHO. After the meter was fitted he asked me to have a look at it
as he thought it had been incorrectly fitted.

It had indeed been incorrectly fitted. YW had fitted the meter after the
T that supplied the outside tap. My Grandad laughed and said "Don't tell
anyone until I am dead" as he went to fetch the lawn sprinkler and
hosepipe from the garage.

Sometimes they cock up the opposite way though. My wife's elderly aunt
who lives alone had a meter fitted and then faced a bill much bigger than
expected. Turned out that the main supplying her house had a branch that
supplied the neighbour's house as well.

Tim

You complained about that installation though:-)

Adam

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:12:40 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:


Interesting. I volunteered for a meter three years ago and there was no charge to install it.

I've not had to pay Severn Trent on two occasions I've had meters
fitted. At the first house, c15 years ago, the meter was posted to me
and I installed it myself. I don't know how long they did that for.
The last time, 12 years ago, they did a survey and sent a plumber.

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:46:59 +0000, Peter Scott
wrote:


One last thought. If you have a largish house you are likely to want to
sell to a family with more than two people in it. Has anyone looked at
whether you get a lower price for a house with a meter? I'd want to
bargain over that if I was a buyer!

I sold my last house with the water meter and I don't remember the
buyers being that interested in it. It certainly didn't affect the
price. They are still in the house, have had two children since they
moved in and have spent money on it over the years so they seem to
have coped with the cost of the water.

On Nov 25, 3:04*pm, mogga wrote:
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

Family of four in a four bed detached in a nice area - we halved our
water bills by switching to a meter.

MBQ

In message , Peter Johnson
writes
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:46:59 +0000, Peter Scott
wrote:


One last thought. If you have a largish house you are likely to want to
sell to a family with more than two people in it. Has anyone looked at
whether you get a lower price for a house with a meter? I'd want to
bargain over that if I was a buyer!

I sold my last house with the water meter and I don't remember the
buyers being that interested in it. It certainly didn't affect the
price. They are still in the house, have had two children since they
moved in and have spent money on it over the years so they seem to
have coped with the cost of the water.

Indeed.

We sold our last house with a meter and bought a another larger house
with a meter. I wasn't an issue.

Anyway, if anything, we'd probably have been even better off with the
meter after moving to the new house, since larger house would have had
presumably bigger water rates if not on a meter.

We had the meter installed in our old house. I was quite a lot cheaper
(can't remember figures anymore). Even when we had 2 kids I still reckon
it was a fair bit cheaper than the water rates would have been.

The consumption in the new house is pretty much the same as the old one.
--
Chris French

Peter Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:46:59 +0000, Peter Scott
wrote:


One last thought. If you have a largish house you are likely to want to
sell to a family with more than two people in it. Has anyone looked at
whether you get a lower price for a house with a meter? I'd want to
bargain over that if I was a buyer!

I sold my last house with the water meter and I don't remember the
buyers being that interested in it. It certainly didn't affect the
price. They are still in the house, have had two children since they
moved in and have spent money on it over the years so they seem to
have coped with the cost of the water.


Seems in your case it was fine. I do just wonder if people will start to
realise the downside of a meter when they look around.

Peter Scott

chris French wrote:
In message , Peter Johnson
writes
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:46:59 +0000, Peter Scott
wrote:


One last thought. If you have a largish house you are likely to want to
sell to a family with more than two people in it. Has anyone looked at
whether you get a lower price for a house with a meter? I'd want to
bargain over that if I was a buyer!

I sold my last house with the water meter and I don't remember the
buyers being that interested in it. It certainly didn't affect the
price. They are still in the house, have had two children since they
moved in and have spent money on it over the years so they seem to
have coped with the cost of the water.

Indeed.

We sold our last house with a meter and bought a another larger house
with a meter. I wasn't an issue.

Anyway, if anything, we'd probably have been even better off with the
meter after moving to the new house, since larger house would have had
presumably bigger water rates if not on a meter.

We had the meter installed in our old house. I was quite a lot cheaper
(can't remember figures anymore). Even when we had 2 kids I still reckon
it was a fair bit cheaper than the water rates would have been.

The consumption in the new house is pretty much the same as the old one.

yes that's a fair point about the rateable value. Perhaps I should look
into it? I might be going onto mains drainage soon. If Anglian Water get
it sorted. At present I only pay a modest amount for unlimited water.

In article ,
"Tim Downie" writes:

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
I managed to talk my Grandad into having a water meter fitted some years
ago. He lived on his own in a 4 bed house and it was worth him having one
fitted IMHO. After the meter was fitted he asked me to have a look at it
as he thought it had been incorrectly fitted.

It had indeed been incorrectly fitted. YW had fitted the meter after the T
that supplied the outside tap. My Grandad laughed and said "Don't tell
anyone until I am dead" as he went to fetch the lawn sprinkler and
hosepipe from the garage.

Sometimes they cock up the opposite way though. My wife's elderly aunt who
lives alone had a meter fitted and then faced a bill much bigger than
expected. Turned out that the main supplying her house had a branch that
supplied the neighbour's house as well.

I used to live in a terraced house. Next door was being gutted and
moderised. They ran a new water main and connected it to their new
plumbing. All well and good for them, except the rest of the terrace
was fed from their original pipework and we all suddenly had no water!
The guy had to start digging up the kitchen floor to find where the
pipes went off to the properties on each side, and reconnect them.
House changed hands a few times since then. I wonder if they've had
a water meter fitted since, without realising they're supplying
everyone else too?

Can properties like this have water meters properly?

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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Tim Downie" writes:

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
I managed to talk my Grandad into having a water meter fitted some years
ago. He lived on his own in a 4 bed house and it was worth him having
one
fitted IMHO. After the meter was fitted he asked me to have a look at it
as he thought it had been incorrectly fitted.

It had indeed been incorrectly fitted. YW had fitted the meter after the
T
that supplied the outside tap. My Grandad laughed and said "Don't tell
anyone until I am dead" as he went to fetch the lawn sprinkler and
hosepipe from the garage.

Sometimes they cock up the opposite way though. My wife's elderly aunt
who
lives alone had a meter fitted and then faced a bill much bigger than
expected. Turned out that the main supplying her house had a branch that
supplied the neighbour's house as well.

I used to live in a terraced house. Next door was being gutted and
moderised. They ran a new water main and connected it to their new
plumbing. All well and good for them, except the rest of the terrace
was fed from their original pipework and we all suddenly had no water!
The guy had to start digging up the kitchen floor to find where the
pipes went off to the properties on each side, and reconnect them.
House changed hands a few times since then. I wonder if they've had
a water meter fitted since, without realising they're supplying
everyone else too?

Can properties like this have water meters properly?

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Water supplies to terraced properties usually do not pass under a property.

But there is no logic to some water supplies. A friend phoned me up one
Sunday evening to say that he could hear water hitting his floorboards.

When I arrived and lifted the carpet and the floorboards there was indeed a
cold water supply (lead) that was leaking and hitting the floorboards.
Neither the stoptap in the street or the stop tap in the house turned off
this water supply.

Yorkshire Water sent someone round that night and the bloke that arrived
used a long stick to knock the lead pipe downwards so the water leak did not
hit the floorboards and then left saying that someone would be back on
Tuesday as it was a Bank Holiday.

It took 3 working days for YW to find the stop tap to this lead supply. The
stoptap was on a different street.

Adam

Vortex4 wrote:

"mogga" wrote in message
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Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

And how much pipe do they need?

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What do you pay at the moment? The "old" rates are based on the
"ratabale value" of your home which IIRC is nominally the rental value
of that property in 1991. I have no idea how it is scaled for houses
built after that date. A very byzantine system.

I have 2 Adults and 4 children.

Water usage is about 400 cu. metres per year. Cost about £400 per
year....and we do not especially economise. I suspect this is a
bargain compared to unmetered in our case.


A reasonable allowance is 200 litres/person/day. This includes
everything, even watering the garden.

R

"mogga" wrote in message
...
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

the real issue is, do you have a garden (and do you water it).

Tim

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Tim Downie" writes:

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
I managed to talk my Grandad into having a water meter fitted some years
ago. He lived on his own in a 4 bed house and it was worth him having
one
fitted IMHO. After the meter was fitted he asked me to have a look at it
as he thought it had been incorrectly fitted.

It had indeed been incorrectly fitted. YW had fitted the meter after the
T
that supplied the outside tap. My Grandad laughed and said "Don't tell
anyone until I am dead" as he went to fetch the lawn sprinkler and
hosepipe from the garage.

Sometimes they cock up the opposite way though. My wife's elderly aunt
who
lives alone had a meter fitted and then faced a bill much bigger than
expected. Turned out that the main supplying her house had a branch that
supplied the neighbour's house as well.

I used to live in a terraced house. Next door was being gutted and
moderised. They ran a new water main and connected it to their new
plumbing. All well and good for them, except the rest of the terrace
was fed from their original pipework and we all suddenly had no water!
The guy had to start digging up the kitchen floor to find where the
pipes went off to the properties on each side, and reconnect them.
House changed hands a few times since then. I wonder if they've had
a water meter fitted since, without realising they're supplying
everyone else too?

Can properties like this have water meters properly?

not usually

tim

On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:54:52 -0000, "tim...."
wrote:


"mogga" wrote in message
.. .
Good idea or not? (I reckon not with a teen in the house)

the real issue is, do you have a garden (and do you water it).

Tim



I saw how much jetwashing uses - that should be banned!
I tried to grow butternut squahes at home and the slugs loved them so
I didn't have to water them for very long... We use a lot of water on
the allotment I know. The rain barrels don't last very long in the hot
weather.

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