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... Tim S gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: BTW - I don't have a CompSci degree I do. - I worked in the "hard way" from another numerate discipline - I wish I had done CompSci because it would have made doing the right thing the first time much easier in so many projects... I wouldn't put money on that... Well, it was just silly things like having a more formal approach, having a pocket full of algorithms instead of having to dig through Knuth or the internet every time I wanted to do something a little bit interesting... Knuth? Who or what is Knuth? checks Wiki Oh. Never heard of him... Too many people haven't :-( |
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dennis@home coughed up some electrons that declared:
"Tim S" wrote in message ... The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared: The phsicists and scientists thought about it first THEN rippoed off te code, took a bit longer and produced a better result. Spooky - that's what I do... When I was coding in the early '80s there wasn't any code to rip off. We had to do it from scratch. The code you rip off is probably the stuff we wrote. Only if you write open source software. The best software designer/writer I knew at the time was a zoologist BTW. When we (GEC) were recruiting we didn't care what degree people had as long as they could think. Even then a lot of graduates couldn't think. I did notice the low regard for software degrees though. The largest group had degrees in physics. We were a bit atypical though as we also designed the hardware and would sometimes change the hardware as it was easier than changing the software. We also did things like designing in hardware to trace execution of code so we could see what was happening without having to single step stuff (not much use on multiprocessor real time systems). Cool |
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Tim S wrote:
The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared: If you need a sorting algorithm or a funky tree algorithm to name but a few, Knuth is extremely useful IMO. Most orf those are already written and live in your system libraries. Someone has to write the libraries Not any more.. |
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The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared:
Tim S wrote: The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared: If you need a sorting algorithm or a funky tree algorithm to name but a few, Knuth is extremely useful IMO. Most orf those are already written and live in your system libraries. Someone has to write the libraries Not any more.. They do if a new language is developed. Or if those libraries depend on so many other libraries or were written in a fat or OO framework that makes it impractical to port to a tiny architechture like an AVR or PIC. |
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Owain gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying: Erm. What did you write your dissertation with? Word? Bit further back than that. Can't remember what the word processor was called on the Atari ST - but, yes, my final year project did focus on the ergonomics of word processor user interfaces, as it happens. A lucky guess on your part, I suspect. Congratulations. I remember 1st Word Plus on the Atari (used it in 1st year undergrad). IIRC it had the endearing habit of, when renumbering footnotes meant footnote 10 became footnote 9, leaving a superfluous space in front of the 9. Before that I used WordStar at college and then at uni I had to write my essays in vecce on the VAX before I bought my Atari. I can remember my excitement at getting a computer with half a megabyte of memory when the VAXen only had 4 or 6. And I had a printer - Star LC-10. *That* was the luxury, there were quite a few BBC Micros on the corridor in hall, but not many people had printers. God, yes - I had an LC-10, too. I remember the HP Deskjet 500 coming out - major lust object, an INKJET! And so cheap! Only £500... And pricing up a PC - oooh, I could almost stretch to a 386SX, if I specced it up carefully - only about £1500. Mind you, the first computer we had at home was a Sinclair, of course. Not a Speccy. Not even a ZX81. A ZX80... Then a Sharp MZ-80K. Think they're still in my mother's loft somewhere. |
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Tim S wrote:
(hint IBM Hursley don't recruit people with Applied Javascript and Flash Wibbling) Probably not, but we do have plenty of people with non-CS degrees around the place. I know an astronomer and an agricultural chemist, and I've heard tell that somewhere around the place is a guy with a postgraduate qualification in Crustacean Pharmacology (prescribing drugs to lobsters?). Mostly Maths, Physics and CS though, it's true. Pete |
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Pete Verdon d gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying: and I've heard tell that somewhere around the place is a guy with a postgraduate qualification in Crustacean Pharmacology I can't be the only one who initially read that as Crustacean Psychology. |
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Adrian wrote:
Pete Verdon d gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: and I've heard tell that somewhere around the place is a guy with a postgraduate qualification in Crustacean Pharmacology I can't be the only one who initially read that as Crustacean Psychology. ...sit on the couch whilst I murmur into your shell-like.. |
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Owain gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying: Between the LC10 and the IBM4019 I had a Panasonic daisywheel typewriter with an external parallel i/f adapter. WordPerfect were nice enough to write me a custom printer driver. Migawd, can you imagine that these days...? |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
The CV is really just to get you to interview. There's an important method for short circuiting this though, and that's networking - making use of your network of friends and former work colleagues. As a recruiter, a personal recommendation is worth far more than any CV, so get linked to your former colleagues through services such as linkedin.com so you don't lose contact. It's often stated that most successful applicants made the initial approach through their network, not through agencies. (You still need just as good a CV though.) One other very important thing - have someone else proof-read it for you, and make sure there are no errors in either your grammar or your spelling. I've sifted through thousands of CVs, and the surest way to have yours binned, is lack of attention to detail. Anyone who can't be bothered to get his CV right, isn't likely to be careful and precise in the execution of his duties. |
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Adrian wrote:
Owain gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Between the LC10 and the IBM4019 I had a Panasonic daisywheel typewriter with an external parallel i/f adapter. WordPerfect were nice enough to write me a custom printer driver. Migawd, can you imagine that these days...? Don't need to: lived through them. Wrote the odd driver too.. |
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes "Tim S" wrote in message ... The Natural Philosopher coughed up some electrons that declared: The phsicists and scientists thought about it first THEN rippoed off te code, took a bit longer and produced a better result. Spooky - that's what I do... When I was coding in the early '80s there wasn't any code to rip off. We had to do it from scratch. The code you rip off is probably the stuff we wrote. You're a laugh a minute dennis The best software designer/writer I knew at the time was a zoologist BTW. When we (GEC) were recruiting we didn't care what degree people had as long as they could think. Unless it was a Ph.D Even then a lot of graduates couldn't think. I did notice the low regard for software degrees though. The largest group had degrees in physics. We're the creme de la creme denboi We were a bit atypical though as we also designed the hardware and would sometimes change the hardware as it was easier than changing the software. We also did things like designing in hardware to trace execution of code so we could see what was happening without having to single step stuff (not much use on multiprocessor real time systems). Like most small early development teams denboi -- geoff |
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Adrian wrote:
Huge gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: BTW - I don't have a CompSci degree I do. Knuth? Who or what is Knuth? checks Wiki Oh. Never heard of him... IncredulousYou have a CS degree and you've never heard of Knuth?/ Yup. Clue: I'm no software engineer. Never have been. Never wanted to be. Just to chip in late - what exactly were you doing on your compsci degree that didn't involve _any_ software engineering? I'd be fascinated to know where it was. Not the same place as Bob or Tim, I imagine. Andy |
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Andy Champ gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying: Knuth? Who or what is Knuth? checks Wiki Oh. Never heard of him... IncredulousYou have a CS degree and you've never heard of Knuth?/ Yup. Clue: I'm no software engineer. Never have been. Never wanted to be. Just to chip in late - what exactly were you doing on your compsci degree that didn't involve _any_ software engineering? There is _quite_ a lot more to "Computer Science" than being a code- monkey, of course. dives for cover, as code-monkeys throw bananas... Sure, there was some SE in the first two years, and this was 20yrs ago, but I don't recall Knuth's name even vaguely. Mebbe we did cover him, and I've just forgotten. shrug When it came to final year, which is where he'd probably have come in, we chose what to study. I went down the Info Systems Mgmt & HCI/UI routes. I'd be fascinated to know where it was. Greenwich. |
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On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:05:38 +0000, Adrian wrote:
Andy Champ gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Knuth? Who or what is Knuth? checks Wiki Oh. Never heard of him... IncredulousYou have a CS degree and you've never heard of Knuth?/ Yup. Clue: I'm no software engineer. Never have been. Never wanted to be. Just to chip in late - what exactly were you doing on your compsci degree that didn't involve _any_ software engineering? There is _quite_ a lot more to "Computer Science" than being a code- monkey, of course. dives for cover, as code-monkeys throw bananas... Sure, there was some SE in the first two years, and this was 20yrs ago, but I don't recall Knuth's name even vaguely. Mebbe we did cover him, and I've just forgotten. shrug When it came to final year, which is where he'd probably have come in, we chose what to study. I went down the Info Systems Mgmt & HCI/UI routes. I'd be fascinated to know where it was. Greenwich. I couldn't possibly comment. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Unbeliever" saying something like: ROTFL - let's list that: ****, but you are a tedious ****. |