Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?


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geoff

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:46:37 +0000, geoff wrote:

Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?

Doesn't affect me but I do remember reading about this in the Times :-

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle5581353.ece

HTH.
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Regards,

Hugh Jampton

In message , Hugh Jampton
writes
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:46:37 +0000, geoff wrote:

Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?

Doesn't affect me but I do remember reading about this in the Times :-

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....ainment/music/
article5581353.ece

I like

€œOver 90% of our members earn less than £5,000 per annum ...,€� it said.

Yeah - possibly because their music is ****e

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geoff

geoff wrote:


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?


Hop on over to uk.legal.moderated and check out this thread:

Kwik-Fit and PRS case (Performing Rights Society)

.... and maybe others.

(Not an answer to your question, but hopefully relevant.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On 25 Feb, 20:38, Rod wrote:
geoff wrote:

Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?

Hop on over to uk.legal.moderated and check out this thread:

Kwik-Fit and PRS case (Performing Rights Society)

... and maybe others.

(Not an answer to your question, but hopefully relevant.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

My brother is a one man cabinet maker and he is always moaning about
them pestering him.

Rob

On 25 Feb, 21:12, Rob G wrote:
On 25 Feb, 20:38, Rod wrote:



geoff wrote:

Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?

Hop on over to uk.legal.moderated and check out this thread:

Kwik-Fit and PRS case (Performing Rights Society)

... and maybe others.

(Not an answer to your question, but hopefully relevant.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

My brother is a one man cabinet maker and he is always moaning about
them pestering him.

He could branch out in to two man cabinets, I believe life's much
quieter.

"geoff" wrote in message
...


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?

No. They send me just one reminder each year and I pay the licence fee.
Under The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, there are very few
businesses that are not liable to obtain a licence. Essentially they are
one-man businesses not open to the public and those that use no copyright
music at all in any form, including playing a radio in the workplace and
music on hold telephones..

Colin Bignell.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:33:43 -0000, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname
here.me.uk wrote:

Under The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, there are very few
businesses that are not liable to obtain a licence. Essentially they are
one-man businesses not open to the public and those that use no copyright
music at all in any form, including playing a radio in the workplace and
music on hold telephones..

There are many copyright free "music on hold" discs available for
purchase for telephone use and many similar audible wallpaper discs.

In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:33:43 -0000, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname
here.me.uk wrote:

Under The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, there are very few
businesses that are not liable to obtain a licence. Essentially they are
one-man businesses not open to the public and those that use no copyright
music at all in any form, including playing a radio in the workplace and
music on hold telephones..

I did some reseach recently on music on hold for phone systems - just
after Tony Hart died I got a few requests for left bank two (I make phone
systems)... { See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7837849.stm }

You need to buy the music (one off fee - eg. buy it on CD, mp3 format,
etc.)

Then you need an MCPS license - Mechanical Copyright Protection
Society. This is a one-off for each *device* you install it on and is
£35 per 30 seconds of music.

Finally you needs the PRS license and that's variable depending on the
numbe of lines you have. (Number of external lines, not internal as you
don't put your own staff on hold, I guess!)

It's not hard to do, but I gave up in the end.

There are many copyright free "music on hold" discs available for
purchase for telephone use and many similar audible wallpaper discs.

Make sure it's royalty free too. If a band records out of copyright
music the publisher may still have the ability to collect royalties on it.

Personally, I'd not think too bad of it all if I thought the money raised
actually went back to the artists...

Gordon

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:25:38 +0000 (UTC), Gordon Henderson
wrote:

In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:

I did some reseach recently on music on hold for phone systems - just
after Tony Hart died I got a few requests for left bank two (I make phone
systems)... { See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7837849.stm }

You need to buy the music (one off fee - eg. buy it on CD, mp3 format,
etc.)

Both charges you mention and the licence apply only to
performances/music covered by copyright. There are many disks of
classical music available which are copyright free.

Personally, I'd not think too bad of it all if I thought the money raised
actually went back to the artists...

Someone has to pay for the MCPS Directors Bentley :-)

You will be pleased to know that the PRS for Music (MCPS) has kindly
decided not to make a charge for functions of a purely domestic or
family nature, such as wedding receptions, christening parties or
domestic birthday parties.

If there was an award for pompous gittery they would be well placed to
win.

In article , geoff
scribeth thus


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?



Yes they seem to be on a mission!..

We told 'em to sod off as we don't have the public in here anyway!..
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , geoff
scribeth thus


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?



Yes they seem to be on a mission!..

We told 'em to sod off as we don't have the public in here anyway!..

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.

OG coughed up some electrons that declared:


"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , geoff
scribeth thus


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?



Yes they seem to be on a mission!..

We told 'em to sod off as we don't have the public in here anyway!..

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.

According to the PRS.

I fail to see how a few people listening to a common radio constitutes
a "performance", especially given the radio station has already paid to
broadcast the music.

Could do with a few more people telling them to sod off - it is a completely
ridiculous notion.

"Tim S" wrote in message
...
....
I fail to see how a few people listening to a common radio constitutes
a "performance", especially given the radio station has already paid to
broadcast the music....

Irrespective of what you may think, that is what the law says.

Colin Bignell

In article ,
nightjar cpb@insert my surname here.me.uk wrote:

"Tim S" wrote in message
...
...
I fail to see how a few people listening to a common radio constitutes
a "performance", especially given the radio station has already paid to
broadcast the music....

Irrespective of what you may think, that is what the law says.

Indeed. Presumably these firms are using radio to give them a benefit of
some sort - so why should they get it for free?

--
*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

nightjar coughed up some electrons that declared:


"Tim S" wrote in message
...
...
I fail to see how a few people listening to a common radio constitutes
a "performance", especially given the radio station has already paid to
broadcast the music....

Irrespective of what you may think, that is what the law says.

Colin Bignell

Given we never heard of this nonsense 10 years back AFAIK, does that mean
the law changed, or has there merely been an "interpretation" made
recently?

Cheers

Tim

In message , Tim S
writes
OG coughed up some electrons that declared:


"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , geoff
scribeth thus


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?



Yes they seem to be on a mission!..

We told 'em to sod off as we don't have the public in here anyway!..

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.

According to the PRS.

I fail to see how a few people listening to a common radio constitutes
a "performance", especially given the radio station has already paid to
broadcast the music.

Could do with a few more people telling them to sod off - it is a completely
ridiculous notion.

you should know me better than that by now

"sod" was not the word I used




--
geoff

In article , OG
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , geoff
scribeth thus


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?



Yes they seem to be on a mission!..

We told 'em to sod off as we don't have the public in here anyway!..

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.


We as in us me, I, myself, and I ..

Well if HM can use it so can I .. the missus sometimes has been known to
bring some tea in;!....
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , OG
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , geoff
scribeth thus


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?



Yes they seem to be on a mission!..

We told 'em to sod off as we don't have the public in here anyway!..

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.


We as in us me, I, myself, and I ..

Well if HM can use it so can I .. the missus sometimes has been known to
bring some tea in;!....
--
Tony Sayer


I mend hifi and such for a living, so have to play 'real' music as well as
test discs and signal generator outputs etc. Setting aside the fact that I
am a one man band, I wonder if that is theoretically covered by this PRS
stuff ? What about in workshops that have many engineers working in them ?

Arfa

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , OG
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , geoff
scribeth thus


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months
by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?



Yes they seem to be on a mission!..

We told 'em to sod off as we don't have the public in here anyway!..

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.


We as in us me, I, myself, and I ..

Well if HM can use it so can I .. the missus sometimes has been known to
bring some tea in;!....
--
Tony Sayer


I mend hifi and such for a living, so have to play 'real' music as well as
test discs and signal generator outputs etc. Setting aside the fact that I
am a one man band, I wonder if that is theoretically covered by this PRS
stuff ?

Garages are required to have a licence if they listen to a customer's radio
to do any work on it for them, so almost certainly, yes.

What about in workshops that have many engineers working in them ?

The company would be required to declare how many engineers and for how
long, on average, they would be listening to the music each day. The
alternative, mentioned elsewhere, would be to buy royalty-free music for the
purpose.

Colin Bignell

On Feb 25, 10:49*pm, "OG" wrote:

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.

So what happens if two people are listening to two radios - either
tuned to the same or different stations?

And why don't the PRS go after those buggers on the train who play
their Walkmans/iPods loud enough for other people to hear?

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:28:48 -0800 (PST), mike wrote:

On Feb 25, 10:49*pm, "OG" wrote:

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.

So what happens if two people are listening to two radios - either
tuned to the same or different stations?

And why don't the PRS go after those buggers on the train who play
their Walkmans/iPods loud enough for other people to hear?

It just shows what a load of cobblers it is - if half a dozen people can
hear a radio in a garage, they must pay for a license, but if the same half
a dozen people are all listening to the same broadcast on separate radios
with earphones that's okay ... for god sake it's a radio broadcast that
anyone can freely listen to, does it really matter who's radio they listen
on?

SteveW

Steve Walker wrote:

for god sake it's a radio broadcast that
anyone can freely listen to, does it really matter who's radio they listen
on?


But it *isn't* a radio broadcast that anyone can freely listen to !!

That's the whole point.

mike wrote:
On Feb 25, 10:49 pm, "OG" wrote:

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS licence.

So what happens if two people are listening to two radios - either
tuned to the same or different stations?

Can you see there's a difference between each person having their own
radio on loud enough for them to hear (personal listening) and a single
radio stuck on a shelf with the volume turned up so that everyone in the
room can hear (performance)?


And why don't the PRS go after those buggers on the train who play
their Walkmans/iPods loud enough for other people to hear?


Give them a chance! They've only just started on garages and workshops
that make your life a misery with having the radio on too loud.
:-)

In message , Whoisit
writes
mike wrote:
On Feb 25, 10:49 pm, "OG" wrote:

'We' means that there's more than one of you, so you need a PRS
licence.
So what happens if two people are listening to two radios - either
tuned to the same or different stations?

Can you see there's a difference between each person having their own
radio on loud enough for them to hear (personal listening) and a single
radio stuck on a shelf with the volume turned up so that everyone in
the room can hear (performance)?

I think "is listening to" rather than "can hear"

otherwise you might have to pay as you pass someone using a pneumatic
drill to dig up the road

he might be a closet artist

I think that Bruce has gone past the point where one might call him a
retard. He's the dennis of the airwaves

A performance is, by my definition, when musicians are actually playing

this is different to a recording which is a reproduction of that
performance

Personally, I can't stand the banal crap pushed out by music stations.


As an aside ...

a couple of Years ago I was in a pub where there was music being played.
They started playing a tune that I wrote - which I have to say surprised
me, so I asked them about it "Oh it's a tune by geoff [me]" "Yeah, I
know, that's me"

My thoughts were not "gimme some money", more a sense of pride that
someone wanted to play it. Its also been played on national TV. Have I
made a penny out of it ? No, do I care? No

Arseholes with Bruce's mentality really get on my tits - most of the
"music" that he is defending is unadulterated crap for the mindless
masses who are hypnotised by the skill of the scriptwriters of
Neighbours and other wallpaper fodder which had dumbed down the nation,
turned us into a race of vegetables

Now I'm an avid watcher of QI - which I consider to be in the premier
league of quiz show entertainment, but the dumbing down effect was
really brought home to me last week when the one from Armstrong and
Miller with a physics degree started explaining about CERN and the
search for the Higgs boson. I would have thought that it was an
interesting topic explained in a simple format - no, boring, boring too
much information was the response

Coming back to the PRS and music, such a fundament5al change is needed
that maybe everyone should have a go at their MP and see if we can't get
a sensible, workable format hammered out

What we have now obviously is unworkable

The Music industry, having ripped people off for so long has created a
them and us situation whereby most people no longer feel any guilt in
downloading music as they feel ripped off by the fat cats

Those "musicians" who earn less than £5000/pa should possibly look for
another career rather than bleating about not making money because
nobody wants the crap they produce


--
geoff

geoff wrote:
Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months
by the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?


Just out of curiosity, would the PRS be entitled to copyright fees from the
hairy arsed, sole trader builder/plasterer/carpenter/bricklayer/handyman et
al who whilst working on your property in a row of terraced houses next to a
busy public highway, has his portable DeWalt (or any other for that matter)
radio blasting out Radio One rubbish so that all and sundry can hear it for
miles around?

You now the type, turns the radio up to full volume and then wears ear
protectors - just in case that spent matchstick he/she has used to light her
fag and thrown on the floor, makes a noise!


Big Grin

Big Grin wrote:

geoff wrote:
Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past
months by the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?


Just out of curiosity, would the PRS be entitled to copyright fees
from the hairy arsed, sole trader
builder/plasterer/carpenter/bricklayer/handyman et al who whilst
working on your property in a row of terraced houses next to a busy
public highway, has his portable DeWalt (or any other for that
matter) radio blasting out Radio One rubbish so that all and sundry
can hear it for miles around?

You now the type, turns the radio up to full volume and then wears
ear protectors - just in case that spent matchstick he/she has used
to light her fag and thrown on the floor, makes a noise!


Big Grin

according the kwik fit case - yes.

Big Grin wrote:
geoff wrote:
Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months
by the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?


Just out of curiosity, would the PRS be entitled to copyright fees
from the hairy arsed, sole trader

My arse isn't hairy but...

builder/plasterer/carpenter/bricklayer/handyman et

Could be me...

al who whilst
working on your property in a row of terraced houses next to a busy
public highway, has his portable DeWalt (or any other for that
matter) radio blasting out Radio One rubbish so that all and sundry
can hear it for miles around?

How about a Sony DAB tuned to Radio 4?


You now the type, turns the radio up to full volume and then wears ear
protectors - just in case that spent matchstick he/she has used to
light her fag and thrown on the floor, makes a noise!

I use the matchsticks for plugging old screw holes :-)


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In message , The Medway
Handyman writes
How about a Sony DAB tuned to Radio 4?
Hmm, Friday/Sunday mornings could be a problem but other than that...


--
Clint Sharp

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Big Grin wrote:
geoff wrote:
Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past
months by the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?


Just out of curiosity, would the PRS be entitled to copyright fees
from the hairy arsed, sole trader

Just unblocked you temporarily TMH from the killfile.

My arse isn't hairy but...

Not actually referring to you - but as your ego is so great well...

builder/plasterer/carpenter/bricklayer/handyman et

Could be me...


Up untilI saw Clint Sharp's reply, I had actually forgotten all about you -
but if the boot fits... If the boot doesn't, then he overblown ego still
does!

al who whilst
working on your property in a row of terraced houses next to a busy
public highway, has his portable DeWalt (or any other for that
matter) radio blasting out Radio One rubbish so that all and sundry
can hear it for miles around?

How about a Sony DAB tuned to Radio 4?

So why would the PRS think that Radio Four is any different to Radio one
when you play it publicly?

You now the type, turns the radio up to full volume and then wears
ear protectors - just in case that spent matchstick he/she has used
to light her fag and thrown on the floor, makes a noise!

I use the matchsticks for plugging old screw holes :-)

Whatever turns you on - now you are aware that the end-grain of any wood is
not good for fixing into and there are better methods?

Obviously not - or you have yet to find them in the likes of B & Q!


THM is now returned to the killfile to be forgotten yet again!


Big Grin

In article ,
Big Grin wrote:
THM is now returned to the killfile to be forgotten yet again!

What makes you think who you decide to killfile is of interest to anyone
else?

--
*Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Big Grin wrote:
THM is now returned to the killfile to be forgotten yet again!

What makes you think who you decide to killfile is of interest to
anyone else?

If it's of no interest to you, then why respond?


Big Grin

"Big Grin" wrote in message
...
The Medway Handyman wrote:

How about a Sony DAB tuned to Radio 4?

So why would the PRS think that Radio Four is any different to Radio one
when you play it publicly?


Look up what the PRS are there for, and then consider against most of the
output of Radio 4.

OG wrote:
"Big Grin" wrote in message
...
The Medway Handyman wrote:

How about a Sony DAB tuned to Radio 4?

So why would the PRS think that Radio Four is any different to Radio
one when you play it publicly?


Look up what the PRS are there for, and then consider against most of
the output of Radio 4.

OG,

Funnily enough I believe that even Radio Four has some music on it - or it
did the last time that I listened to it!

Oh! And I believe that they do the odd drama or two on there, which may
involve actors getting some cash out out of the BBC as well - and chased up
by the PRS.

But if that is incorrect, I stand to be corrected - especially as my OP was
actually a question by the way. But as usual, someone thought it was
something else directed at him.


Big Grin

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Big Grin"
saying something like:

THM is now returned to the killfile to be forgotten yet again!


Big Grin

It's that tanner up ****.

"geoff" wrote in message
...


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?


--
geoff

I know of several businesses locally. Friend's garage got done, because they
were listening to the radio on a car that was in for a service, with the
doors open ...

Boss has now banned any car from having the radio on during the garage's
normal opening hours.

Arfa

On 25 Feb, 20:46, geoff wrote:
Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?

--
geoff

Not a business myself, but I noticed yesterday that my barber now has
a bright yellow PRS licence over his radio, so they're obviously
"doing" round here. I was going to remark on it to him, but the
conversation went on to other things.

Chris

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:30:30 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Not a business myself, but I noticed yesterday that my barber now has
a bright yellow PRS licence over his radio, so they're obviously
"doing" round here. I was going to remark on it to him, but the
conversation went on to other things.

Holidays?
Something for the weekend?

--
Frank Erskine

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:46:37 +0000 someone who may be geoff
wrote this:-

Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?

Used to get junk mail from these people. Recycled it.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

In article , geoff
scribeth thus


Have any other businesses on here been bombarded over the past months by
the PRS to get them to fork out for a licence ?



And after all that argument here's an excellent download site all the
classics you could ever want at very reasonable prices and much better
to hear the original .. not someone's dodgy rip)...


http://www.theclassicalshop.net/mp3Index.asp
--
Tony Sayer