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On 30 Oct,
Dave wrote:

Not a foot brake, you don't. The morons don't think about applying the
hand brake, some think of it as a parking brake.

They leave the handbrake off for a quicker getaway, but it's quicker with
the
handbrake off.

ITYM on, it is a lot quicker to leave the handbrake on and apply a bit of
gas in the semi auto smart I have been driving.
Then the clutch has engaged a bit and it goes straight away.
There is a noticeable lag (about 300 msec) otherwise.

Phil Jessop wrote:
"Chris Bartram" wrote in message
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Phil Jessop wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
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Is it just me, or does anyone else find the new LED's (front and rear)
too bright? Even in daylight.

Dave
The brightness I can cope with, the low frequency constant flashing (I
guess 60 or 70Hz) when they are dimmed gives me a headache when following
a LEDed car, and also gives a trail of red spots across by field of view
as I move my eyes which I also find distracting.

There is no reason at all why the frequency could not be increased to a
few 100's of Hz to prevent this - why don't they?.



It varies- Peugots seem the worst, some 'premium' cars don't seem to
flicker to me.

I assume Mercs and BMW are not 'premium' then? - they are the worst!!


I find the PSA cars worst, the BMWs etc not so bad, myself.

Andy Champ wrote:
Chris Bartram wrote:

It varies- Peugots seem the worst, some 'premium' cars don't seem to
flicker to me.

I find VW about the worst, especially the Passat with the concentric
indicator/tail assembly. Brake, and the indicators almost vanish.

And yes, some "premium" cars are rubbish.

Andy
The Passat lights are lousy from the point of visibilty of the indicator
if the brake lighta are on, but they don't seem too flickery.

"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the new LED's (front and rear)
too bright? Even in daylight.

Dave
Not just you at all!

LEDs, HIDs and high level brake lights are all to bright.

Also it ought to be compulsory for a regular (10 minute intervals?)
warning to be sounded in the car when the high intensity fog lights are
switched on. I hate driving on the day after a foggy day as so many people
leave them on.



On my Peugeot 406 they turn off with the main light switch so accidentally
leaving them on just can't happen. Begs the question, if one manufacturer
can do it, why can't they all?
--
Keith W
Sunbury on Thames
(If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living)

"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the new LED's (front and rear)
too bright? Even in daylight.

Dave
Not just you at all!

LEDs, HIDs and high level brake lights are all to bright.

Also it ought to be compulsory for a regular (10 minute intervals?)
warning to be sounded in the car when the high intensity fog lights are
switched on. I hate driving on the day after a foggy day as so many people
leave them on.

Bob

Most car electrics now turn the fog lights to OFF when the headlights are
turned off.

ie OFF means that the driver must manually switch them back on and that they
do not come back on when the headlights are turned back on.

Adam

"Roger" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On 30 Oct,
Bob Minchin wrote:

Also it ought to be compulsory for a regular (10 minute intervals?)
warning to be sounded in the car when the high intensity fog lights are
switched on. I hate driving on the day after a foggy day as so many
people leave them on.

High level fog lights should be outlawed. They facilitate travelling at
speeds where the only hazards seen are other cars with high level brake
lights. Pedestrians, bikes, broken down cars, cows and other
animals/objects
that could be in the road are unseen.

--
B Thumbs

You should not be driving as your eyesight appears to be very poor and
well below the standard for driving. Pedestrians, bikes and broken down
cars need to take the appropriate precautions. Cows need to wear
fluorescent vests if taking a walk down a road or a motorway, you would
think they would know better.
How about driving appropriately for the conditions at the time - that is
what the rest of us with common sense do.


Roger

How good is your eyesight?

Adam

Keith W wrote:

On my Peugeot 406 they turn off with the main light switch so accidentally
leaving them on just can't happen. Begs the question, if one manufacturer
can do it, why can't they all?
Most do these days.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

And why do people drive around with front fogs on? They only
illuminate the road at most 20' in front of the vehicle, it's rarely
foggy enough to need them(*).

I may have the real excuse.

Front fogs - instead of headlights - enable the other idiot to see me in
conditions of low light where I don't need the headlights to see where
I'm going.

And unlike the pop-up headlights, they don't wreck the aerodynamics. So
I'm being green

I _never_ use them both together.

Andy

On 30 Oct 2009 23:42:26 GMT, Adrian wrote:

Adrian gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

The lighting regulations are not the be all and end all though -
anything that contravenes them cannot be acted upon if they are a
standard part (or factory fit option) of a vehicle that has been type
approved in another EU country.

Umm, no. Think about a right-hand-only

Damn. The _other_ right...

rear foglight, and left-hand- traffic dip beam...

I know what you mean Fair enough, but other than the left-right dip and
which side the fog light is on .... For instance unless they've been
updated in the last few years, the lighting regs do not allow the use of
LED or HID lights IIRC, they specify a particular power of filament lamp,
however where a lamp has been approved as part of the vehicle approval, it
is permitted to be used in the UK. Where lamps are fitted as aftermarket
replacements, there is a danger that the driver could be prosecuted - even
though the lights themselves are E marked. This has been discussed a number
of times in some of the kit-car groups.

SteveW

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:50:58 -0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

I don't recall a day in the last five years where fog lights were actually a
benefit.


You can't do much driving in the Thames Valley, then.

If by any chance you do, can you please let us know where and when -
so we can be sure to avoid being out on road when you are. ;-)

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:50:58 -0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

I don't recall a day in the last five years where fog lights were actually
a
benefit.


You can't do much driving in the Thames Valley, then.

If by any chance you do, can you please let us know where and when -
so we can be sure to avoid being out on road when you are. ;-)

There are a lot of cars without fog lights and even more drivers that don't
use them when its foggy so both of us will be safe as you will be staying at
home. 8-)

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:26:38 -0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:50:58 -0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

I don't recall a day in the last five years where fog lights were actually
a
benefit.


You can't do much driving in the Thames Valley, then.

If by any chance you do, can you please let us know where and when -
so we can be sure to avoid being out on road when you are. ;-)

There are a lot of cars without fog lights and even more drivers that don't
use them when its foggy so both of us will be safe as you will be staying at
home. 8-)


You completely avoided the question. No surprise there.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the new LED's (front and
rear) too bright? Even in daylight.

Dave
Not just you at all!

LEDs, HIDs and high level brake lights are all to bright.

Also it ought to be compulsory for a regular (10 minute intervals?)
warning to be sounded in the car when the high intensity fog lights
are switched on. I hate driving on the day after a foggy day as so
many people leave them on.
I don't recall a day in the last five years where fog lights were
actually a benefit.

That Alzheimer's is a bugger.

Are you talking about fog, or mist?

Dave

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:26:38 -0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:50:58 -0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

I don't recall a day in the last five years where fog lights were
actually
a
benefit.


You can't do much driving in the Thames Valley, then.

If by any chance you do, can you please let us know where and when -
so we can be sure to avoid being out on road when you are. ;-)

There are a lot of cars without fog lights and even more drivers that
don't
use them when its foggy so both of us will be safe as you will be staying
at
home. 8-)


You completely avoided the question. No surprise there.

What question?
If you meant drive the Thames valley then I don't know where it is.

If you mean tell you where I am, are you paying the bill?

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:00:54 -0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:



"Bruce" wrote

You completely avoided the question. No surprise there.

What question?
If you meant drive the Thames valley then I don't know where it is.


Thank God for that. ;-)

"dennis@home" gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

There are a lot of cars without fog lights

Since the newest cars on UK plates without rear fog lights will be 30
years old at the end of next month, there's not THAT many likely to be in
regular use in poor weather...

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Dave
saying something like:

Jeremy Clarkson described the LED lights on an Audi as "like a Council House
at Xmas"

ROTFLMAO

He does come up with some good quotes though.

And so original.
One suspects he's been reading Usenet.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "ARWadsworth"
saying something like:

Roger

How good is your eyesight?

Well, with the amount of self-abuse he does... fading fast, iwt.