Ran low of my last lost of solder ring elbows from BES, so nipped into
Screwfix and got these:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/75971

Pay attention to the piccy. Doesn't look like this:

http://www.yorkshirefittings.co.uk/t...FolderID=10237

Don't look the same do they? In fact the ones I got were a different size
(longer) than the BES ones (annoying when doing close parallel runs of
pipe) and looked rather deformed compared to *every* solder ring fitting
I've ever seen in my life.

Also, they are tight to get on the pipe rather than just sliding on - near
impossible sometimes.

What gives? Screwfix are saying they are "Yorkshires" with a valid Pegler
Yorkshire code (YP12). But they seem to be a piece of reject crap...

Anyone else noticed anything like this?

Went to Focus in the end and bought a pack of 10 IBP Conex elbows for about
2.50 and they definately were the business.

Cheers

Tim

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Tim W
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 08:58

Ran low of my last lost of solder ring elbows from BES, so nipped into
Screwfix and got these:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/75971

Pay attention to the piccy. Doesn't look like this:


http://www.yorkshirefittings.co.uk/t...FolderID=10237


Well - I did just phone Pegler. The confirmed they do supply Screwfix. The
chap there agreed the one in the picture on the Screwfix site didn't look
that good, but it did carry the YP logo.

He's asked me to send him a couple to have a look at, which I'll do today.

That's the second time Screwfix have sold me crap. The last time were some
metal electrical backboxes. What could go wring there, they're simple
enough, I hear you ask... Well, **** poor earth terminal (bent tab of
fliddy metal with a screw rammed in it) and some really dodgey plate fixing
lugs... I left appropriately caustic reviews.

Hmm - seem to be turning into Victor Meldrew(!)

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On 27 Oct, 09:36, Tim W wrote:

Hmm - seem to be turning into Victor Meldrew(!)

Why not? Screwfix have turned into Happy Shopper. Even their
Goldscrews have gone down in quality. The catalogue gets ever
thicker, but stockholding at the counters is patchier and patchier.

I've switched to Toolstation.

Andy Dingley
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 09:56

On 27 Oct, 09:36, Tim W wrote:

Hmm - seem to be turning into Victor Meldrew(!)

Why not? Screwfix have turned into Happy Shopper. Even their
Goldscrews have gone down in quality. The catalogue gets ever
thicker, but stockholding at the counters is patchier and patchier.

My take is: if I buy Comap, I'm probably buying cheap crap. If I buy branded
Pegler Yorkshires, it should be the same quality from BES, Screwfix and
Happy Shopper.

My first thought is that they were using the word "Yorkshire" with some
artistic interpretation. The first question I put to Pegler was "do you
supply these to Screwfix?".

As they apparently do, one of several things may have happened:

a) Pegler knocked out a crap batch, in which case Pegler need (and want by
all accounts) to know.

b) Screwfix have sourced some counterfeits. Not sure if the counterfeit
market bothers with plumbing fittings, but who knows...

c) Screwfix have bagged some Comap crap into a Yorkshire bag. Now the Pegler
bloke has told me how to identify their logo, I'll check this down at the
bunglow today, then post a sample off.

d) Someone's been raiding the reject bins at Pegler's.

I've switched to Toolstation.

Unfortunately mine's miles away in Orpington or Eastbourne so not much good
for a quick drop in. Hastings (nearest town to my new house) is a wasteland
of half arsedness.

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On 27/10/2009 10:23 Tim W wrote:

Andy Dingley
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 09:56
I've switched to Toolstation.

Unfortunately mine's miles away in Orpington or Eastbourne so not much good
for a quick drop in. Hastings (nearest town to my new house) is a wasteland
of half arsedness.

You only need to spend £10 with Toolstation as opposed to Screwfix's
£50. Worth using them and adding something useful, but cheap, onto the
order to save on petrol and get the delivery?

--
F

On 27 Oct, 10:23, Tim W wrote:

I've switched to Toolstation.

Unfortunately mine's miles away in Orpington or Eastbourne so not much good
for a quick drop in. Hastings (nearest town to my new house) is a wasteland
of half arsedness.

It's not about cost, it's about getting out of bed! If I give my gf a
lift to work, then borrow her car, I can go past Toolstation's door as
they're near to her surgery. However I would then have to get up an
hour & a half earlier than I do normally to get the train straight to
my place.

OTOH, weekends are our local indie, the tiny Wickes or Screwfix. I
usually go to Screwfix, then get turned away for lack of stock.

Wickes also seem to be full of "33% OFF" boards at present, but the
actual shelf prices are 20% up on their printed catalogue. They also
only stock the 8'x2' insulation boards that cost 50% more (per area)
than the 8'x4' boards they list. Neither of these policies endears
them to me.

On Oct 27, 9:56 am, Andy Dingley wrote:
On 27 Oct, 09:36, Tim W wrote:

Hmm - seem to be turning into Victor Meldrew(!)

Why not? Screwfix have turned into Happy Shopper. Even their
Goldscrews have gone down in quality. The catalogue gets ever
thicker, but stockholding at the counters is patchier and patchier.

I've switched to Toolstation.

seconded

JimK

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 27 Oct, 09:36, Tim W wrote:

Hmm - seem to be turning into Victor Meldrew(!)

Why not? Screwfix have turned into Happy Shopper. Even their
Goldscrews have gone down in quality. The catalogue gets ever
thicker, but stockholding at the counters is patchier and patchier.

I've switched to Toolstation.

I tend to prefer TS now too.

Steve Walker
wibbled on Thursday 29 October 2009 15:38

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 27 Oct, 09:36, Tim W wrote:

Hmm - seem to be turning into Victor Meldrew(!)

Why not? Screwfix have turned into Happy Shopper. Even their
Goldscrews have gone down in quality. The catalogue gets ever
thicker, but stockholding at the counters is patchier and patchier.

I've switched to Toolstation.

I tend to prefer TS now too.

Me too. As I said, it's just not convenient to "drop in" round my way. Wish
they'd open some more stores. Orpington to Eastbourne - there must be room
for one in there somewhere.

The only thing that annoys me about TS is that their wesite doesn't clearly
display the maker of the goods. Oddly, you can limit the search via drop
down, but it would be so much easier to browse if the maker was displayed
next to each item.

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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:54:23 +0000, Tim W wrote:

Steve Walker
wibbled on Thursday 29 October 2009 15:38

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 27 Oct, 09:36, Tim W wrote:

Hmm - seem to be turning into Victor Meldrew(!)

Why not? Screwfix have turned into Happy Shopper. Even their
Goldscrews have gone down in quality. The catalogue gets ever
thicker, but stockholding at the counters is patchier and patchier.

I've switched to Toolstation.

I tend to prefer TS now too.

Me too. As I said, it's just not convenient to "drop in" round my way. Wish
they'd open some more stores. Orpington to Eastbourne - there must be room
for one in there somewhere.

Need one in Northampton as well - southern side, away from SF.

The only thing that annoys me about TS is that their wesite doesn't clearly
display the maker of the goods. Oddly, you can limit the search via drop
down, but it would be so much easier to browse if the maker was displayed
next to each item.

The information/details etc. are very poor. TS can usually give the
manufacturer and 'phone no., but it'd be better on the site.
--
Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:36:11 +0000, Tim W wrote:
That's the second time Screwfix have sold me crap.

Buy from a real shop where you can see what you're getting before you pay
for it...

In article ,
Tim W wrote:
Ran low of my last lost of solder ring elbows from BES, so nipped into
Screwfix and got these:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/75971

Pay attention to the piccy. Doesn't look like this:

http://www.yorkshirefittings.co.uk/t...FolderID=10237

Don't look the same do they? In fact the ones I got were a different
size (longer) than the BES ones (annoying when doing close parallel runs
of pipe) and looked rather deformed compared to *every* solder ring
fitting I've ever seen in my life.

Also, they are tight to get on the pipe rather than just sliding on -
near impossible sometimes.

But why use Yorkshires? You're paying a large premium for some solder.
Only time I use them is when a 'special' end feed isn't readily available.

--
*It's this dirty because I washed it with your wife's knickers*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News)
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 10:28

In article ,
Tim W wrote:
Ran low of my last lost of solder ring elbows from BES, so nipped into
Screwfix and got these:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/75971

Pay attention to the piccy. Doesn't look like this:


http://www.yorkshirefittings.co.uk/t...FolderID=10237

Don't look the same do they? In fact the ones I got were a different
size (longer) than the BES ones (annoying when doing close parallel runs
of pipe) and looked rather deformed compared to *every* solder ring
fitting I've ever seen in my life.

Also, they are tight to get on the pipe rather than just sliding on -
near impossible sometimes.

But why use Yorkshires? You're paying a large premium for some solder.
Only time I use them is when a 'special' end feed isn't readily available.


Because I'm up under the bath with one hand holding the flame mat, the other
hand holding the blowtorch, one eyeball looking at the joint and the other
eyeball watching that the flame doesn't get anywhere near the acrylic bath!

Anyway, I'd hardly call 25p for a fitting exhorbitant And they are fairly
idiot proof - as verified by a 10bar air pressure test I did last night
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In article ,
Tim W wrote:
But why use Yorkshires? You're paying a large premium for some solder.
Only time I use them is when a 'special' end feed isn't readily
available.


Because I'm up under the bath with one hand holding the flame mat, the
other hand holding the blowtorch, one eyeball looking at the joint and
the other eyeball watching that the flame doesn't get anywhere near the
acrylic bath!

Anyway, I'd hardly call 25p for a fitting exhorbitant

But you went all the way to Screwfix - presumably to save money?

And they are fairly idiot proof - as verified by a 10bar air pressure
test I did last night

Nothing wrong with them - just the price.

--
*Why is the third hand on the watch called a second hand?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News)
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 13:36

In article ,
Tim W wrote:
But why use Yorkshires? You're paying a large premium for some solder.
Only time I use them is when a 'special' end feed isn't readily
available.


Because I'm up under the bath with one hand holding the flame mat, the
other hand holding the blowtorch, one eyeball looking at the joint and
the other eyeball watching that the flame doesn't get anywhere near the
acrylic bath!

Anyway, I'd hardly call 25p for a fitting exhorbitant

But you went all the way to Screwfix - presumably to save money?

No, I dropped in on the way down (it's 1 mile from Pembury) because I
anticipated running out. I didn't anticipate early enough to order them.

And they are fairly idiot proof - as verified by a 10bar air pressure
test I did last night

Nothing wrong with them - just the price.

Well, when you consider how many people are happy using plastic fittings,
25p is almost irrellevant

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In article ,
Tim W writes:

Anyway, I'd hardly call 25p for a fitting exhorbitant And they are fairly
idiot proof - as verified by a 10bar air pressure test I did last night

That's up at the real danger level if something does fail.

I once succumed to a schoolboy urge to release a JG end cap on a
bit of heating system which was only at 2 bar pressure test, and
I think it riccoceted off the floor, walls, and ceiling about 10
times before it slowed enough for me to see where it was, and
about 5 minutes to recover my hearing.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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Andrew Gabriel
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 14:51

In article ,
Tim W writes:

Anyway, I'd hardly call 25p for a fitting exhorbitant And they are
fairly idiot proof - as verified by a 10bar air pressure test I did last
night

That's up at the real danger level if something does fail.

I once succumed to a schoolboy urge to release a JG end cap on a
bit of heating system which was only at 2 bar pressure test, and
I think it riccoceted off the floor, walls, and ceiling about 10
times before it slowed enough for me to see where it was, and
about 5 minutes to recover my hearing.


That is true.

I really should fill it with water first so I can do a mostly hydraulic
test. When I turned the ball valve to release the pressure. the noise was
almost deafening

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"Tim W" wrote in message
...
Ran low of my last lost of solder ring elbows from BES, so nipped into
Screwfix and got these:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/75971

Pay attention to the piccy. Doesn't look like this:

http://www.yorkshirefittings.co.uk/t...FolderID=10237

Don't look the same do they? In fact the ones I got were a different size
(longer) than the BES ones (annoying when doing close parallel runs of
pipe) and looked rather deformed compared to *every* solder ring fitting
I've ever seen in my life.

Also, they are tight to get on the pipe rather than just sliding on - near
impossible sometimes.

What gives? Screwfix are saying they are "Yorkshires" with a valid Pegler
Yorkshire code (YP12). But they seem to be a piece of reject crap...

Anyone else noticed anything like this?

Would you like me to call into Peglers and ask them?

I just happen to be working next to their Doncaster factory this week (St
Caths Ave in Balby), Doncaster. I am rewiring a house on Carr Hill Road.
(Google map it yourself)

I am quite happy to knock on their door and ask for you.

Adam

ARWadsworth
wibbled on Tuesday 27 October 2009 19:50


Anyone else noticed anything like this?

Would you like me to call into Peglers and ask them?

I just happen to be working next to their Doncaster factory this week (St
Caths Ave in Balby), Doncaster. I am rewiring a house on Carr Hill Road.
(Google map it yourself)

I am quite happy to knock on their door and ask for you.

Oddly I thought of you when I found their address - despite the fact you
don;t live there(!).

It's OK - I spoke to the bloke there on tech support and as he asked, I've
posted a few to him today. They definately have the "YP" logo on them, but
they really look dodgey and some of them are too tight to get on with a
couple of fingers in a confined space.

I included a genuine IBP Conex fitting of the same type to show them what I
was expecting - that should get them going...

Normally IME Pegler stuff is very well made.

Cheers

Tim

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On 27/10/09 19:59, Tim W wrote:

I included a genuine IBP Conex fitting

Presumably NOT a 159mmx108mm reducing tee?

http://www.ibpconex.co.uk/viewProduct.php?id=648

Eye watering!

In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
On 27/10/09 19:59, Tim W wrote:

I included a genuine IBP Conex fitting

Presumably NOT a 159mmx108mm reducing tee?

http://www.ibpconex.co.uk/viewProduct.php?id=648

Normally I suggest chucking a T piece if you mess it up.
But at £656.71 each, I might rethink that.

Actually, these have to be brazed, so if you mess it up,
it probably isn't recoverable.

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