It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

Thanks,

Fred.

Fred Finisterre wrote:
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?


To do it greenly you simply pay a tax.

--
Adrian C

In article ,
"Fred Finisterre" writes:
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

You could ask your council if they have any special facilities.
If it was a personal purchase, and not a business purchase,
you can send it back to the supplier for them to dispose of it
free of charge (although I don't think they have to pay the
return P&P costs).

However, at the moment, in the UK pretty much all domestic
fluorescent lamp waste just goes in regular landfill, and most
schemes that involve trying to deal with returning one lamp
for green disposal will generate more polution than the lamp
contains, such as driving to some recycling facility. These
lamps have a disposal tax on them for paying for safe disposal,
but there don't seem to be any schemes in place yet for
collecting them from domestic waste.

Before the lamp died, did you find it worked well.
How long did it last?
What sort of fitting and position was it run in?

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

Before the lamp died, did you find it worked well.
How long did it last?
What sort of fitting and position was it run in?


I'm curious too - this looks interesting.

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Fred Finisterre" writes:
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

You could ask your council if they have any special facilities.
If it was a personal purchase, and not a business purchase,
you can send it back to the supplier for them to dispose of it
free of charge (although I don't think they have to pay the
return P&P costs).

However, at the moment, in the UK pretty much all domestic
fluorescent lamp waste just goes in regular landfill, and most
schemes that involve trying to deal with returning one lamp
for green disposal will generate more polution than the lamp
contains, such as driving to some recycling facility. These
lamps have a disposal tax on them for paying for safe disposal,
but there don't seem to be any schemes in place yet for
collecting them from domestic waste.

Before the lamp died, did you find it worked well.
How long did it last?
What sort of fitting and position was it run in?


I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg


--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In article ,
"Graham." writes:

I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

I've had the capacitors die completely, but the ballast carries
on working, albeit with reduced light output and more difficulty
starting. My guess is that something else was the cause of death,
such as failure of the switching transistor. Normally, CFL's die
when the emission coating on the tube electrodes has all sputtered
off (same with most fluorescent tubes), but CFL ballasts can fail
if the lamp is operating in an unusually hot environment, such as
a pooly ventilated light fitting.

http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/lights/diy/

--
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On Jan 21, 11:20*pm, "Graham." wrote:
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message

...



In article ,
"Fred Finisterre" writes:
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

You could ask your council if they have any special facilities.
If it was a personal purchase, and not a business purchase,
you can send it back to the supplier for them to dispose of it
free of charge (although I don't think they have to pay the
return P&P costs).

However, at the moment, in the UK pretty much all domestic
fluorescent lamp waste just goes in regular landfill, and most
schemes that involve trying to deal with returning one lamp
for green disposal will generate more polution than the lamp
contains, such as driving to some recycling facility. These
lamps have a disposal tax on them for paying for safe disposal,
but there don't seem to be any schemes in place yet for
collecting them from domestic waste.

Before the lamp died, did you find it worked well.
How long did it last?
What sort of fitting and position was it run in?

I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

Were they in enclosed fittings, or installed hangind down? Both are
killers for these sorts of lamps.

MBQ

It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

You could ask your council if they have any special facilities.
If it was a personal purchase, and not a business purchase,
you can send it back to the supplier for them to dispose of it
free of charge (although I don't think they have to pay the
return P&P costs).

However, at the moment, in the UK pretty much all domestic
fluorescent lamp waste just goes in regular landfill, and most
schemes that involve trying to deal with returning one lamp
for green disposal will generate more polution than the lamp
contains, such as driving to some recycling facility. These
lamps have a disposal tax on them for paying for safe disposal,
but there don't seem to be any schemes in place yet for
collecting them from domestic waste.

Before the lamp died, did you find it worked well.
How long did it last?
What sort of fitting and position was it run in?

I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

Were they in enclosed fittings, or installed hangind down? Both are
killers for these sorts of lamps.



Upright, with no shade.

--
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%Profound_observation%

The message
from "Man at B&Q" contains these words:


I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

Were they in enclosed fittings, or installed hangind down? Both are
killers for these sorts of lamps.

Let's get into the real world. Most lamps are installed "hanging down"
-- i.e. cap up -- and a great many are installed in enclosed fittings.
If lamps are not developed sufficiently to be reliable in such
orientations and environments, they'd not developed sufficiently to
replace incandescent lamps.

Appin wrote:
The message
from "Man at B&Q" contains these words:


I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

Were they in enclosed fittings, or installed hangind down? Both are
killers for these sorts of lamps.

Let's get into the real world. Most lamps are installed "hanging down"
-- i.e. cap up -- and a great many are installed in enclosed fittings.
If lamps are not developed sufficiently to be reliable in such
orientations and environments, they'd not developed sufficiently to
replace incandescent lamps.

SSSHH.

Don't confuse religion with facts.

Graham. wrote:


I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

That has happened to all the bulbs I've ever taken apart too. Except for one
where the PCB tracks burned out.

In article ,
Jason writes:
Graham. wrote:


I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

In the lower one, failure appears to be due to the switching
transistor having blown up.

That has happened to all the bulbs I've ever taken apart too. Except for one
where the PCB tracks burned out.

Some designs deliberately burn out a track or fusible resistor
to prevent continued operation when the tube filaments are worn
out. (Continuing to run a dead tube is a fire risk as the tube
ends get very much hotter if the ballast lets it run in cold
cathode mode after the filament coatings have failed.)

--
Andrew Gabriel
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:49:07 -0000, Fred Finisterre wrote:

It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

Thanks,

Fred.

My local tip - sorry, recycling centre - has a wheelie bin for CFLs.

(It also has a bin for dead cells - bit worrying if it gets a load of
not-too-dead NiCads in it!).
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:44:53 +0000, PeterC
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:49:07 -0000, Fred Finisterre wrote:

It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

Thanks,

Fred.

My local tip - sorry, recycling centre - has a wheelie bin for CFLs.

I've just phoned my LA about disposal of CFLs (and indeed normal FL
tubes). The guy there isn't aware of any special arrangements and
advised my to simply put them in the normal wheelie-bin, even though I
did point out to him that they do contain a bit of mercury.

--
Frank Erskine

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:48:57 +0000 someone who may be Frank Erskine
wrote this:-

I've just phoned my LA about disposal of CFLs (and indeed normal FL
tubes). The guy there isn't aware of any special arrangements and
advised my to simply put them in the normal wheelie-bin, even though I
did point out to him that they do contain a bit of mercury.

They do and schemes are in place to deal with bulk quantities of
them. In small quantities there is not much harm and the fact that
perfection has not been achieved in disposing of them is not a
reason to avoid using them.

In addition I have heard [1] that using tungsten lamps instead means
that more mercury will be emitted from power stations to provide the
extra electricity than the mercury the compact fluorescent lamp
contains. I assume that this calculation was done using the average
basket of generation types, those who bring up the mercury question
tend not to have 100% green tariffs.

[1] To be fair I did hear it from a party politician representing
the Labour Party, a Westminster Minister of some sort. So the usual
cautions about believing what a representative of the Labour Party
says apply.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On 30 Jan, 16:30, David Hansen
wrote:

[1] To be fair I did hear it from a party politician representing
the Labour Party, a Westminster Minister of some sort. So the usual
cautions about believing what a representative of the Labour Party
says apply.

If you aren't getting value for money from your Labour peers, take
them off the payroll

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5601428.ece

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01..._register_row/

Remind me, is an Apparatchik the one between a Lord and a Duke?

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:48:57 +0000 someone who may be Frank Erskine
wrote this:-

I've just phoned my LA about disposal of CFLs (and indeed normal FL
tubes). The guy there isn't aware of any special arrangements and
advised my to simply put them in the normal wheelie-bin, even though I
did point out to him that they do contain a bit of mercury.

They do and schemes are in place to deal with bulk quantities of
them. In small quantities there is not much harm and the fact that
perfection has not been achieved in disposing of them is not a
reason to avoid using them.

In addition I have heard [1] that using tungsten lamps instead means
that more mercury will be emitted from power stations to provide the
extra electricity than the mercury the compact fluorescent lamp
contains. I assume that this calculation was done using the average
basket of generation types, those who bring up the mercury question
tend not to have 100% green tariffs.

[1] To be fair I did hear it from a party politician representing
the Labour Party, a Westminster Minister of some sort. So the usual
cautions about believing what a representative of the Labour Party
says apply.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

I also heard that there is more radiation emitted from the flue of a gas
fired power station than from a nuclear power station.

Kevin

On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:31:55 -0000, "Zen83237"
wrote:


"David Hansen" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:48:57 +0000 someone who may be Frank Erskine
wrote this:-

I've just phoned my LA about disposal of CFLs (and indeed normal FL
tubes). The guy there isn't aware of any special arrangements and
advised my to simply put them in the normal wheelie-bin, even though I
did point out to him that they do contain a bit of mercury.
Chuck the bl**dy thing in the bin. It's probably worse trying to
recycle thinngs that LAs aren't set-up to recycle in bulk (AKA flog
to China or India) than doing what we've always done.

Unless and until small-volume stuff like this - and batteries and
what have you - can be dealt with efficiently there's no benefit and
probably a net net detriment to making a special trip to the tip to
recycle them into the special receptacle that the dump-numpty chucks
into the landfill skip at the end of the day anyway.

On 4 Feb, 16:31, "Zen83237" wrote:

I also heard that there is more radiation emitted from the flue of a gas
fired power station than from a nuclear power station.

That's because nuclear power stations don't have too much in the way
of a "flue". Their waste goes out on railway wagons.

On 30 Jan, 13:10, Huge wrote:

My local (Bedford) "Tidy Tip" has a bin for CFLs. Needless to say, the numpties
are putting GLS bulbs in it.

Which at the scope you have to think about for council planning is
actually a _good_ thing. It's better for them to have some "false
positives" like this than to stop using it for everything. Afetr all,
a GLS can be disposed of as a CFL, if a little less efficiently.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:45:39 +0000, clumsy ******* wrote:

PeterC wrote:

My local tip - sorry, recycling centre - has a wheelie bin for CFLs.

I will check at mine

(It also has a bin for dead cells - bit worrying if it gets a load of
not-too-dead NiCads in it!).

ohhhh dear, hadnt thought of that, how would you put it out?

When NiCads get hot they can give of cadmium and that has a nasty effect on
the bones. A Japanese chap did it with some button cells and coins in his
pocket and there was a bad effect on his femur.
Cadmium is very nasty.
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

On 22 Jan, 10:26, PeterC wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:45:39 +0000, clumsy ******* wrote:
PeterC wrote:


When NiCads get hot they can give of cadmium and that has a nasty effect on
the bones. A Japanese chap did it with some button cells and coins in his
pocket and there was a bad effect on his femur.
Cadmium is very nasty.

Have you got a reference for that?

Cheers,

Sid

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 03:46:43 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On 22 Jan, 10:26, PeterC wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:45:39 +0000, clumsy ******* wrote:
PeterC wrote:


When NiCads get hot they can give of cadmium and that has a nasty effect on
the bones. A Japanese chap did it with some button cells and coins in his
pocket and there was a bad effect on his femur.
Cadmium is very nasty.

Have you got a reference for that?

Cheers,

Sid

No, sorry, it was in a mag. at work, so =20 years ago.
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

"Fred Finisterre" wrote in message
...
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?


Short answer - local tip should have places to take them for safe disposal.
If you're near an IKEA, they also take them back for disposal.


Longer answer - it's a disgrace. The intention of the regulators behind WEEE
was that retailers and manufacturers would take responsibility for the safe
disposal of waste electrical goods, and as I understand it, most European
countries have systems whereby old electrical equipment can be left with the
retailer when you buy replacements.

In the UK on the other hand, because we have such a supine 'business
friendly' establishment, the regulations were framed to allow retailers to
buy their way out of their responsibilities and contribute to an 'industry
wide' scheme that raised money, gave it to local authorities and said "OK,
you get rid of the problem for us".

The outcome is that your local authority pays whatever it costs for getting
rid of WEEE, your Council Tax increases to meet any shortfall in cost, and
the retailers and manufacturers absolve themselves of responsibility.

In article ,
OG wrote:

"Fred Finisterre" wrote in message
...
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?


Short answer - local tip should have places to take them for safe disposal.
If you're near an IKEA, they also take them back for disposal.


I was quite surprised the other day to discover PCWorld will also take
any WEEE items - even stuff not purchased from them.

See http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/weee

In particular, "PC World are offering free in store take back so you are
able to take your items to our stores. You need not have purchased the
equipment in one of our stores"

Only restriction seems to be "We reserve the right to refuse products
that are not presented in a clean and safe manner".

I wonder how many fridges they get

Darren

OG wrote:

In the UK on the other hand, because we have such a supine 'business
friendly' establishment, the regulations were framed to allow retailers to

The UK interpretation of the regulations is so complex as to be a
consultants dream of a gravy train. The upshot is that many business
have simply ignored them as they can't see any workable way of
implementing them, plenty can't even work out if they even apply to them
in the first place.

buy their way out of their responsibilities and contribute to an 'industry
wide' scheme that raised money, gave it to local authorities and said "OK,
you get rid of the problem for us".

There are a number of companies that have packaged a service for
compliance, but these are rather expensive at the moment.

The outcome is that your local authority pays whatever it costs for getting
rid of WEEE, your Council Tax increases to meet any shortfall in cost, and
the retailers and manufacturers absolve themselves of responsibility.

I would guess Jo public prefers it that way. They like paying low prices
for their electronic stuff and seem to mind less the indirect costs that
add up as a result of this. If you require that the retailers or
manufacturers[1] shoulder the cost of handling it, then you can expect
the costs to be passed directly onto the customer.

[1] Obviously manufacturers of EE are far harder to tax since they are
not usually in the country of consumption these days.

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John.

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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:49:07 -0000, "Fred Finisterre"
wrote:

It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?


Are you sure it's really dead ?

"Dynamo" Hansen's CFL's last 20 years +

It's a Chinese Yellow, maybe it's just pining for it's homeland, the
place of it's birth on the banks of the Yangtze Kiang.

;-)

Derek

On Jan 21, 5:15*pm, Derek Geldard wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:49:07 -0000, "Fred Finisterre"

wrote:
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

Are you sure it's really dead ?

"Dynamo" Hansen's CFL's last 20 years +

It's a Chinese Yellow, maybe it's just pining for it's homeland, the
place of it's birth on the banks of the Yangtze Kiang. *

;-)

Derek

This recycling business seems to definitely be 'A work in progress'!
Here ANY fluorescent tube or CFL is NOT SUPPOSED to be put into
garbage pickup!
They are all (now) classed as 'Hazardous waste'.
However like anything also, one or two 'hidden' CFLs in the regular
garbage pickup go gaily on their way to end up in the dump (tip) and
be buried. (Along with regular light bulbs and everything else
including much bigger items!)
Particularly since there seems to be no procedure set up by the local
recycling depots to accept them!
However one or two 48 inch fluorescent tubes put out in the garbage
pickup were left by side of the road; don't know if that's how one got
'accidentally on purpose' broken, but have our suspicions. Based on a
couple of complaints about the occasional actions of one garbage
collection contractor!

terry wrote:

This recycling business seems to definitely be 'A work in progress'!
Here ANY fluorescent tube or CFL is NOT SUPPOSED to be put into
garbage pickup!
They are all (now) classed as 'Hazardous waste'.
However like anything also, one or two 'hidden' CFLs in the regular
garbage pickup go gaily on their way to end up in the dump (tip) and
be buried. (Along with regular light bulbs and everything else
including much bigger items!)

We now have three wheelie bins; one green for food / garden /
compostible waste that is emptied each week, the original grey one that
is not designated recyclables, and a purple lidded version for "rubbish"
- these are emptied each week in alternation. Instructions explicitly
say that all bulbs, and batts are to be thrown in the rubbish one and
not the recyclables. (Not sure how you are supposed to dispose of a long
tube though). Dog crap is apparently also rubbish and not compost. So
there is no consistency either.


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Cheers,

John.

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In article ,
John Rumm writes:
We now have three wheelie bins; one green for food / garden /
compostible waste that is emptied each week, the original grey one that
is not designated recyclables, and a purple lidded version for "rubbish"
- these are emptied each week in alternation. Instructions explicitly
say that all bulbs, and batts are to be thrown in the rubbish one and
not the recyclables. (Not sure how you are supposed to dispose of a long
tube though). Dog crap is apparently also rubbish and not compost. So
there is no consistency either.

I have 4 schemes to contend with -- mine, and 3 other family
households all in different council areas whose rubbish I
put out from time to time. They've all got completely different
rules about what can go in what bin, when they collect if it's
a bank holiday, etc.

There's some rule that requires councils to prevent batteries
going into landfill, which none seem to have complied with.
Ours was going to distribute post-paid envelopes to put used
batteries in so you post them back to the council, but that
never took off (I wouldn't be surprised if the Royal Mail
didn't like the idea of pillar boxes full of leaking batteries).

I notice some of the large customers I deal with in the City
have battery collection bins at work intended for their staff
to bring in all their dead batteries from home. I don't know
who organises that, but that's probably one of the cheapest
ways to collect them.

--
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
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I notice some of the large customers I deal with in the City
have battery collection bins at work intended for their staff
to bring in all their dead batteries from home. I don't know
who organises that, but that's probably one of the cheapest
ways to collect them.

As well as collecting fluorescent bulbs, IKEA also have a bin for batteries.

wrote:
On 21 Jan,
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

There's some rule that requires councils to prevent batteries
going into landfill, which none seem to have complied with.
Ours was going to distribute post-paid envelopes to put used
batteries in so you post them back to the council, but that
never took off (I wouldn't be surprised if the Royal Mail
didn't like the idea of pillar boxes full of leaking batteries).

We get given small labelled plastic bags (about A5 size) in which to
put small batteries in. This is then put in the recyclables box for
kerbside sorting once a fortnight. It seems to work well.

Whilst the process might work well, I doubt that this stacks up
environmentally. More plastic and I assume that the bags are delivered.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
terry wrote:

This recycling business seems to definitely be 'A work in progress'!
Here ANY fluorescent tube or CFL is NOT SUPPOSED to be put into
garbage pickup!
They are all (now) classed as 'Hazardous waste'.
However like anything also, one or two 'hidden' CFLs in the regular
garbage pickup go gaily on their way to end up in the dump (tip) and
be buried. (Along with regular light bulbs and everything else
including much bigger items!)

We now have three wheelie bins; one green for food / garden / compostible
waste that is emptied each week, the original grey one that is not
designated recyclables, and a purple lidded version for "rubbish" - these
are emptied each week in alternation. Instructions explicitly say that all
bulbs, and batts are to be thrown in the rubbish one and not the
recyclables. (Not sure how you are supposed to dispose of a long tube
though). Dog crap is apparently also rubbish and not compost. So there is
no consistency either.


--
Cheers,

John.

Barnsley "four bins" council have

grey - rubbish
green - garden waste and cardboard (1)(2)
blue - paper (3)
brown - glass and cans

(1) the cardboard must not be thick cardboard
(2) the cardboard must not have come into contact with food
(3) no telephone directories

The grey bin goes out on alternate weeks to the other three bins.

The wheelie bin police do come around every now and again and have a look
inside the bins but never the grey bin.

The council did offer free composting bins at one point but as I believe
that composting nearly killed my Mum I am not a big fan of it.

Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:

Barnsley "four bins" council have

grey - rubbish
green - garden waste and cardboard (1)(2)
blue - paper (3)
brown - glass and cans

(1) the cardboard must not be thick cardboard

We can stick thick cardboard in ours, but only board with no sticky tape
on it. Same as envelopes as long as you remove any windows, or gummed
edges! (i.e. sod that for a game of soldiers, they can go in the purple
rubbish bin)

The wheelie bin police do come around every now and again and have a look
inside the bins but never the grey bin.

at least we don't seem to have them...



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ARWadsworth wrote:
(3) no telephone directories

We can put "white" telephone directories in the paper recycling bin, but not
Yellow Pages.
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Reentrant

clumsy ******* wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

Barnsley "four bins" council have

grey - rubbish
green - garden waste and cardboard (1)(2)
blue - paper (3)
brown - glass and cans

thats par for the course everywhere, or soon will be

Or maybe not!

The other day I noticed a large headline on one of the daily
publications sometimes called newspapers. Said something like all
domestic bins are going to be scrapped. We will have bigger bins serving
several properties - every 20 houses or whatever.

Struck me that there could be some advantages:

o Someone else is responsible for keeping them clean and working;
o Less of our garden occupied by bins;
o Possibly emptied more frequently;
o No rushing out with bins to catch the collection;

On the other hand:

o We don't want one next door to us;
o Can't imagine that, except in a few places, people will respect them
and use them all appropriately, quietly and tidily;
o I don't fancy having to walk down the street every time a bin needs
emptying. And partner can't.

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Rod

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onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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clumsy ******* coughed up some electrons that declared:

"ARWadsworth" wrote:

Barnsley "four bins" council have

grey - rubbish
green - garden waste and cardboard (1)(2)
blue - paper (3)
brown - glass and cans

thats par for the course everywhere, or soon will be

Harrow (London) manage with 3: Rubbish (brown IIRC), garden+food (green) and
all other recyclables (blue).

If councils want people to participate in complicated schemes, they need to
make it as simple as possible and I think Harrow have found that.

Now they've set the standard I see no excuse why it can;t become a national
standard. From a householder's POV it's about as simple as it could
possibly be - the council have to do some work with the blue bin, I assume,
to sort it at the depot, but that's what we're paying council tax for.

Cheers

Tim

In message , clumsy *******
wrote
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

Barnsley "four bins" council have

grey - rubbish
green - garden waste and cardboard (1)(2)
blue - paper (3)
brown - glass and cans

thats par for the course everywhere, or soon will be

and it all goes to the same landfill.

The problem is not going to be solved by recycling. What is needed is
less packaging and stopping the couple of tons of paper junk per year
that is pushed through each letter box.

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Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

Fred Finisterre wrote:
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

OMG!

"Move away from the bulb". "Now".

This is hazardous waste and could destroy the planets ecosystem. You could
be fined £5000 for incorrect disposal.

Shame on you for ever buying it in the first place.



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Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Fred Finisterre wrote:
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

OMG!

"Move away from the bulb". "Now".

This is hazardous waste and could destroy the planets ecosystem. You
could be fined £5000 for incorrect disposal.

Shame on you for ever buying it in the first place.

I'm highly amused by this:

http://blog.pricegrabber.co.uk/shopg...ange-solution/

Both the article and the Defra advise.
OTT?