Not quite (might have been better if it had), but what happened at 1am-ish
this morning happened when it did because the temperature dropped.

Was woken by SWMBO to the news that water was pouring through the ceiling
into the kitchen. Our flat is the ground floor of a converted large
turn-of-century house and, we soon found out, our upstairs neighbours are
away for the weekend (and therefore still don't know about this).

To cut a long - and, at the time, quite fraught - story short, we tracked
down a friend of theirs who rushed over with a key, arriving just as I was
bringing in the ladder in order to poke a hole in the ceiling (which never
got done).

Upstairs, where we were expecting a scene of devastation ... nothing,
complete tranquility. Nothing in adjacent rooms either.

Then, as we were about to return downstairs, I noticed, at the bottom of
the wall in their kitchen (where some re-finishing work is being done, an
unterminated radiator feed, where the rad had been removed in order for
work to be carried out on the wall.

A steady, undramatic-here-at-the-point-of-origin, stream of water was
quietly pouring forth. It was a TRV (presumably on a frost setting) that
had opened in response to the temperature drop.

The dehumidifier is now purring away in our kitchen. I suppose I'm going to
have to lift the TileLOC flooring, but I'm trying not to think about that.

Appelation Controlee wrote:
Not quite (might have been better if it had), but what happened at 1am-ish
this morning happened when it did because the temperature dropped.

Was woken by SWMBO to the news that water was pouring through the ceiling
into the kitchen. Our flat is the ground floor of a converted large
turn-of-century house and, we soon found out, our upstairs neighbours are
away for the weekend (and therefore still don't know about this).

To cut a long - and, at the time, quite fraught - story short, we tracked
down a friend of theirs who rushed over with a key, arriving just as I was
bringing in the ladder in order to poke a hole in the ceiling (which never
got done).

Upstairs, where we were expecting a scene of devastation ... nothing,
complete tranquility. Nothing in adjacent rooms either.

Then, as we were about to return downstairs, I noticed, at the bottom of
the wall in their kitchen (where some re-finishing work is being done, an
unterminated radiator feed, where the rad had been removed in order for
work to be carried out on the wall.

A steady, undramatic-here-at-the-point-of-origin, stream of water was
quietly pouring forth. It was a TRV (presumably on a frost setting) that
had opened in response to the temperature drop.


Ah...

there's a case against their plumbers..


The dehumidifier is now purring away in our kitchen. I suppose I'm going to
have to lift the TileLOC flooring, but I'm trying not to think about that.

This is insurance stuff.

Take photos immediately of that TRV, write down what you did, and get
friend to also write it down, so that you have all ducks in row.

Contact insurance company.

They should recover all costs from neighbours insurance or the plumbers
who did it..they have liability insurance (I hope)

Same thing happened here just before I demolished old house. Let the
boiler run out of oil, and a pipe froze upstairs in the loft...

No big deal since we were trashing the house anyway ;-)

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Appelation Controlee wrote:
Not quite (might have been better if it had), but what happened at
1am-ish
this morning happened when it did because the temperature dropped.

Was woken by SWMBO to the news that water was pouring through the ceiling
into the kitchen. Our flat is the ground floor of a converted large
turn-of-century house and, we soon found out, our upstairs neighbours are
away for the weekend (and therefore still don't know about this).

To cut a long - and, at the time, quite fraught - story short, we tracked
down a friend of theirs who rushed over with a key, arriving just as I
was
bringing in the ladder in order to poke a hole in the ceiling (which
never
got done).

Upstairs, where we were expecting a scene of devastation ... nothing,
complete tranquility. Nothing in adjacent rooms either.

Then, as we were about to return downstairs, I noticed, at the bottom of
the wall in their kitchen (where some re-finishing work is being done, an
unterminated radiator feed, where the rad had been removed in order for
work to be carried out on the wall.

A steady, undramatic-here-at-the-point-of-origin, stream of water was
quietly pouring forth. It was a TRV (presumably on a frost setting) that
had opened in response to the temperature drop.


Ah...

there's a case against their plumbers..


The dehumidifier is now purring away in our kitchen. I suppose I'm going
to
have to lift the TileLOC flooring, but I'm trying not to think about
that.

This is insurance stuff.

Take photos immediately of that TRV, write down what you did, and get
friend to also write it down, so that you have all ducks in row.

Contact insurance company.

They should recover all costs from neighbours insurance or the plumbers
who did it..they have liability insurance (I hope)

Nothing suggests that plumbers have to be to blame. Decorators, builders or
the flat owners may have taken the radiator off. You are still correct about
photos and insurance though. I would expect the house contents insurance of
the owners to cover the damage below if they have removed the radiator
themselves.

Adam

Appelation Controlee wrote:

Why do OP's from this gentleman never appear in OE6 ?

I can't find the name in my blocked senders list.



--
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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
. ..
Appelation Controlee wrote:

Why do OP's from this gentleman never appear in OE6 ?

I can't find the name in my blocked senders list.


I use OE6. He shows up fine on my reader.

Adam

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:53:54 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Appelation Controlee wrote:

Why do OP's from this gentleman never appear in OE6 ?

I can't find the name in my blocked senders list.

I can't think of a single reason why not. I play nice on usenet, don't have
sex with my dog [1] or anything reproachable.

[1] I don't have a dog but, if I did, I wouldn't.

Appelation Controlee wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:53:54 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Appelation Controlee wrote:

Why do OP's from this gentleman never appear in OE6 ?

I can't find the name in my blocked senders list.

Aha! Couldn't find Appelation Controlee but I did find me@etc. Don't know
how that got there, my allopogies.

I can't think of a single reason why not. I play nice on usenet,
don't have sex with my dog [1] or anything reproachable.

[1] I don't have a dog but, if I did, I wouldn't.

How about if it was a pretty dog?



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:32:47 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Appelation Controlee wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:53:54 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Appelation Controlee wrote:

Why do OP's from this gentleman never appear in OE6 ?

I can't find the name in my blocked senders list.

Aha! Couldn't find Appelation Controlee but I did find me@etc. Don't know
how that got there, my allopogies.

Your allopogies are quite unnecessary. :-)
is a straight-to-bin address that's allowed by
news.individual net, as long as you post with a genuine Reply To address
(which I do, although I don't often think to read anything there}.

I can't think of a single reason why not. I play nice on usenet,
don't have sex with my dog [1] or anything reproachable.

[1] I don't have a dog but, if I did, I wouldn't.

How about if it was a pretty dog?

It would need to be a border collie, otherwise what would we talk about
afterwards?

In article ,
Appelation Controlee wrote:
I can't think of a single reason why not. I play nice on usenet, don't
have sex with my dog [1] or anything reproachable.

[1] I don't have a dog but, if I did, I wouldn't.

Never did John Noakes any harm.

--
*Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
m...
Appelation Controlee wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:53:54 GMT, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Appelation Controlee wrote:

Why do OP's from this gentleman never appear in OE6 ?

I can't find the name in my blocked senders list.

Aha! Couldn't find Appelation Controlee but I did find me@etc. Don't
know how that got there, my allopogies.


Unfortunately lots and lots of idiots and trolls use , hence
many of us have that blocked. I'd suggest that the OP (or should that be
AoC? ) change it slightly, to or whatever.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:31:23 GMT, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
. ..
Appelation Controlee wrote:
Not quite (might have been better if it had), but what happened at
1am-ish
this morning happened when it did because the temperature dropped.

Was woken by SWMBO to the news that water was pouring through the ceiling
into the kitchen. Our flat is the ground floor of a converted large
turn-of-century house and, we soon found out, our upstairs neighbours are
away for the weekend (and therefore still don't know about this).

To cut a long - and, at the time, quite fraught - story short, we tracked
down a friend of theirs who rushed over with a key, arriving just as I
was
bringing in the ladder in order to poke a hole in the ceiling (which
never
got done).

Upstairs, where we were expecting a scene of devastation ... nothing,
complete tranquility. Nothing in adjacent rooms either.

Then, as we were about to return downstairs, I noticed, at the bottom of
the wall in their kitchen (where some re-finishing work is being done, an
unterminated radiator feed, where the rad had been removed in order for
work to be carried out on the wall.

A steady, undramatic-here-at-the-point-of-origin, stream of water was
quietly pouring forth. It was a TRV (presumably on a frost setting) that
had opened in response to the temperature drop.


Ah...

there's a case against their plumbers..


The dehumidifier is now purring away in our kitchen. I suppose I'm going
to
have to lift the TileLOC flooring, but I'm trying not to think about
that.

This is insurance stuff.

Take photos immediately of that TRV, write down what you did, and get
friend to also write it down, so that you have all ducks in row.

Contact insurance company.

They should recover all costs from neighbours insurance or the plumbers
who did it..they have liability insurance (I hope)

Nothing suggests that plumbers have to be to blame. Decorators, builders or
the flat owners may have taken the radiator off. You are still correct about
photos and insurance though. I would expect the house contents insurance of
the owners to cover the damage below if they have removed the radiator
themselves.

Adam


Would it be Contents ? Not Buildings perhaps ??

OG wrote:

Unfortunately lots and lots of idiots and trolls use , hence
many of us have that blocked. I'd suggest that the OP (or should that be
AoC? ) change it slightly, to or whatever.

Not recommended. When the provacy.net address gets harvested for spam,
every single mail server that sees every one of those spam mails will
try to look up that domain. Since its normal DNS server won't know about
it (it doesn't exist) it will ask the next one up the chain. This
continues until the request reaches the root DNS servers, of which there
aren't all that many (because requests are supposed to be handled by
something lower down the chain before them). A few hundred thousand
people generating such requests and the load becomes noticeable.

The official technical solution is to use a domain that ends with
..invalid . All well-written DNS software is supposed to recognise a
request for such a domain and return "no such address" straight away,
without checking with all its mates first.

Using a domain you own, perhaps an address that dumps everything it
receives, should also be acceptable.

The other issue is what happens when someone eventually buys the made-up
address that you used.

Pete

In article ,
Pete Verdon d wrote:
Using a domain you own, perhaps an address that dumps everything it
receives, should also be acceptable.

That's what I've done. I've never visited it to see what's there. Probably
a warehouse full of spam somewhere.

The other issue is what happens when someone eventually buys the made-up
address that you used.

That's assuming you've actually checked it doesn't already exist.

--
*To steal ideas from *one* person is plagiarism; from many, research*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Pete Verdon" d wrote in
message ...
OG wrote:

Unfortunately lots and lots of idiots and trolls use ,
hence many of us have that blocked. I'd suggest that the OP (or should
that be AoC? ) change it slightly, to or whatever.

Not recommended. When the provacy.net address gets harvested for spam,

Ooops, what I meant to say was 'use something like '

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:45:13 -0000, OG wrote:

"Pete Verdon" d wrote in
message ...
OG wrote:

Unfortunately lots and lots of idiots and trolls use ,
hence many of us have that blocked. I'd suggest that the OP (or should
that be AoC? ) change it slightly, to or whatever.

Not recommended. When the provacy.net address gets harvested for spam,

Ooops, what I meant to say was 'use something like '

exists as a spam trap (as do, IIRC, me01-through-me09, or
something like that), and all mail directed there is dumped.
will result in messages needing to be handled by
the privacy.net mail system, possibly resulting in NDRs being generated.

Pete Verdon wrote:
OG wrote:

Unfortunately lots and lots of idiots and trolls use ,
hence many of us have that blocked. I'd suggest that the OP (or should
that be AoC? ) change it slightly, to or whatever.

Not recommended. When the provacy.net address gets harvested for spam,
every single mail server that sees every one of those spam mails will
try to look up that domain. Since its normal DNS server won't know about
it (it doesn't exist) it will ask the next one up the chain. This
continues until the request reaches the root DNS servers, of which there
aren't all that many (because requests are supposed to be handled by
something lower down the chain before them). A few hundred thousand
people generating such requests and the load becomes noticeable.

Thats not the way DNS works. Servers down the chain will already 'know'
since they have the master domains cached, that the domain doesn't exists.

Oh, and DNS servers are amongst the least loaded as far as traffic goes.
I've run many, and some quite 'central' ones too.

You could probably run most of this country on a 386 PC.


Now don't talk about NEWS servers..

Its probably true to say that the biggest clusters of machines today can
barely keep up with the total usenet traffic volumes, especially the
binary stuff.

Last time I ran one the text stuff *alone* was a 250kbps 24x7 feed.

The official technical solution is to use a domain that ends with
.invalid . All well-written DNS software is supposed to recognise a
request for such a domain and return "no such address" straight away,
without checking with all its mates first.

Using a domain you own, perhaps an address that dumps everything it
receives, should also be acceptable.

The other issue is what happens when someone eventually buys the made-up
address that you used.


Thats why I use what I use. Its an invalid and never for sale top level
domain.


Pete

In article , OG

Unfortunately lots and lots of idiots and trolls use , hence
many of us have that blocked. I'd suggest that the OP (or should that be
AoC? ) change it slightly, to or whatever.

is designed specifically to avoid genuine domain holders from
being swamped with spam. Using it is a perfectly reasonable and sensible
thing to do. Your suggestion is not. Whoever owns provay dot net will NOT be
impressed.

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http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Appelation Controlee wrote:
I can't think of a single reason why not. I play nice on usenet, don't
have sex with my dog [1] or anything reproachable.

[1] I don't have a dog but, if I did, I wouldn't.

Never did John Noakes any harm.

Get down Shep!! Oooh Err Missus

John