Are they hot pluggable?

Dave

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Are they hot pluggable?

I don't know any that aren't.
They wear out quickly so don't do it as a replacement for a switch.


Dave

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:40:19 +0100, dennis@home wrote:



"Dave" wrote in message
...
Are they hot pluggable?

I don't know any that aren't.

Depends on definition. I've never found anything that broke due to
changing a lead on the fly, but OTOH I thought they lacked any kind of
facility to tell the connected devices that a cable had been removed, so
they're not hot pluggable in that sense.

ISTR certain wiring and devices could detect presence or absence of
signal, but I think they're doing exactly that, rather than there being
any kind of intelligence at work.

They wear out quickly so don't do it as a replacement for a switch.

They're just about the worse connectors I've ever found. Why they chose
to use a connector for SCART that looks like it came from a kid's Duplo
set, I don't know. Wobbly edge-connectors in Sinclair Spectrums were
better, even.

The only good thing is that at least the UK *had* something of an AV
component RGB standard, unlike here in the US where everyone just put up
with RF or composite fuzz-o-vision ;-)

cheers

Jules

In message . com, Jules
writes
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:40:19 +0100, dennis@home wrote:



"Dave" wrote in message
...
Are they hot pluggable?

I don't know any that aren't.

Depends on definition. I've never found anything that broke due to
changing a lead on the fly, but OTOH I thought they lacked any kind of
facility to tell the connected devices that a cable had been removed, so
they're not hot pluggable in that sense.

ISTR certain wiring and devices could detect presence or absence of
signal, but I think they're doing exactly that, rather than there being
any kind of intelligence at work.

They wear out quickly so don't do it as a replacement for a switch.

They're just about the worse connectors I've ever found. Why they chose
to use a connector for SCART that looks like it came from a kid's Duplo
set, I don't know. Wobbly edge-connectors in Sinclair Spectrums were
better, even.

That's because the bloody things are French. Only the Frogs could design
something that absolutely awful and have it accepted as a standard item.

Roll on the referendum!

The only good thing is that at least the UK *had* something of an AV
component RGB standard, unlike here in the US where everyone just put up
with RF or composite fuzz-o-vision ;-)

cheers

Jules


--
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Ying tong iddle-i po!

In article ,
Dave wrote:
Are they hot pluggable?

Can't think of anything that would be damaged by doing so. You can get
(or could) mechanical SCART switches which essentially do just that.

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On 9 Oct, 21:52, Peter Twydell wrote:


That's because the bloody things are French. Only the Frogs could design
something that absolutely awful and have it accepted as a standard item.

It's thier way of getting back at us for Agincourt.

Jules wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:40:19 +0100, dennis@home wrote:


"Dave" wrote in message
...
Are they hot pluggable?
I don't know any that aren't.

Depends on definition. I've never found anything that broke due to
changing a lead on the fly, but OTOH I thought they lacked any kind of
facility to tell the connected devices that a cable had been removed, so
they're not hot pluggable in that sense.

ISTR certain wiring and devices could detect presence or absence of
signal, but I think they're doing exactly that, rather than there being
any kind of intelligence at work.

They wear out quickly so don't do it as a replacement for a switch.

They're just about the worse connectors I've ever found. Why they chose
to use a connector for SCART that looks like it came from a kid's Duplo
set, I don't know. Wobbly edge-connectors in Sinclair Spectrums were
better, even.

The only good thing is that at least the UK *had* something of an AV
component RGB standard, unlike here in the US where everyone just put up
with RF or composite fuzz-o-vision ;-)

cheers

Jules

The name perhaps comes from Some Connectors Are Really Tinny

Peter Scott

In article . com,
Jules wrote:
They're just about the worse connectors I've ever found. Why they chose
to use a connector for SCART that looks like it came from a kid's Duplo
set, I don't know. Wobbly edge-connectors in Sinclair Spectrums were
better, even.

The problem is not so much with the connector but with the over stiff
cables often used. If you must use such a stiff cable you really need a
locking connector, such as the standard D types. Ribbon cable type ones
are ok as they are much more flexible.

Plenty of similar flat pin connectors around.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article . com,
Jules wrote:
They're just about the worse connectors I've ever found. Why they chose
to use a connector for SCART that looks like it came from a kid's Duplo
set, I don't know. Wobbly edge-connectors in Sinclair Spectrums were
better, even.

The problem is not so much with the connector but with the over stiff
cables often used. If you must use such a stiff cable you really need a
locking connector, such as the standard D types. Ribbon cable type ones
are ok as they are much more flexible.

Plenty of similar flat pin connectors around.

The other thing that makes SCART troublesome is that is' a big plug with
a heavy cable, but no retention mecahnism. Duuuuh. What a good idean
that wasn't.

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:29:04 -0500, Jules wrote:

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:40:19 +0100, dennis@home wrote:



"Dave" wrote in message
...
Are they hot pluggable?

I don't know any that aren't.

Depends on definition. I've never found anything that broke due to
changing a lead on the fly, but OTOH I thought they lacked any kind of
facility to tell the connected devices that a cable had been removed, so
they're not hot pluggable in that sense.

ISTR certain wiring and devices could detect presence or absence of
signal, but I think they're doing exactly that, rather than there being
any kind of intelligence at work.

They wear out quickly so don't do it as a replacement for a switch.

They're just about the worse connectors I've ever found. Why they chose
to use a connector for SCART that looks like it came from a kid's Duplo
set, I don't know. Wobbly edge-connectors in Sinclair Spectrums were
better, even.

The only good thing is that at least the UK *had* something of an AV
component RGB standard, unlike here in the US where everyone just put up
with RF or composite fuzz-o-vision ;-)



The SCART plug system *when properly implemented* is actually pretty
good. Unfortunately nastily made plugs and very cheap leads have given
the system a bad name. Well-made plugs don't fall out of well-made
sockets! Ok, it's rather dated now and some of the modern requirements
aren't met by SCART, but that isn't really SCART's fault as the designers
couldn't predict the future too well 30 years ago...

Try some well-made leads. They're well worth it for those of us who are
still using SCART.

--
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Web: http://www.nascom.info
Filtering everything posted from googlegroups to kill spam.

1501 wrote:
On 9 Oct, 21:52, Peter Twydell wrote:

That's because the bloody things are French. Only the Frogs could design
something that absolutely awful and have it accepted as a standard item.

It's thier way of getting back at us for Agincourt.

We'll have to show them 2 fingers again. Come the referendum :-)

Dave

dennis@home wrote:


"Dave" wrote in message
...
Are they hot pluggable?

I don't know any that aren't.
They wear out quickly so don't do it as a replacement for a switch.

Thanks Denis and all the other posters.

I want to change the configuration live.

The situation is as follows.

In my hobby room, I have a 14 inch TV with one scart connection. 2 dvd
readers, one of which can write to a DVD and hard disk. 2 Video
recorders, one with no scart. A free view box, or three. And a 3 input
scart switch. Last night, I got the video recorder talking to the DVD
re-recorder and I could see what was going on with the TV.

I successfully recorded from tape to hard drive, so my next task is to
record to DVD.

What I am going to try to do is transfer anything from old, that is on
tape to DVD.

Dave

In article ,
mick wrote:

The SCART plug system *when properly implemented* is actually pretty
good. Unfortunately nastily made plugs and very cheap leads have given
the system a bad name. Well-made plugs don't fall out of well-made
sockets! Ok, it's rather dated now and some of the modern requirements
aren't met by SCART, but that isn't really SCART's fault as the designers
couldn't predict the future too well 30 years ago...

My main annoyance with them at the moment is the size of the plugs. We've
a LCD telly in the bedroom and management want it hung on the wall. Fine,
but i need ot feed it with a scart lead from the cable tv box. Plan is to
hide cable box in the large built in wardrobe but to do that I need to
cut a huge hole big enough for the massive scart plug :-/

Either that or sit in the wardrobe soldering a plug on and making my own :-(

Talking of which, free delivery from maplin this weekend so I thought I'd
get the bits I need to make my own. Seems they only sell crap scart plugs
and I can't even find the cable :-( I've largely given up with maplin :-(

Darren

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:56:29 +0000, D.M.Chapman wrote:

Talking of which, free delivery from maplin this weekend so I thought
I'd get the bits I need to make my own. Seems they only sell crap scart
plugs and I can't even find the cable :-( I've largely given up with
maplin :-(

CPC sell the cable, in 25m reels, at £150 a reel! Hate to think of the
price in short lengths, if you can find a supplier.

Not ideal, but if you could get a suitable lead that fans out into
smaller connectors, and connect two of them (one 'in', one 'out'), you
could get the smaller connectors through a smaller hole. Problem is you
may not get the control signals passed through, not to mention a bit of
loss in the connectors.

If you have to do a large hole, you could use a cable tidy (as they use
in the tops of desks) to tidy the hole.




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http://www.mirrorservice.org

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:56:29 +0000, D.M.Chapman wrote:

Talking of which, free delivery from maplin this weekend so I thought
I'd get the bits I need to make my own. Seems they only sell crap scart
plugs and I can't even find the cable :-( I've largely given up with
maplin :-(

CPC sell the cable, in 25m reels, at £150 a reel! Hate to think of the
price in short lengths, if you can find a supplier.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=293

You can halve the work by buying a scart to scart lead and cutting one end
off and soldering a new one on after threading the cable.

I found a crimped lead and popped the pins out once, I have no idea what
make it was though.

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:

CPC sell the cable, in 25m reels, at £150 a reel! Hate to think of the
price in short lengths, if you can find a supplier.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=293

Ahha, that's the stuff. Crappy search engine on there!

You can halve the work by buying a scart to scart lead and cutting one end
off and soldering a new one on after threading the cable.

Tried that - the shielding was made largely from what appeared to be
ultrathing copper foil that was impossible to solder. This wasn't a
cheap cable either (5m - cost 30 quid or so many years back).

I found a crimped lead and popped the pins out once, I have no idea what
make it was though.


Hmmmm...yeah, I've done that once before now you mention it. I wonder...

Cheers,

Darren

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:

CPC sell the cable, in 25m reels, at £150 a reel! Hate to think of the
price in short lengths, if you can find a supplier.

Maplin do it by the metre - just their search engine is crap and I couldn't
find it (although their site appears to be completely buggered now)

Not ideal, but if you could get a suitable lead that fans out into
smaller connectors, and connect two of them (one 'in', one 'out'), you
could get the smaller connectors through a smaller hole. Problem is you
may not get the control signals passed through, not to mention a bit of
loss in the connectors.

Fine if you want Comp video and audio. Not so good for me as I want RGB.
Also, as you say, I'd need to sort out the control signals. I'd end up
having to make my own anyway :-(

If you have to do a large hole, you could use a cable tidy (as they use
in the tops of desks) to tidy the hole.

This is a large sliding door wardrobe that is nearly 4m long. The bit I'd
have to cut the hole in is only 20mm wide so it'd be more of a slot than a
hole. It's also finished with a moulding to would be near impossible to
fill and hide afterwards.

I did ponder one of the wireless video senders - any one know if any of those
do rgb or are they just comp vid (I suspect so...)

Darren

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:40:18 +0000, D.M.Chapman wrote:

In article , Bob Eager
wrote:

CPC sell the cable, in 25m reels, at £150 a reel! Hate to think of the
price in short lengths, if you can find a supplier.

Maplin do it by the metre - just their search engine is crap and I
couldn't find it (although their site appears to be completely
buggered now)

Not ideal, but if you could get a suitable lead that fans out into
smaller connectors, and connect two of them (one 'in', one 'out'), you
could get the smaller connectors through a smaller hole. Problem is you
may not get the control signals passed through, not to mention a bit of
loss in the connectors.

Fine if you want Comp video and audio. Not so good for me as I want RGB.
Also, as you say, I'd need to sort out the control signals. I'd end up
having to make my own anyway :-(

No, I saw some that did RGB too.

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http://www.mirrorservice.org

In message , D.M.Chapman
writes
In article ,
mick wrote:

The SCART plug system *when properly implemented* is actually pretty
good. Unfortunately nastily made plugs and very cheap leads have given
the system a bad name. Well-made plugs don't fall out of well-made
sockets! Ok, it's rather dated now and some of the modern requirements
aren't met by SCART, but that isn't really SCART's fault as the designers
couldn't predict the future too well 30 years ago...

My main annoyance with them at the moment is the size of the plugs. We've
a LCD telly in the bedroom and management want it hung on the wall. Fine,
but i need ot feed it with a scart lead from the cable tv box. Plan is to
hide cable box in the large built in wardrobe but to do that I need to
cut a huge hole big enough for the massive scart plug :-/

Either that or sit in the wardrobe soldering a plug on and making my own :-(

Talking of which, free delivery from maplin this weekend so I thought I'd
get the bits I need to make my own. Seems they only sell crap scart plugs
and I can't even find the cable :-( I've largely given up with maplin :-(

Http://cpc.farnell.com/profigold/pgv...-5m/dp/AV18469

--
geoff

In article ,
D.M.Chapman dmc@puffin. wrote:
The SCART plug system *when properly implemented* is actually pretty
good. Unfortunately nastily made plugs and very cheap leads have given
the system a bad name. Well-made plugs don't fall out of well-made
sockets! Ok, it's rather dated now and some of the modern requirements
aren't met by SCART, but that isn't really SCART's fault as the
designers couldn't predict the future too well 30 years ago...

My main annoyance with them at the moment is the size of the plugs. We've
a LCD telly in the bedroom and management want it hung on the wall. Fine,
but i need ot feed it with a scart lead from the cable tv box. Plan is to
hide cable box in the large built in wardrobe but to do that I need to
cut a huge hole big enough for the massive scart plug :-/

Think most 21 pin connectors would need a large hole. The alternative is
to use individual phonos etc for the various video and audio signals - but
then you'd need extra for the data lines. At least SCARTS are easy to plug
up.

Either that or sit in the wardrobe soldering a plug on and making my own :-(

Talking of which, free delivery from maplin this weekend so I thought I'd
get the bits I need to make my own. Seems they only sell crap scart plugs
and I can't even find the cable :-( I've largely given up with maplin :-(

Cut a plug off a ready made one and fit a new one? Maplin used to sell
SCART cable by the meter. Dunno about now.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:28:56 GMT, Chris Bartram wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article . com,
Jules wrote:
They're just about the worse connectors I've ever found. Why they chose
to use a connector for SCART that looks like it came from a kid's Duplo
set, I don't know. Wobbly edge-connectors in Sinclair Spectrums were
better, even.

The problem is not so much with the connector but with the over stiff
cables often used. If you must use such a stiff cable you really need a
locking connector, such as the standard D types. Ribbon cable type ones
are ok as they are much more flexible.

Plenty of similar flat pin connectors around.

The other thing that makes SCART troublesome is that is' a big plug with
a heavy cable, but no retention mecahnism. Duuuuh. What a good idean
that wasn't.

Like SATA 1 - small plug, poor engagement and stiff cable; also SATA power
lead can split the plug.

Those who 'design' these things are obviously too lazy/ignorant/stupid to
make them reliable and useable.
--
Peter.
The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.

In article ,
PeterC writes:

Like SATA 1 - small plug, poor engagement and stiff cable; also SATA power
lead can split the plug.

Those who 'design' these things are obviously too lazy/ignorant/stupid to
make them reliable and useable.

Can't recall that I've had any problems with the SATA/SAS connectors,
and I've probably used 1000 or so in the last couple of years.
Even the 20-30 dirt cheap ones I bought at computer fairs have worked
fine, and I've never seen a SATA power connector split. (Actually, I
have tried and failed to split some, in an effort to make a connection
to the remote LED pin, which consumer grade ones never seem to have.)
Where on earth do you get yours from?

--
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[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:53:17 +0100, PeterC wrote:

Those who 'design' these things are obviously too lazy/ignorant/stupid
to make them reliable and useable.

I wouldn't be so hasty to blame the designers of the connector. I'd
look hard at the makers choosing inappropriate materials or skimping
where ever they can.

Look at the difference between neutrik XLR connectors and the cheap
XLRs that come out of the Far East. Same connector but completely
different in reliability and robustness.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:53:35 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article ,
PeterC writes:

Like SATA 1 - small plug, poor engagement and stiff cable; also SATA power
lead can split the plug.

Those who 'design' these things are obviously too lazy/ignorant/stupid to
make them reliable and useable.

Can't recall that I've had any problems with the SATA/SAS connectors,
and I've probably used 1000 or so in the last couple of years.
Even the 20-30 dirt cheap ones I bought at computer fairs have worked
fine, and I've never seen a SATA power connector split. (Actually, I
have tried and failed to split some, in an effort to make a connection
to the remote LED pin, which consumer grade ones never seem to have.)
Where on earth do you get yours from?

With MoBo, generally. One side of the SATA power plug is very thin plastic;
I had a fault with a drive and found that the plug had split but still
looked OK. The discs are across the case, so there is limited space for the
leads and stiff leads put a lot of strain on connectors.
As it's possible to get flexible cables, I can't see why stiff ones are
supplied as standard.
--
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The head of a pin will hold more angels if
it's been flattened with an angel-grinder.

On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:53:17 +0100, PeterC
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:28:56 GMT, Chris Bartram wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article . com,
Jules wrote:
They're just about the worse connectors I've ever found. Why they chose
to use a connector for SCART that looks like it came from a kid's Duplo
set, I don't know. Wobbly edge-connectors in Sinclair Spectrums were
better, even.

The problem is not so much with the connector but with the over stiff
cables often used. If you must use such a stiff cable you really need a
locking connector, such as the standard D types. Ribbon cable type ones
are ok as they are much more flexible.

Plenty of similar flat pin connectors around.

The other thing that makes SCART troublesome is that is' a big plug with
a heavy cable, but no retention mecahnism. Duuuuh. What a good idean
that wasn't.

Like SATA 1 - small plug, poor engagement and stiff cable; also SATA power
lead can split the plug.

Those who 'design' these things are obviously too lazy/ignorant/stupid to
make them reliable and useable.

Nowadays "design" just means making them a pretty colour.
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:34:39 +0100, Mark wrote:
Those who 'design' these things are obviously too lazy/ignorant/stupid to
make them reliable and useable.

Nowadays "design" just means making them a pretty colour.

It means making them as cheaply as possible - and as small as possible,
because consumers absolutely love things that are as compact as they can
possibly be, even if it compromises structural strength.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:53:17 +0100, PeterC wrote:

Those who 'design' these things are obviously too lazy/ignorant/stupid
to make them reliable and useable.

I wouldn't be so hasty to blame the designers of the connector. I'd
look hard at the makers choosing inappropriate materials or skimping
where ever they can.





The designer should specify the materials and even the method of manufacture

On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:56:29 +0000, D.M.Chapman wrote:

In article , mick
wrote:

The SCART plug system *when properly implemented* is actually pretty
good. Unfortunately nastily made plugs and very cheap leads have given
the system a bad name. Well-made plugs don't fall out of well-made
sockets! Ok, it's rather dated now and some of the modern requirements
aren't met by SCART, but that isn't really SCART's fault as the
designers couldn't predict the future too well 30 years ago...

My main annoyance with them at the moment is the size of the plugs.
We've a LCD telly in the bedroom and management want it hung on the
wall. Fine, but i need ot feed it with a scart lead from the cable tv
box. Plan is to hide cable box in the large built in wardrobe but to do
that I need to cut a huge hole big enough for the massive scart plug :-/

Either that or sit in the wardrobe soldering a plug on and making my own
:-(

Talking of which, free delivery from maplin this weekend so I thought
I'd get the bits I need to make my own. Seems they only sell crap scart
plugs and I can't even find the cable :-( I've largely given up with
maplin :-(



These people have just what you need...
http://www.tvcables.co.uk/

A 5m scart lead designed to go through a wall. :-)

--
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Web: http://www.nascom.info
Filtering everything posted from googlegroups to kill spam.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:04:20 +0100, John wrote:

Those who 'design' these things are obviously too
lazy/ignorant/stupid
to make them reliable and useable.

I wouldn't be so hasty to blame the designers of the connector.
I'd
look hard at the makers choosing inappropriate materials or
skimping
where ever they can.

The designer should specify the materials and even the method of
manufacture

Operative word "should".

The designer should...
The manufacturer should...

Doesn't mean either will, especially when talking about mass produced
consumer items were the most important thing is making as a cheap a
possible that still just about does what it's supposed to do.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:04:20 +0100, John wrote:

Those who 'design' these things are obviously too
lazy/ignorant/stupid
to make them reliable and useable.
I wouldn't be so hasty to blame the designers of the connector.
I'd
look hard at the makers choosing inappropriate materials or
skimping
where ever they can.
The designer should specify the materials and even the method of
manufacture

Operative word "should".

The designer should...
The manufacturer should...

Doesn't mean either will, especially when talking about mass produced
consumer items were the most important thing is making as a cheap a
possible that still just about does what it's supposed to do.


I wonder how many tvs and dvds have been saved by the loose fitting
scart. When her indoors decides that the hoover must get down amongst
the cables there's no knowing what will be dragged out and in what order

In article ,
mick wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:56:29 +0000, D.M.Chapman wrote:

These people have just what you need...
http://www.tvcables.co.uk/

A 5m scart lead designed to go through a wall. :-)


Hmmm...that's tempting....

I wonder if it's RGB - 13 pin so I imagine so. Hmmmmmm

cheers!

Darren

In article ,
D.M.Chapman dmc@puffin. wrote:
In article ,
mick wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:56:29 +0000, D.M.Chapman wrote:

These people have just what you need...
http://www.tvcables.co.uk/

A 5m scart lead designed to go through a wall. :-)


Hmmm...that's tempting....

I wonder if it's RGB - 13 pin so I imagine so. Hmmmmmm

13 pin?.

But if anyone sells a SCART lead which isn't RGB without saying so, they
should be in trouble with trading standards.

If you want good priced decent flat SCART leads have a look at CPC.
They're only a few pounds.

cheers!

Darren

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
D.M.Chapman dmc@puffin. wrote:
mick wrote:

A 5m scart lead designed to go through a wall. :-)

I wonder if it's RGB - 13 pin so I imagine so. Hmmmmmm

13 pin?.

I think they're looking at this:
http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tv...all-scart.html

Pete

In article ,
Pete Verdon d wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

A 5m scart lead designed to go through a wall. :-)

I wonder if it's RGB - 13 pin so I imagine so. Hmmmmmm

13 pin?.

I think they're looking at this:
http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tv...all-scart.html


Yep.

Dave - I've got flat ones and all sorts of flavours. Problem I have is I
need to thread it through a wall and would rather not make a scart plug
sized hole in the wall...is this is any good then it would need a much
smaller hole...

Need RGB and the signalling pin connected though.

Tempted to try one

Darren

In article ,
Pete Verdon d wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
D.M.Chapman dmc@puffin. wrote:
mick wrote:

A 5m scart lead designed to go through a wall. :-)

I wonder if it's RGB - 13 pin so I imagine so. Hmmmmmm

13 pin?.

I think they're looking at this:
http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tv...all-scart.html

Right - couldn't find it.

Here's the connections for a standard SCART :-

SCART RGB (input)



1 - Audio out R
2 - Audio in R
3 - Audio out L
4 - Audio Ground
5 - Blue Ground
6 - Audio in L
7 - Blue (0.7Vpp/75ohm)
8 - Comp. Status - in 0-2V : INT
4.5-7V : EXT 16:9
9.5-12V : EXT 4:3
9 - Green Ground
10 - NC
11 - Green (0.7Vpp/75ohm)
12 - Nc
13 - Red Ground
14 - RGB Status
15 - Red (0.7Vpp/75ohm)
16 - RGB Status (0-0.4V:INT 1-3V:EXT/75ohm)
17 - Comp Ground
18 - Comp Ground
19 - Sync/Comp In (1Vpp/75ohm)
20 - Comp Out (1Vpp/75ohm)
21 - Screen

If you remove the audio and composite out that only saves 3 cables. Add in
the two usually NC makes 5. Which leaves 16. I'd guess they're making some
compromises with the grounds.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Oct 10, 6:15*pm, Dave wrote:
1501 wrote:
On 9 Oct, 21:52, Peter Twydell wrote:

That's because the bloody things are French. Only the Frogs could design
something that absolutely awful and have it accepted as a standard item.

It's thier way of getting back at us for Agincourt.

We'll have to show them 2 fingers again. Come the referendum *:-)


an early form of digital communication.

R

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If you remove the audio and composite out that only saves 3 cables. Add in
the two usually NC makes 5. Which leaves 16. I'd guess they're making some
compromises with the grounds.

I emailed them to ask (after finding someone who bought one from ebay that
looks *identical* but is composite only) and got the following:

"The carry RGB, not sure about pin 8, they get round the pin limitation by
connecting all the grounds together."

So, yes it's RGB, yes they compromise with the grounds but still unknown on
the switching :-/. (Top marks on their response time though - very quick).

I think I'm heading back to a couple of plugs and me sitting swearing in
the built in wardrobe burning my fingers with a soldering iron for a
while :-(

Darren

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:45:36 +0000 (UTC), D.M.Chapman wrote:

I think I'm heading back to a couple of plugs and me sitting swearing in
the built in wardrobe burning my fingers with a soldering iron for a
while :-(

Why don't you thread it the other way so the plug you need to refit
is outside the wardrobe?

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Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
D.M.Chapman dmc@puffin. wrote:
I think I'm heading back to a couple of plugs and me sitting swearing in
the built in wardrobe burning my fingers with a soldering iron for a
while :-(

Best way is with a small vice to hold the plug and a pair of 'helping
hands' for the cable.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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