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I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering
about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. |
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Distorted Vision wrote:
I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. Ashley & Crabtree are the best imho. MK trail well behind. The cheap makes I dont really know. NT |
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Distorted Vision coughed up some electrons that declared:
I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. GET seems good - I've tried their Ultimate plastic sockets and the terminals are decent, and the styling more sleek than MK Logic Plus. Cheers Tim |
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Many thanks. I didn't realise that Crabtree was better than MK. I've
always thought they were the best. Tim, can you please tell me where I can buy GET? |
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, Distorted Vision wrote: I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. In general anything bought from a reputable source will be ok in normal use. So it really comes down to taste. I'm quite partial to these:- http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...dex/index.html -- *Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:40:37 -0800 (PST), Distorted Vision wrote:
I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. I've got Volex (9000 range) pretty well throughout the house - free samples and all have been fine for fifteen years now. SteveW |
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Distorted Vision coughed up some electrons that declared:
Many thanks. I didn't realise that Crabtree was better than MK. I've always thought they were the best. Tim, can you please tell me where I can buy GET? TLC, if you have a branch. or http://www.rbstaronline.co.uk/acatal...c_Sockets.html Cheers Tim |
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Dave Plowman (News) coughed up some electrons that declared:
In general anything bought from a reputable source will be ok in normal use. So it really comes down to taste. I'm quite partial to these:- Although stay away from B&Q generic plates. I tried one and the terminals were utter rubbish - stick 3 wires in and half the time one would fall out after tightening. Unless Dave meant to cover this when he said "reputable source" :- |
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PeterC wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:00:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: Distorted Vision wrote: I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. Ashley & Crabtree are the best imho. MK trail well behind. The cheap makes I dont really know. NT Out of interest, why does MK trail - it always seems to be pushed as Good Quality? I've just used a Crabtree pull-switch and it's well made. Ashley & Crabtree I've always found reliable, well thought out, very robust, and with good attention to detail. FWIW Ashley also innovated a much better live pin contact protection system than MK's, but MK's sleeved pin approach won the day. MK I've had an acceptable but significant failure rate with, and they've realeased various ideas without sufficient testing that have proven to be problems. 2 examples are - sleeved pin plugs, which when we first had them consistently overheated and melted on sustained 13A loads. - press-in cordgrips, which failed to do one of the basic jobs of a cordgrip, to prevent cable terminations moving about, resulting in an increase in connection problems, which are of course a fire risk. MK were the first large company to produce safety sockets (multi- kontakt), but that was a long time ago, and their designs have caused more issues than I would like. The leccies at work liked Wylex but not Volex, but that was 20 years ago so might be different now. Wylex are famous for their old fuseboxes, which were backward on safety levels in the 80s. Volex I have too little experience with to say anything useful. At the scary end of the scale, anyone remember clix plugs, or even worse those insulation piercing plugs? NT |
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Andrew Gabriel coughed up some electrons that declared:
and had GET simply wear out and fall apart rather quickly. Hi Andrew - I'd be interested in some info on this. Was your observation based on the odd one or a lot? Just before I go and place a large order at TLC you see... Cheers Tim |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Distorted Vision saying something like: Many thanks for your help. I've been using Click sockets and switches, which are in imo every bit as good as MK and half the price. http://www.alertelectrical.com/Wirin...g-Accessories/ My local wholesaler has been pushing the Curva range to good effect. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote: I've always found MK to be the best (never had burnout with high current loads, and their parts are exceptionally well designed for ease of fitting, for which they've constantly lead in the industry). If only they weren't so ugly. ;-) Their grid switch range looks like Lucas circa '70 found on Marinas... -- *The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message ... We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Distorted Vision saying something like: Many thanks for your help. I've been using Click sockets and switches, which are in imo every bit as good as MK and half the price. http://www.alertelectrical.com/Wirin...g-Accessories/ My local wholesaler has been pushing the Curva range to good effect. All products tend to change as manufacturing innovations influence the design (DFM / DFA - Design for Manufacture / Assembly). Also buyers might go to alternative sources of manufacture or change materials. Surely a factor to consider is whether matching items will be around when you do some changes and if the range offers all the fitments you need (What - no Intermediate Switch) |
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Tim S writes: Andrew Gabriel coughed up some electrons that declared: and had GET simply wear out and fall apart rather quickly. Hi Andrew - I'd be interested in some info on this. Was your observation based on the odd one or a lot? Just before I go and place a large order at TLC you see... Based on high failure rate in a small sample (I've used very little of their stuff). Their gridswitch equivalent fits 3 switches into a 1 gang plate, so I use them when I want to do that. The switches fall to bits after a few years (and I'm only using them to switch 12V 1mA input to a home automation system, so that's a mechanical failure, not electrical). I've also replaced a socket in someone else's house where the switch had fallen to bits (in a different way). So the sample is probably too small to be significant, but at least concerning. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Distorted Vision wrote:
I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. About half the Volex plug sockets in my house have faulty switches - stuck in the on or off position. And the other half feel as if they're going that way. Almost certainly less than 10 years old. Rob |
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"Rob" wrote in message om... Distorted Vision wrote: I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. About half the Volex plug sockets in my house have faulty switches - stuck in the on or off position. And the other half feel as if they're going that way. Almost certainly less than 10 years old. Rob Perhaps the standard of sockets is being reduced to make us feel more inclined to go with the European standards! |
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Mike wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:02:28 -0800 (PST), wrote: Ashley & Crabtree I've always found reliable, well thought out, very robust, and with good attention to detail. FWIW Ashley also innovated a much better live pin contact protection system than MK's, but MK's sleeved pin approach won the day. How did they come up with a better "live pin contact protection system" than sleeved pins? The Ashley system was to use an embedded switch operated by the plug pins. The socket only switched on when the plug was fully home, if it came out a couple of mm it switched off. It protected against plug pin touch, and also against overheating or arcing due to plugs coming part way out. And it didnt affect the plug ampacity. MK I've had an acceptable but significant failure rate with, and they've realeased various ideas without sufficient testing that have proven to be problems. 2 examples are - sleeved pin plugs, which when we first had them consistently overheated and melted on sustained 13A loads. - press-in cordgrips, which failed to do one of the basic jobs of a cordgrip, to prevent cable terminations moving about, resulting in an increase in connection problems, which are of course a fire risk. I've never ever had a problem with the press in cordgrip, nor with overheating using MK plugs in use across many hundreds of appliances in industrial applications. Most were low wattage appliances but there were many 2 or 3kW electric heaters and very large office fans - I wonder why - we did, repeatedly. NT |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote: Had several Ashley and Volex fail with high current loads (they tend to be what gets used when a builder buys cheapest), and had GET simply wear out and fall apart rather quickly. Trying to remember when I've ever replaced a failed or worn out accessory. Of course a jobbing electrician will see this more often. Most domestically get replaced for cosmetic reasons. -- *If you think this van is dirty, you should try having sex with the driver* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article , Andrew Gabriel wrote: Had several Ashley and Volex fail with high current loads (they tend to be what gets used when a builder buys cheapest), and had GET simply wear out and fall apart rather quickly. Trying to remember when I've ever replaced a failed or worn out accessory. Of course a jobbing electrician will see this more often. Most domestically get replaced for cosmetic reasons. I've never needed to replace any parts I've bought and fitted, but that's because I buy good quality parts in the first place (with the exception of the previously mentioned GET gridswitch parts, which I still buy for 12V use only, but I treat as consumables). I have however replaced quite a number that were previously there when I moved in, or in other peoples' houses. Even thinking of my parents house which is 50 years old, fortunately wired with PVC T&E and with nearly all MK wiring accessories, it has had only one of the original MK parts fail, which was a light switch which wore out. (Also the original Wylex wired CU started burning out, and I replaced it 10 years ago, when I rewired their kitchen due to new kitchen being fitted). Other than that, all the MK wiring and accessories are original, and still in perfect working order. When I moved into my first house in 1986, it had been professional rewired in 1974, but just about every socket outlet was knackered. Some of this was down to faulty plugs from previous occupants which had damaged the sockets, but a lot of it was down to buying the cheapest, I suspect. Fortunately all the wiring behind was fine, although over the years, I think I gradually replaced it all as I tackled the decoration of each area of the house and properly fitted more outlets into the ring, and eventually split the ring into multiple separate rings, new CU, etc. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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PeterC wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:00:59 -0800 (PST), wrote: Distorted Vision wrote: I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. Ashley & Crabtree are the best imho. MK trail well behind. The cheap makes I dont really know. NT Out of interest, why does MK trail - it always seems to be pushed as Good Quality? I've just used a Crabtree pull-switch and it's well made. The leccies at work liked Wylex but not Volex, but that was 20 years ago so might be different now. I think it depends where you buy it. B&Q, for example, seem to squeeze the manufacturers so that the same MK product from them is far inferior to one from someone else (at a little more cost). Dimmer switches are a case in point. I've had two dimmer switches of the exact same model apart - one from B&Q and one from an independent. The heat sink was smaller, and there were some surge protection components missing from the B&Q model. -- JJ |
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Jason coughed up some electrons that declared:
I think it depends where you buy it. B&Q, for example, seem to squeeze the manufacturers so that the same MK product from them is far inferior to one from someone else (at a little more cost). Dimmer switches are a case in point. I've had two dimmer switches of the exact same model apart - one from B&Q and one from an independent. The heat sink was smaller, and there were some surge protection components missing from the B&Q model. To quote the Shamen: "Naughty naughty, very very naughty"... I've been re-evaluating things and am looking at Crabtree more now. Pity - GET had some very modular items, like grid light switches that would take a mixture of remote-button dimmers and normal switches - and also a range of 20A DP grid switches with annotated removable rocker covers, so if you swapped the dishwasher and fridge, you could swap the rocker covers on the isolators rather than move the plate. Cheers Tim |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:42:35 +0000, Jason wrote:
I think it depends where you buy it. B&Q, for example, seem to squeeze the manufacturers so that the same MK product from them is far inferior to one from someone else (at a little more cost). Dimmer switches are a case in point. I've had two dimmer switches of the exact same model apart - one from B&Q and one from an independent. The heat sink was smaller, and there were some surge protection components missing from the B&Q model. *Exact* same model number of the packaging? How about the bar code? B&Q do seem to be getting quite adept at walking just down the legal side of the line between illegal and legal. See the thread about kitchen unit pricing. Also take a look at the Karcher pressure washers in B&Q, you won't find them anywhere else or on the Karcher website. This gets 'em out the price match promise as you can't get the same product anywhere else, not illegal but not honourable IMHO. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:14:59 -0000, John wrote:
-------------------8 Perhaps the standard of sockets is being reduced to make us feel more inclined to go with the European standards! There are zealots who will prevent that. As it is, we have to continue using plugs capable of serving a 3-bar electric fire (must be pretty rare these days) to connect appliances that draw bugger-all current. And before you leap in (you kow who you are ;-), I _do_ understand the implications of fuse positioning in the circuit. |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:37:48 +0000, Appelation Controlee wrote:
As it is, we have to continue using plugs capable of serving a 3-bar electric fire (must be pretty rare these days) Er, our kettle is 3kW, we have a 2kW fan heater and an oil filled convector, I forget what that is rated at. The schuko is rated 16A so I'm not quite sure what your argument is. I _do_ understand the implications of fuse positioning in the circuit. So you do know the cost implications of the UK changing to schuko which is why it isn't going to happen, nothing to do with zealots. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Jason wrote:
I think it depends where you buy it. B&Q, for example, seem to squeeze the manufacturers so that the same MK product from them is far inferior to one from someone else (at a little more cost). Dimmer switches are a case in point. I've had two dimmer switches of the exact same model apart - one from B&Q and one from an independent. The heat sink was smaller, and there were some surge protection components missing from the B&Q model. Could it be that MK have recently started making the same model to a lower standard and you bought from B&Q more recently than the from the independent shop? Even if you bought from the independent more recently than from B&Q it's quite likely that an item from B&Q is newer because B&Q probably have a faster stock turnover than the independents. -- Mike Clarke |
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Appelation Controlee wrote: There are zealots who will prevent that. As it is, we have to continue using plugs capable of serving a 3-bar electric fire (must be pretty rare these days) to connect appliances that draw bugger-all current. And before you leap in (you kow who you are ;-), I _do_ understand the implications of fuse positioning in the circuit. Plenty of high current appliances still in use - washing machines, ovens, dishwashers, kettles, etc. You seem to be advocating going back to when there were several different sizes in use and that - for those who remember it - was a nightmare. If you do have an area where the size of 13 amp plugs is a problem - like say a computer installation - there's nothing to stop you using something smaller. IEC distribution blocks are readily available. -- *The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) coughed up some electrons that declared:
If you do have an area where the size of 13 amp plugs is a problem - like say a computer installation - there's nothing to stop you using something smaller. IEC distribution blocks are readily available. There are some nice IEC blocks with individual fuses per outlet too. The fly in the ointment are the random bits of kit with wall-warts - the British 13A socket (and the ex British 15A still used in parts of the world, eg S Africa) and the German Shucko are about the only systems I reckon are strong enough to cope with those. Hanging them off a weedy 2 pin just seems like asking for trouble. Cheers Tim |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Appelation Controlee wrote: There are zealots who will prevent that. As it is, we have to continue using plugs capable of serving a 3-bar electric fire (must be pretty rare these days) to connect appliances that draw bugger-all current. And before you leap in (you kow who you are ;-), I _do_ understand the implications of fuse positioning in the circuit. Plenty of high current appliances still in use - washing machines, ovens, dishwashers, kettles, etc. You seem to be advocating going back to when there were several different sizes in use and that - for those who remember it - was a nightmare. If you do have an area where the size of 13 amp plugs is a problem - like say a computer installation - there's nothing to stop you using something smaller. IEC distribution blocks are readily available. The mix of 2, 5, 15 and 13 amp plugs was indeed a disaster. (Plus some odd two pin things.) -- Rod Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious onset. Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed. www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:14:47 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:37:48 +0000, Appelation Controlee wrote: As it is, we have to continue using plugs capable of serving a 3-bar electric fire (must be pretty rare these days) Er, our kettle is 3kW, we have a 2kW fan heater and an oil filled convector, I forget what that is rated at. The schuko is rated 16A so I'm not quite sure what your argument is. That bit was an aside, and poorly thought through - thanks for the correction. :-) Most appliances, though, don't load the connection anywhere near its capability, but we still have to put up with a bloody great claw on the end of the lead. In the case of portable appliances, this is a bit of a PITA. I _do_ understand the implications of fuse positioning in the circuit. So you do know the cost implications of the UK changing to schuko which is why it isn't going to happen, nothing to do with zealots. Yes obviously, but most contrary arguments in the past have centred on the fact that shuko plugs don't incorporate a fuse, thus leaving open the possibility ... etc., etc... |
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Quality of different brands (MK, Crabtree, Volex & Marbo)
Appelation Controlee wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:14:47 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:37:48 +0000, Appelation Controlee wrote: As it is, we have to continue using plugs capable of serving a 3-bar electric fire (must be pretty rare these days) Er, our kettle is 3kW, we have a 2kW fan heater and an oil filled convector, I forget what that is rated at. The schuko is rated 16A so I'm not quite sure what your argument is. That bit was an aside, and poorly thought through - thanks for the correction. :-) Most appliances, though, don't load the connection anywhere near its capability, but we still have to put up with a bloody great claw on the end of the lead. In the case of portable appliances, this is a bit of a PITA. I _do_ understand the implications of fuse positioning in the circuit. So you do know the cost implications of the UK changing to schuko which is why it isn't going to happen, nothing to do with zealots. Yes obviously, but most contrary arguments in the past have centred on the fact that shuko plugs don't incorporate a fuse, thus leaving open the possibility ... etc., etc... There is a solution, one thats fully compatible, safe, and doesnt cause any extra expense. Its to use fused plugs that are a 2 pin version of today's bs1363 guage. New sockets would have 2 or 4 extra holes per socket, enabling the pluggng of one 3 pin device or 2/3 2 pin devices. A 3 pin plug could still be inserted into every socket in the land. A note about shutters: new 2 pin plugs would not go into old sockets that use an earth operated shutter, as many do. Existing sockets that use a L&N operated shutter would be fine, and new sockets would need to use this type of shutter. NT |
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Tim S wrote: Distorted Vision coughed up some electrons that declared: I'm looking at buying various switches and sockets and was wondering about the quality of different brands. I am very familar with MK but have only really heard of Crabtree, Volex and Marbo. I normally buy MK because I know they are good quality but we do not like the styling ot the Logic Plus range. So I was wondering about the other brands. I know they are all Electrium brands which are owned by Siemens. So I was wondering if there was really a difference between them. The reason I ask is that I've got a credit note from B&Q and they only Marbo in the items I want. Otherwise I would have to go to my local Edmumdson's or Screwfix for Crabtree or Volex. Many thanks for your help. I think you'll find that most of these brands are trade marks of Electrium. http://www.electrium.co.uk/ So probably all made in the same factory (in China, no doubt). I use Crabtree from Screwfix, and have had very few problems. And I like the styling (so does SWMBO). R. |
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TheOldFellow coughed up some electrons that declared:
I think you'll find that most of these brands are trade marks of Electrium. http://www.electrium.co.uk/ So probably all made in the same factory (in China, no doubt). Well yes, Volex, Crabtree and Wylex are Electrium. Which doesn't explain why people seem to think Volex is crap and Crabtree is good..? Cheers Tim |
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