just swapped energy suppliers and got marketed to with this sh1te:-

"Make yours a lean, green, energy-efficient home

Whats Team Energy?

Team Energy is about cutting the energy we use in our homes. That
doesnt mean denying ourselves the latest gizmos, it just means doing
some simple, fun things together to become more energy-efficient. You
could end up reducing your households carbon footprint by up to 20%.
And save money too €“ as much as £166. €*
What can we all do?

As a gentle warm up to get you started, how about inviting your
friends and family around once a week to watch your favourite TV show?
Just think of all those other sets switched off and the energy being
saved. No remote-hogging, though."

erm what about all the feckin energy they'll use to get to my house
and back...

when they say "simple" things I suppose they were correect but ffs if
we can't think any better than this cr4p what hope/right do we have to
exist for much longer???

JimK

JimK
wibbled on Friday 23 October 2009 16:48

just swapped energy suppliers and got marketed to with this sh1te:-

"Make yours a lean, green, energy-efficient home

What?s Team Energy?

Team Energy is about cutting the energy we use in our homes. That
doesn?t mean denying ourselves the latest gizmos, it just means doing
some simple, fun things together to become more energy-efficient. You
could end up reducing your household?s carbon footprint by up to 20%.
And save money too ? as much as £166. ?
What can we all do?

As a gentle warm up to get you started, how about inviting your
friends and family around once a week to watch your favourite TV show?
Just think of all those other sets switched off and the energy being
saved. No remote-hogging, though."

Why not write back or call and suggest the bloke's wife and daughters come
round for some "warming multi-participant fun" so you can save loads of
energy by turning your heating down. Further more, that's a few hours where
you won't be watching the telly - win win...

--
Tim Watts

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I agree ... it's a bit like our local council who want us to recycle more by
taking things in our car on a 5 mile round trip to the recycling tip ....
it'd make more sense if they came around to our homes and took all recycable
things away free of charge.... but no they want us all to use petrol and
individually vist their recycling facility.

Ash

On Oct 23, 4:56 pm, "Ash" wrote:
I agree ... it's a bit like our local council who want us to recycle more by
taking things in our car on a 5 mile round trip to the recycling tip ....
it'd make more sense if they came around to our homes and took all recycable
things away free of charge.... but no they want us all to use petrol and
individually vist their recycling facility.

Ash

indeed those tips where you aren't allowed to take in a van, or tow a
trailer bigger than "X" cos then you "should" be paying for the
dubious priveledge, so you make several journeys in the car?!!!?

Do we still wonder why those nasty people fly tip all over the bloody
place! and who do we pay (good wages & incurring vehicle costs,
training courses etc) to clean it up and take it to the same fecking
tip?........

it beggars belief!

JimK

JimK wrote:

indeed those tips where you aren't allowed to take in a van, or tow a
trailer bigger than "X" cos then you "should" be paying for the
dubious priveledge, so you make several journeys in the car?!!!?

I drive a relatively small car, so the height barrier across the
entrance never used to cause me any trouble. Until I went there with a
bathtub on the roof...

Pete

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:52:19 +0100, Tim W wrote:
Why not write back or call and suggest the bloke's wife and daughters come
round for some "warming multi-participant fun" so you can save loads of
energy by turning your heating down. Further more, that's a few hours where
you won't be watching the telly - win win...

What's the carbon footprint of a good hump these days? Has it changed over
the years?

I drive a relatively small car, so the height barrier across the entrance
never used to cause me any trouble. Until I went there with a bathtub on
the roof...


Yikes... that must have been a plumbers nightmare getting all the plumbing
sorted for the bath. Good job you didn't have a shower fitted otherwise
you'd have really been in a pickle .... 8-(

Pete Verdon wrote:
JimK wrote:

indeed those tips where you aren't allowed to take in a van, or tow a
trailer bigger than "X" cos then you "should" be paying for the
dubious priveledge, so you make several journeys in the car?!!!?

I drive a relatively small car, so the height barrier across the
entrance never used to cause me any trouble. Until I went there with a
bathtub on the roof...

Pete

Confused them with an exterior door recently. Hmm, that's wood AND
glass. Sharp intake of breath.
I love the bin that just says "wood and timber" but doesn't tell you
where ply or chipboard goes.

On Oct 23, 5:38*pm, Jules
wrote:
What's the carbon footprint of a good hump these days?
Has it changed over the years?

Carbon footprint of a speed hump is huge.

To create them.
To maintain them.
To repair damage to vehicles.
In sick leave to traffic police flying over them.
In cars slowing-down - speed-up - slowing-down etc.
In removing them eventually.

How much of the road infrastructure can we tart up to create work
without actually improving it?

At worst a typical car requires 8 bhp to maintain forward motion at
56mph, far less at 20mph and 30mph re internal & external frictional
etc losses. A speed bump results in repeated half-to-full throttle
application.

How many REAL libraries could we have created with the money,
distributed across the country with *online* access to every book,
research paper, the lot? No, we spent 4,000M creating a warehouse in
london for them. Still in the land of lousy academics hugging their
books with dumbed down securitised toilet paper courses whilst China
is building massive online libraries across the country (along with
1200 coal fired power stations a year, enough to make a green weep).
When do we move from the cities to the fields again, Great Gordon
Brown Leader?

I think you've missed the point here .... the question is about a "Good
Hump"

On Oct 23, 4:48 pm, JimK wrote:


here's another halfarsed gem:-

this amusingly in the "mythbusters" section:-

"Regular bulbs don’t waste energy, they just produce heat that helps
warm the home

It is true that the 'wasted' energy of a regular bulb is given off as
heat. but this is only useful on cold days. Gas boilers produce heat
far more efficiently than electric light bulbs. And as hot air rises,
bulbs on the ceiling aren’t exactly the ideal place to produce heat
for your home."

Naturally I don't dispute the basics here but what's the sh1te about
ceilings not being ideal to heat homes - does it really f-ing matter
where the heat is generated if it's all going to rise up to the
ceiling anyway ?

go on tell me straight!! am I the only one with half a brain?

JimK

and here's a "fullarsed" gem:-

if you fit an energy efficiency bulb in your Passive Movement Sensor light
it will take more energy to light up and switch off then an ordinary bulb
will. The reason been it takes a larger amount of energy to 'fire up' (as
opposed to a 'normal bulb') and then less energy as it's left on. As
movement sensor lights normally only remains on for a short time they will
actually use more electricity than a 'normal' bulb.

On Oct 23, 7:40 pm, "Ash" wrote:
and here's a "fullarsed" gem:-

if you fit an energy efficiency bulb in your Passive Movement Sensor light
it will take more energy to light up and switch off then an ordinary bulb
will. The reason been it takes a larger amount of energy to 'fire up' (as
opposed to a 'normal bulb') and then less energy as it's left on. As
movement sensor lights normally only remains on for a short time they will
actually use more electricity than a 'normal' bulb.

ah now that's quality...

NB don't even think about ordering a super trendy "green britain flag"
- in US dollars from an americanised website that quotes high shipping
from the US to UK yet the person who designed (and makes?) the flags
is in Cumbria?? WTF??!!!!

- still at least boris johnson and seb coe are ahem "officially"
backing the green team dream drivel! Oh good safe hands at the tiller
then...

JimK

JimK wrote:

Gas boilers produce heat
far more efficiently than electric light bulbs.

And that's ballcocks as well. Yes, gas heating is cheaper but it's not
more efficient. Although this doesn't allow for the fact that all this
green tripe is only for show rather than actually to acheive anything much.

But... I have found a solution...

It's called 'whisky.'

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

It's called 'whisky.'

I tried it but I couldn't find a way to pour it into my boiler 8

Stuart Noble wrote:
Pete Verdon wrote:
JimK wrote:

indeed those tips where you aren't allowed to take in a van, or tow
a trailer bigger than "X" cos then you "should" be paying for the
dubious priveledge, so you make several journeys in the car?!!!?

I drive a relatively small car, so the height barrier across the
entrance never used to cause me any trouble. Until I went there with
a bathtub on the roof...

Pete

Confused them with an exterior door recently. Hmm, that's wood AND
glass. Sharp intake of breath.
I love the bin that just says "wood and timber" but doesn't tell you
where ply or chipboard goes.

Our local tip has a large container for glass - half painted green, half
brown for the appropriate colour bottle - no divider in the middle.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Oct 23, 7:50 pm, Scott M wrote:
JimK wrote:
Gas boilers produce heat
far more efficiently than electric light bulbs.

And that's ballcocks as well. Yes, gas heating is cheaper but it's not
more efficient. Although this doesn't allow for the fact that all this
green tripe is only for show rather than actually to acheive anything much.

But... I have found a solution...

It's called 'whisky.'


now we do *need* someone on "green team dream brain drain" to
calculate the CO2 yadah yadah yadah of making a litre of the
stuff....

js.b1
wibbled on Friday 23 October 2009 18:44

On Oct 23, 5:38*pm, Jules
wrote:
What's the carbon footprint of a good hump these days?
Has it changed over the years?

Carbon footprint of a speed hump is huge.


I thought a speed hump is what they did in Chatham alleys...

--
Tim Watts

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"js.b1" wrote in message
...
On Oct 23, 5:38 pm, Jules
wrote:
What's the carbon footprint of a good hump these days?
Has it changed over the years?

Carbon footprint of a speed hump is huge.

Surely a speed hump has a larger energy usage and therefore a bigger carbon
footprint.
E=1/2mv2
m is constant, well until the end anyway
v and therefore v2 is high as implied by the word "speed"

Mind you I guess the carbon footprint might also be related to how many feet
remain on the floor (or not).

Did I miss something?

JimK wrote:
just swapped energy suppliers and got marketed to with this sh1te:-

"Make yours a lean, green, energy-efficient home

What's Team Energy?

Anyone else ****ed off by the 'Change How The Story Ends' TV advert? Dad
reading story to kid about CO2 emmissions.

Freak weather isn't freak. It just happens e.g. River Thames freezing over
in the 16th century.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In message
,
js.b1 writes
On Oct 23, 5:38*pm, Jules
wrote:
What's the carbon footprint of a good hump these days?
Has it changed over the years?

Carbon footprint of a speed hump is huge.

But who would admit to premature ejaculation ?

--
geoff

On Oct 23, 4:56*pm, "Ash" wrote:
I agree ... it's a bit like our local council who want us to recycle more by
taking things in our car on a 5 mile round trip to the recycling tip ....
it'd make more sense if they came around to our homes and took all recycable
things away free of charge.... but no they want us all to use petrol and
individually vist their recycling facility.

Ash

I doubt that. What they want is for them to spend nothing on it and
you to spend nothing on it, yet they can say theyre donig something.


NT

On 24 Oct, 17:47, NT wrote:
On Oct 23, 4:56 pm, "Ash" wrote:

I agree ... it's a bit like our local council who want us to recycle more by
taking things in our car on a 5 mile round trip to the recycling tip ....
it'd make more sense if they came around to our homes and took all recycable
things away free of charge.... but no they want us all to use petrol and
individually vist their recycling facility.

Ash

I doubt that. What they want is for them to spend nothing on it and
you to spend nothing on it, yet they can say theyre donig something.

NT

contrast that with "enviro-mental elf" depts who will appear (in my
case in old belching 4+ litre diesel 4X4s), berate you and threaten to
prosecute you for burning wooden construction waste old doors etc) on
site cos of the possibility of lead paint on them........ one is
coerced to cart all manner of ****e, personally in privately owned
cars, to the tip (funded by council tax), where said wastes are
sorted (by us), loaded into skips (by us) and presumably sold on by
councils (given that anything worthwhile is left by pikey employees)
to waste traders....emitting all manner and quantity of "toxic"
emissions at every turn of the wheel..... why don't I just bury it in
my own feckin garden next to the faithful old dogs?

JimK