Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door bell
when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime from Lidl but
it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it makes my wireless
internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery and it costs more than I
paid for the door chime.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell transformer,
installed when the house was built so all the wiring is cunningly hidden.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer so
that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in the
kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is pressing the
bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring they think the bell
is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding dong bell at the front
door to ding dong as well. I think that is why the battery on the wireless
one does not last long because it could not be heard at the front door.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than the
cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for nothing before
they find out that their new wireless door bell will cost them more in
batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire from
the bell to the transformer?

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer
Jan

"Janice" wrote in message
...
Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door
bell when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime from
Lidl but it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it makes my
wireless internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery and it costs
more than I paid for the door chime.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell
transformer, installed when the house was built so all the wiring is
cunningly hidden.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer
so that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in the
kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is pressing the
bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring they think the
bell is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding dong bell at the
front door to ding dong as well. I think that is why the battery on the
wireless one does not last long because it could not be heard at the front
door.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than the
cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for nothing
before they find out that their new wireless door bell will cost them more
in batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire
from the bell to the transformer?

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer
Jan


While not the cheapest solution this will suit your requirements use a VE
D471 Evo Wired to Wirefree Chime Extender

and VE D403 Evo 50 Wirefree Door Chime - White from


http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...Evo/index.html

this will give you a portable chime unit that you can put where you like
that will ring at the same time as your existing bell and easily installed!

Peter

"Janice" wrote in message
...
Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door
bell when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime from
Lidl but it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it makes my
wireless internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery and it costs
more than I paid for the door chime.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell
transformer, installed when the house was built so all the wiring is
cunningly hidden.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer
so that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in the
kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is pressing the
bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring they think the
bell is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding dong bell at the
front door to ding dong as well. I think that is why the battery on the
wireless one does not last long because it could not be heard at the front
door.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than the
cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for nothing
before they find out that their new wireless door bell will cost them more
in batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire
from the bell to the transformer?

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

Have you though of simply fitting something louder at the front door? An
alarm bell or sounder will be a lot louder than a conventional door chime,
although it might frighten visitors.

Colin Bignell

In message , nightjar
writes

"Janice" wrote in message
...
Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door
bell when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime from
Lidl but it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it makes my
wireless internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery and it costs
more than I paid for the door chime.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell
transformer, installed when the house was built so all the wiring is
cunningly hidden.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer
so that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in the
kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is pressing the
bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring they think the
bell is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding dong bell at the
front door to ding dong as well. I think that is why the battery on the
wireless one does not last long because it could not be heard at the front
door.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than the
cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for nothing
before they find out that their new wireless door bell will cost them more
in batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire
from the bell to the transformer?

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

Have you though of simply fitting something louder at the front door? An
alarm bell or sounder will be a lot louder than a conventional door chime,
although it might frighten visitors.

Or buy a yappy dog ...

--
geoff

In article ,
"Janice" writes:
Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door bell
when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime from Lidl but
it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it makes my wireless
internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery and it costs more than I
paid for the door chime.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell transformer,
installed when the house was built so all the wiring is cunningly hidden.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer so
that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in the
kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is pressing the
bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring they think the bell
is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding dong bell at the front
door to ding dong as well. I think that is why the battery on the wireless
one does not last long because it could not be heard at the front door.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than the
cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for nothing before
they find out that their new wireless door bell will cost them more in
batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire from
the bell to the transformer?

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

You may well find you can simply wire another 'ding-dong' type
bell in series at the transformer, ideally one which is identical
to the one you already have. You might need to increase the
transformer voltage tap.

Alternatively, you could change the 'ding-dong' for a bell, which
might be more audiable. Bells don't run in series very well though,
so you'd need to be able to hear the bell from the kitchen.

Another possibility -- if the kitchen would be a better place for
the ding-dong, you could move it there, although if the caller
can't hear anything when they push the button, they might well
push it several times and knock.

I've always wondered who would be the first person to do a Part P
building notice application in order to install a door bell ;-)

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
Janice wrote:
Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door
bell when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime
from Lidl but it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it
makes my wireless internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery
and it costs more than I paid for the door chime.

They also tend to be not very loud.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell
transformer, installed when the house was built so all the wiring is
cunningly hidden.

Right.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer
so that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in
the kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is
pressing the bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring
they think the bell is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding
dong bell at the front door to ding dong as well. I think that is why
the battery on the wireless one does not last long because it could not
be heard at the front door.

I'd change the ding dong for an underdome bell. They are the loudest of
these sort of things.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than
the cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for
nothing before they find out that their new wireless door bell will
cost them more in batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire
from the bell to the transformer?

Yes - that will wire them in series. But depending on type one may not
work properly as it depends on how much current each takes. They really
need to be the same.

I have two of these which can be heard throughout the largish house.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/VE792.html

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

Hmm. I wonder if that is meaty enough. Mine is 1 amp.

--
*The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

geoff;2933452 Wrote:
In message , nightjar
writes

"Janice" janicealk.uk wrote in message
...
Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong
door
bell when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime
from
Lidl but it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it makes
my
wireless internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery and it
costs
more than I paid for the door chime.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell
transformer, installed when the house was built so all the wiring is
cunningly hidden.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the
transformer
so that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell
in the
kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is
pressing the
bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring they think
the
bell is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding dong bell
at the
front door to ding dong as well. I think that is why the battery on
the
wireless one does not last long because it could not be heard at the
front
door.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less
than the
cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for nothing
before they find out that their new wireless door bell will cost
them more
in batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect
one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a
wire
from the bell to the transformer?

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

Have you though of simply fitting something louder at the front door?
An
alarm bell or sounder will be a lot louder than a conventional door
chime,
although it might frighten visitors.

Or buy a yappy dog ...

--
geoff
I was thinking the same thing LOL


--
Dymphna
Message origin: www.TRAVEL.com

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Janice wrote:
Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door
bell when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime
from Lidl but it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it
makes my wireless internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery
and it costs more than I paid for the door chime.

They also tend to be not very loud.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell
transformer, installed when the house was built so all the wiring is
cunningly hidden.

Right.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer
so that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in
the kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is
pressing the bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring
they think the bell is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding
dong bell at the front door to ding dong as well. I think that is why
the battery on the wireless one does not last long because it could not
be heard at the front door.

I'd change the ding dong for an underdome bell. They are the loudest of
these sort of things.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than
the cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for
nothing before they find out that their new wireless door bell will
cost them more in batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire
from the bell to the transformer?

Yes - that will wire them in series. But depending on type one may not
work properly as it depends on how much current each takes. They really
need to be the same.

I have two of these which can be heard throughout the largish house.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/VE792.html

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

Hmm. I wonder if that is meaty enough. Mine is 1 amp.


Dingdongs dont always work well in series. Ditto bells. So yes you
could put something in series at the transformer, increase the voltage
tap on the transformer and replace the bellpush lightbulb with a
higher voltage one, but there's no guarantee that the 2 sounders will
behave properly together.

I'd do what Dave suggested and use a mechanical bell instead. Noisy
buggers they can be.

More info:
http://www.wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Doorbell


NT

In article
,
wrote:
Yes - that will wire them in series. But depending on type one may not
work properly as it depends on how much current each takes. They really
need to be the same.

I have two of these which can be heard throughout the largish house.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/VE792.html

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

Hmm. I wonder if that is meaty enough. Mine is 1 amp.


Dingdongs dont always work well in series. Ditto bells.

After some experimenting I found my two identical bells worked best in
series. Of course it might also depend on your transformer.

So yes you could put something in series at the transformer, increase
the voltage tap on the transformer and replace the bellpush lightbulb
with a higher voltage one, but there's no guarantee that the 2 sounders
will behave properly together.

Indeed. You can only experiment. But it sounds like the OP doesn't have
the option to wire them in parallel.

I'd do what Dave suggested and use a mechanical bell instead. Noisy
buggers they can be.

I still needed two here. Tend to have the radio on a lot.

--
*Reality is the illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

nightjar cpb@ wrote:
"Janice" wrote in message
...
Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door
bell when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime from
Lidl but it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it makes my
wireless internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery and it costs
more than I paid for the door chime.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell
transformer, installed when the house was built so all the wiring is
cunningly hidden.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer
so that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in the
kitchen will both ring at the same time? If when someone is pressing the
bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring they think the
bell is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding dong bell at the
front door to ding dong as well. I think that is why the battery on the
wireless one does not last long because it could not be heard at the front
door.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than the
cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for nothing
before they find out that their new wireless door bell will cost them more
in batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire
from the bell to the transformer?

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

Have you though of simply fitting something louder at the front door? An
alarm bell or sounder will be a lot louder than a conventional door chime,
although it might frighten visitors.

Colin Bignell


Regret I do not have time to look myself but I did get an incredibly
noisy telephone sounder from the RNID for my Mum via their website.

http://www.rnid.org.uk/shop/

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
wrote:
Yes - that will wire them in series. But depending on type one may not
work properly as it depends on how much current each takes. They really
need to be the same.

I have two of these which can be heard throughout the largish house.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/VE792.html

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer

Hmm. I wonder if that is meaty enough. Mine is 1 amp.


Dingdongs dont always work well in series. Ditto bells.

After some experimenting I found my two identical bells worked best in
series. Of course it might also depend on your transformer.

some bells are fine in series, some wont work at all.


NT


So yes you could put something in series at the transformer, increase
the voltage tap on the transformer and replace the bellpush lightbulb
with a higher voltage one, but there's no guarantee that the 2 sounders
will behave properly together.

Indeed. You can only experiment. But it sounds like the OP doesn't have
the option to wire them in parallel.

I suppose there's also the option to use a current relay to control
the second bell at the fusebox end. Might add that to the wiki
article.


I'd do what Dave suggested and use a mechanical bell instead. Noisy
buggers they can be.

I still needed two here. Tend to have the radio on a lot.

On Apr 8, 10:10*pm, "Peter Andrews"
wrote:
"Janice" wrote in message

...



Hi I am getting deaf (old age) and can no longer hear my ding dong door
bell when I am in the kitchen. I bought a cheap wireless door chime from
Lidl but it is not much use. When someone comes to the door it makes my
wireless internet drop out, also it now needs a new battery and it costs
more than I paid for the door chime.

In my kitchen cupboard just under the consumer unit is the bell
transformer, installed when the house was built so all the wiring is
cunningly hidden.

So I thought, is it possible to connect a second bell to the transformer
so that the old ding dong bell just inside the door and a new bell in the
kitchen will both ring at the same time? *If when someone is pressing the
bell push at the front door and cannot hear a bell ring they think the
bell is broken and batter on the door so I want the ding dong bell at the
front door to ding dong as well. I think that is why the battery on the
wireless one does not last long because it could not be heard at the front
door.

And I worked out that the transformer's electricity usage is less than the
cost of batteries and I can get a doorbell from a friend for nothing
before they find out that their new wireless door bell will cost them more
in batteries :-)

So if it is possible how would I wire it up? Would I just disconnect one
wire from the transformer and connect it to the bell and connect a wire
from the bell to the transformer?

4 6 8 volts .63amp transformer
Jan

While not the cheapest solution this will suit your requirements use a VE
D471 Evo Wired to Wirefree Chime Extender

and VE D403 Evo 50 Wirefree Door Chime - White from

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...himes_Index/Ve...

this will give you a portable chime unit that you can put where you like
that will ring at the same time as your existing bell and easily installed!

Peter

Does that solve the problem with the batteries and Wifi interference?

In article
,
wrote:
After some experimenting I found my two identical bells worked best in
series. Of course it might also depend on your transformer.

some bells are fine in series, some wont work at all.

I'd *guess* the types that don't work in series are universal types that
can be powered from AC or DC - these use a mechanical switching circuit to
make the hammer vibrate. AC only ones simply follow the waveform. And most
bare bells you'd buy today will be AC only.

--
*If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
wrote:
After some experimenting I found my two identical bells worked best in
series. Of course it might also depend on your transformer.

some bells are fine in series, some wont work at all.

I'd *guess* the types that don't work in series are universal types that
can be powered from AC or DC - these use a mechanical switching circuit to
make the hammer vibrate. AC only ones simply follow the waveform. And most
bare bells you'd buy today will be AC only.

Yeah, the switching types can have problems. If one is much slower
than the other it can fail to hit the bell before the quicker one has
cut the current. And mixing switching and unswitching types can be
fun.


NT