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For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert |
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RobertL wrote:
For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert taking old pine crap and reusing it makes it still old pine crap IMHO. The victorians used pine because they hadn't invented chipboard or MDF. why not get some decent wood in there if you are going to all that trouble? Elm maybe..now that IS worth reclaiming. Or how about brand new oak? Its not that expensive.. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert taking old pine crap and reusing it makes it still old pine crap IMHO. Decent pine is an excellent wood for construction. What is called pine these days is nothing like the stuff the Victorians used. The victorians used pine because they hadn't invented chipboard or MDF. Strange how many of their buildings are still standing then. But perhaps you think a house using those will last as long? why not get some decent wood in there if you are going to all that trouble? Elm maybe..now that IS worth reclaiming. Or how about brand new oak? Its not that expensive.. No? And green oak will move every each way. Reclaimed pine won't. -- *The colder the X-ray table, the more of your body is required on it * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert taking old pine crap and reusing it makes it still old pine crap IMHO. Decent pine is an excellent wood for construction. What is called pine these days is nothing like the stuff the Victorians used. The victorians used pine because they hadn't invented chipboard or MDF. Strange how many of their buildings are still standing then. Compared with how many have been trashed as basically BER? Not really. But perhaps you think a house using those will last as long? of course. MDF and chipoard wont fall to pieces if it doesn't get damp. why not get some decent wood in there if you are going to all that trouble? Elm maybe..now that IS worth reclaiming. Or how about brand new oak? Its not that expensive.. No? And green oak will move every each way. Reclaimed pine won't. who said anything about *green* oak? Reclaimed pine WILL. If it suffers humidity changes. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: Or how about brand new oak? Its not that expensive.. No? And green oak will move every each way. Reclaimed pine won't. who said anything about *green* oak? If it is brand new it will be? Or are you saying well seasoned oak is cheap? -- *You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: Or how about brand new oak? Its not that expensive.. No? And green oak will move every each way. Reclaimed pine won't. who said anything about *green* oak? If it is brand new it will be? Or are you saying well seasoned oak is cheap? its not that expensive. I picked up enough to floor a room, if it had been flooring rather than dooring, for a couple of hundred. Nice new seasoned european ok.. Recycled victoriana is a con game. Their cast iron was good. Their wood was not, unless it was elm or somesuch. |
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RobertL wrote:
For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. This reminds me of European Whitewood aka Xmas tree. The dark ring round the knots, and the fluffy end grain suggest some kind of spruce, but the 12" width is mighty unusual. From the photos I'd say it wouldn't be a particularly hard wearing material. A bit of a gamble given that you don't know too much about the timber. The terms "Quebec Pine" and "seasoned" really don't mean anything. 100 year old timber is just as likely to distort as the modern stuff if it's encountering central heating for the first time. Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert |
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Stuart Noble wrote:
RobertL wrote: For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. This reminds me of European Whitewood aka Xmas tree. The dark ring round the knots, and the fluffy end grain suggest some kind of spruce, but the 12" width is mighty unusual. From the photos I'd say it wouldn't be a particularly hard wearing material. A bit of a gamble given that you don't know too much about the timber. The terms "Quebec Pine" and "seasoned" really don't mean anything. 100 year old timber is just as likely to distort as the modern stuff if it's encountering central heating for the first time. absolutely. silk purses and sows ears.. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Stuart Noble wrote: RobertL wrote: For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. This reminds me of European Whitewood aka Xmas tree. The dark ring round the knots, and the fluffy end grain suggest some kind of spruce, but the 12" width is mighty unusual. From the photos I'd say it wouldn't be a particularly hard wearing material. A bit of a gamble given that you don't know too much about the timber. The terms "Quebec Pine" and "seasoned" really don't mean anything. 100 year old timber is just as likely to distort as the modern stuff if it's encountering central heating for the first time. absolutely. silk purses and sows ears.. Well, that's the OP's decision. I prefer the look of pine floors, especially in smaller houses, where hardwoods can seem a little ostentatious (like stone lions). |
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On 9 Sep, 15:40, RobertL wrote:
For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable *insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. * * ebay item 130325590872 is an example. *Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? *is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert Robert I would be very very wary of cut up joists as floor boards as the defects allowed in a joist are quite likely to be unacceptable in a floor board If you must have second hand floor boards of pine (ensure Scots pine - Pinus sylvestris) then take your time and get decent pine boards Chris |
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, RobertL wrote: For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. -- *How come you never hear about gruntled employees? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , RobertL wrote: For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. Bwahahah! Best material is reserved for planed, not rough sawn. No building regs in victorian times either. If it didn't fall down, it sold. The only thing you can say, is that if it hadn't fallen down, it wasn't total rubbish. |
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On Sep 9, 9:16*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , * *RobertL wrote: For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable *insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. * * ebay item 130325590872 is an example. *Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? *is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. Bwahahah! Best material is reserved for planed, not rough sawn. No building regs in victorian times either. If it didn't fall down, it sold. The only thing you can say, is that if it hadn't fallen down, it wasn't total rubbish. There were 2 types of housing built in the 1800s: quality houses and cheap shacks. The latter are as good as all gone, what's left is almost entirely the quality builds. NT |
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NT wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:16 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , RobertL wrote: For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. Bwahahah! Best material is reserved for planed, not rough sawn. No building regs in victorian times either. If it didn't fall down, it sold. The only thing you can say, is that if it hadn't fallen down, it wasn't total rubbish. There were 2 types of housing built in the 1800s: quality houses and cheap shacks. The latter are as good as all gone, what's left is almost entirely the quality builds. NT Proof by assertion? ah.. |
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NT wrote:
On Sep 9, 9:16 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , RobertL wrote: For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. Bwahahah! Best material is reserved for planed, not rough sawn. No building regs in victorian times either. If it didn't fall down, it sold. The only thing you can say, is that if it hadn't fallen down, it wasn't total rubbish. There were 2 types of housing built in the 1800s: quality houses and cheap shacks. The latter are as good as all gone, what's left is almost entirely the quality builds. Not so sure. I lived in a cheap 1890 terrace in E London for a while. I reckon it'll outstay the mid-50s bomb site semi infills. Problems I've seen have tended to relate to foundations. Otherwise, if it's streets that get cleared for example, demolition can have little to do with quality of construction - more lack of maintenance (private landlords maybe) or planning (road widening, 'slum' clearance). Rob |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. Bwahahah! Best material is reserved for planed, not rough sawn. No building regs in victorian times either. If it didn't fall down, it sold. Structural timber has always been chosen to be knot free. Not so floorboards. And it's reasonable to assume any Victorian joists still around came from somewhere that didn't fall down - or at least not due to joists failing. I'm wondering if you have any experience of this sort of timber? The only thing you can say, is that if it hadn't fallen down, it wasn't total rubbish. -- *Remember, no-one is listening until you fart.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. Bwahahah! Best material is reserved for planed, not rough sawn. No building regs in victorian times either. If it didn't fall down, it sold. Structural timber has always been chosen to be knot free. Not so floorboards. What planet are you on? Is this a new Drivel sock puppet? And it's reasonable to assume any Victorian joists still around came from somewhere that didn't fall down - or at least not due to joists failing. I'm wondering if you have any experience of this sort of timber? Pulled enough of it totally rotten out of this house. And others. PLENTY of knots in it. The only thing you can say, is that if it hadn't fallen down, it wasn't total rubbish. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: Structural timber has always been chosen to be knot free. Not so floorboards. What planet are you on? Is this a new Drivel sock puppet? I'm wondering the same about you. I've lots of experience of London Victorian houses. And only speak from what I've seen. You'll get plenty of knots in cosmetic timber including floorboards - but not in joists, etc. And it's reasonable to assume any Victorian joists still around came from somewhere that didn't fall down - or at least not due to joists failing. I'm wondering if you have any experience of this sort of timber? Pulled enough of it totally rotten out of this house. Crap design of house, then. Plenty of those around. No wood is immune from rot if the conditions are right for it. -- *Oh, what a tangled website we weave when first we practice * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sep 9, 6:49*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. I have 30 sq m of resawn pitch pine floorboards, sawn from beams, in storage waiting to go into my master bedroom once the plaeterer has finished. They came from an eBy seller in E. Yorks. The timber is in excellent condition, with no noticeable defects. A couple of the longer boards have rectangular holes towards the ends, where the cut went across a mortise ;-) The advantage of re-sawn boards is that you get good quality 100-year- old well-seasoned timber, but newly cut and intact tongues and grooves. Regards Richard |
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, geraldthehamster wrote: Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. I have 30 sq m of resawn pitch pine floorboards, sawn from beams, in storage waiting to go into my master bedroom once the plaeterer has finished. They came from an eBy seller in E. Yorks. The timber is in excellent condition, with no noticeable defects. A couple of the longer boards have rectangular holes towards the ends, where the cut went across a mortise ;-) ;-) Indeed. The advantage of re-sawn boards is that you get good quality 100-year- old well-seasoned timber, but newly cut and intact tongues and grooves. You'd be hard pressed to find timber of that quality at affordable prices new. If at all. But most Victorian floorboards weren't tongue and groove. Too much movement in the average Victorian house. ;-) -- *Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , geraldthehamster wrote: Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. I have 30 sq m of resawn pitch pine floorboards, sawn from beams, in storage waiting to go into my master bedroom once the plaeterer has finished. They came from an eBy seller in E. Yorks. The timber is in excellent condition, with no noticeable defects. A couple of the longer boards have rectangular holes towards the ends, where the cut went across a mortise ;-) ;-) Indeed. The advantage of re-sawn boards is that you get good quality 100-year- old well-seasoned timber, but newly cut and intact tongues and grooves. You'd be hard pressed to find timber of that quality at affordable prices new. If at all. Bwahaha. http://www.ukarchitecturalantiques.c...loorboards_219 about £30 per square meter I can get oak for less than that..a lot less. Its about £30 a cubic foot. That's a raw lumber price at say 25mm thickness (planed to 19mm) of around 75p a sq foot. Or maybe £7.50 a square meter. OK sawing and planing takes it up a LOT, but not that much. http://www.adoos.co.uk/post/1942892/..._starting_from they claim £13 a square meter. Id say £20 is nearer for most places I've looked. But most Victorian floorboards weren't tongue and groove. Too much movement in the average Victorian house. ;-) And lack of spindle moulders |
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On Sep 10, 6:58*am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , *But most Victorian floorboards weren't tongue and groove. Too much movement in the average Victorian house. ;-) And lack of spindle moulders They had moulding planes and machine made moulding. Main reason they didnt T&G the boards is they saw no need to, so didnt spend the money. Many economies were made then that wouldnt be now, and vice versa. NT |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: You'd be hard pressed to find timber of that quality at affordable prices new. If at all. Bwahaha. http://www.ukarchitecturalantiques.c...loorboards_219 about £30 per square meter I can get oak for less than that..a lot less. So give the URL so we can compare. Plus of course, if you already have pine, you may want to match it. Its about £30 a cubic foot. That's a raw lumber price at say 25mm thickness (planed to 19mm) of around 75p a sq foot. Or maybe £7.50 a square meter. OK sawing and planing takes it up a LOT, but not that much. http://www.adoos.co.uk/post/1942892/..._starting_from they claim £13 a square meter. Id say £20 is nearer for most places I've looked. But most Victorian floorboards weren't tongue and groove. Too much movement in the average Victorian house. ;-) And lack of spindle moulders More ********. HTF do you think they made all those mouldings? By hand? -- *Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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I can get oak for less than that..a lot less. Its about £30 a cubic foot. That's a raw lumber price at say 25mm thickness (planed to 19mm) of around 75p a sq foot. Or maybe £7.50 a square meter. OK sawing and planing takes it up a LOT, but not that much. But oak isn't to everybody's taste aesthetically. Visually I find it a bit bland (yes, even quarter sawn), plus it reminds me of schools and official buildings. |
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geraldthehamster wrote:
On Sep 9, 6:49 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. I have 30 sq m of resawn pitch pine floorboards, sawn from beams, in storage waiting to go into my master bedroom once the plaeterer has finished. They came from an eBy seller in E. Yorks. The timber is in excellent condition, with no noticeable defects. A couple of the longer boards have rectangular holes towards the ends, where the cut went across a mortise ;-) The advantage of re-sawn boards is that you get good quality 100-year- old well-seasoned timber, but newly cut and intact tongues and grooves. Regards Richard Pitch pine is a different ball game altogether. Twice the weight of ordinary softwood and so resinous it hardly needs a finish. My Viccy balusters and newel posts are made from it, and they look a treat. However, the grain pattern is spectacular to say the least. |
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On Sep 10, 9:40*am, Stuart Noble wrote:
geraldthehamster wrote: On Sep 9, 6:49 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Likely if anything to be the very best timber of its type. I have 30 sq m of resawn pitch pine floorboards, sawn from beams, in storage waiting to go into my master bedroom once the plaeterer has finished. They came from an eBy seller in E. Yorks. The timber is in excellent condition, with no noticeable defects. A couple of the longer boards have rectangular holes towards the ends, where the cut went across a mortise ;-) The advantage of re-sawn boards is that you get good quality 100-year- old well-seasoned timber, but newly cut and intact tongues and grooves. Regards Richard Pitch pine is a different ball game altogether. Twice the weight of ordinary softwood and so resinous it hardly needs a finish. My Viccy balusters and newel posts are made from it, and they look a treat. However, the grain pattern is spectacular to say the least.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Indeed. I paid around 20 quid a sq. m. for mine, but it wasn't from a salvage yard. By the same token 30 x 100-year-old stripped pine doors cost me 100 quid. eBay is your friend, but only if you have a trailer, and are prepared to go up cart tracks ;-) Regards Richard |
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On Sep 9, 3:40*pm, RobertL wrote:
For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable *insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. * * ebay item 130325590872 is an example. *Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? *is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert Its hard to go seriously wrong with floorboards. You can use all sorts of horrible stuff for loft floors etc. At worst you might encounter a defect somewhere requiring a nogging underneath, or a cut to remove it. Just a case of dimensions really, including min length. NT |
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On 9 Sep, 15:40, RobertL wrote:
For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable *insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. * * ebay item 130325590872 is an example. *Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? *is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert This is quite a difficult one to call as the pictures do show wood that is not heavily knotted, is quite straight and tight grained, but is also from trees of quite small diameter such that it will have a tendency to cup. Add that it is not T&G and I think you might have problems with it as the t &g do tend to hold the wood flat - you nail through the tongue. If you do go for it I would recommend finding first a joiner with a spindle moulder who is prepared to cut the tongues and grooves. That may not be too easy on second hand wood as it may contain nails. Rob |
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On Sep 9, 9:24*pm, Rob G wrote:
On 9 Sep, 15:40, RobertL wrote: For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable *insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. * * ebay item 130325590872 is an example. *Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? *is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert This is quite a difficult one to call as the pictures do show wood that is not heavily knotted, is quite straight and tight grained, but is also from trees of quite small diameter such that it will have a tendency to cup. *Add that it is not T&G and I think you might have problems with it as the *t &g do tend to hold the wood flat - you nail through the tongue. If you do go for it I would recommend finding first a joiner with a spindle moulder who is prepared to cut the tongues and grooves. *That may not be too easy on second hand wood as it may contain nails. Rob I can understand that applying to new wood, but old dry timber? NT |
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This is quite a difficult one to call as the pictures do show wood that is not heavily knotted, is quite straight and tight grained The end grain looks decidedly woolly to me, unlike e.g. European Redwood, where growth rings are sharply defined. I still think it's some kind of spruce, not unlike today's studding but from a larger section. If so, it's a difficult timber to machine cleanly and won't wear well. , but is also from trees of quite small diameter such that it will have a tendency to cup. Add that it is not T&G and I think you might have problems with it as the t &g do tend to hold the wood flat - you nail through the tongue. This stuff is 12" wide, so I assume it will be for 2 x 6" boards. If you do go for it I would recommend finding first a joiner with a spindle moulder who is prepared to cut the tongues and grooves. That may not be too easy on second hand wood as it may contain nails. He'd be sharpening the cutters every five minutes if it's spruce. I think that's one of the reasons it's essentially a structural timber. |
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"RobertL" wrote in message ... For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard (with suitable insulation under). ebay item 220474833588 is an example. However, an alternative is "resawn floorboards" where the supplier has sawn up victorian joists to make 'new' old floorboards. ebay item 130325590872 is an example. Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Robert I can't imagine new floorboards from old joists will have the same patina as old original floorboards. I would want to see a sample first. Victorian houses get dismantled and the boards reclaimed so keep looking. Another thing to bear in mind, is that it is often the case that floorboards from upstairs are thinner than those downstairs. mark |
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On Sep 10, 9:35*am, "mark" wrote:
I can't imagine new floorboards from old joists will have the same patina as old original floorboards. I would want to see a sample first. Wouldn't you want to give original boards at least a light sanding? IME patina usually=dirt. Regards Richard |
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, geraldthehamster wrote: I can't imagine new floorboards from old joists will have the same patina as old original floorboards. I would want to see a sample first. Wouldn't you want to give original boards at least a light sanding? IME patina usually=dirt. Most wood changes colour on the surface when exposed to light, etc. Pine perhaps more than most. Patina on floorboards would include the usual dents etc. -- *The older you get, the better you realize you were. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sep 10, 2:21*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: Wouldn't you want to give original boards at least a light sanding? IME patina usually=dirt. Most wood changes colour on the surface when exposed to light, etc. Pine perhaps more than most. Patina on floorboards would include the usual dents etc. A light saanding removes the dirt but leaves the dents. This is what I've just done in my pine-floored hallway. The boards still look old, but not filthy ;-) If you're sanding down far enough to remove the dents, you're making work for yourself, not least in punching down all the bards beforehand. I did my hall with 80 - 150 grit in a belt sander, and managed to avoid doing that. Regards Richard |
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On Sep 10, 2:52*pm, geraldthehamster wrote:
I seem to have typed: If you're sanding down far enough to remove the dents, you're making work for yourself, not least in punching down all the bards beforehand. Damn welsh poets, no idea how to fit floors ;-) Regards Richard |
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On Sep 10, 2:21*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: I mean to add: Most wood changes colour on the surface when exposed to light, etc. Pine perhaps more than most. That's true, but any colour you lose in the sanding you'll get back within a year, assuming sunlight. Regards Richard |
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On Sep 9, 3:40*pm, RobertL wrote:
For flooring an extension to my Victorian house I am planning to use reclaimed victorian floorboard ... *Is there anything to aware of with such resawn boards? *is the joist wood likely to be softer for example, or to have more knots in it? Thank you all for your comments many of which are very helpful. Just to clarify; I want to build in sympathy with the rest of the house. This means no T+G (and no chipboard of course). It means using boards similar to the ones I already have even though better quality ones might be available. I deally I would use salvaged Victorian floorboard, but resawn joists is also an option it seems. thanks, Robert |
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Robert Laws wrote: xxx Just to clarify; I want to build in sympathy with the rest of the house. This means no T+G (and no chipboard of course). It means using boards similar to the ones I already have even though better quality ones might be available. Why not tongue and groove? The difference wont show, but if the wood does expand or contract there wont be so many draughts. Or does the secret nailing stop the groove being an expansion joint? http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...n_a_Wood_Floor And on this subject when improving victorian floors is it a good idea to put kingspan under them to insulate them and should we put a plastic vapour barrier on top of the kingspan or would that trap any spills of water in the house and cause more rot than the condensations it's supposed to stop? [g] |
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george (dicegeorge) wrote: Just to clarify; I want to build in sympathy with the rest of the house. This means no T+G (and no chipboard of course). It means using boards similar to the ones I already have even though better quality ones might be available. Why not tongue and groove? The difference wont show, but if the wood does expand or contract there wont be so many draughts. Or does the secret nailing stop the groove being an expansion joint? Think you'll have problems getting T&G with the same perceived width of board. -- *I was once a millionaire but my mom gave away my baseball cards Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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george (dicegeorge) wrote:
Robert Laws wrote: xxx Just to clarify; I want to build in sympathy with the rest of the house. This means no T+G (and no chipboard of course). It means using boards similar to the ones I already have even though better quality ones might be available. Why not tongue and groove? The difference wont show, but if the wood does expand or contract there wont be so many draughts. Or does the secret nailing stop the groove being an expansion joint? http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...n_a_Wood_Floor And on this subject when improving victorian floors is it a good idea to put kingspan under them to insulate them and should we put a plastic vapour barrier on top of the kingspan or would that trap any spills of water in the house and cause more rot than the condensations it's supposed to stop? [g] Its a good idea to decide what you actually really want, rather than how you are going to achieve it, and then look at all the ways of doing it, and pick the cheapest..my house is pure repro. It looks 600 years old. Its 8 years old. Its got some reclaimed ok, a lot of new, and some reclaimed brick where it shows (internal fireplaces). but the chimnys are pure new brick and block inside, because from a distance, with the right mortars it looks JUST the same as an old one, just a little bit neater, but not much, because the bricklayer who did it was ****ed when he wasn't stoned. So its full of Olde Worlde Character. ;-) |
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