Man at B&Q wrote:
On Jan 16, 4:12 pm, "Unbeliever" wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Jan 15, 11:56 pm, "Unbeliever" wrote:
Dave wrote:
If various different government departments have been given the
right to enter your home, just where does this put your basic
European rights to privacy?

Dave

Privacy, what privacy? Under the various regulations and laws
spouting from both this country and the EEC there is no such thing
as privacy now - George Orwell's 1984 has arrived! (It was a bright
cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.)

All private telephone calls, e-mails and internet traffic is now
intercepted

Don't be stupid.

MBQ

MBQ,

I really would suggest that you look up the information on a little
program called Echelon. This was developed in the USA and is now
used widely in Europe and this country to eavesdrop on *all* methods
of electronic and tele communications, which are then stored for up
to a year at the moment (generally not the text of the message, but
certainly any information that can trace that call right back to you
and any assignation that you want hidden from the 'other half')

There's a difference between logging the fact of a communication and
"intercepting" it.

MBQ

What must you do first before you *log* the fact of a communication?

That's correct - you must first *intercept* it!

And during that 'interception' the communication *will* be read (if it's
been 'flagged' by a keyword etc) - and if it is of interest to the
interceptor - a copy will be kept in its entirety and placed on file for
evidence etc - if it's not of interest, only the 'headers' will be kept and
stored.

So, providing that the assignation is not undermining national security,
then be assured, it will remain 'hidden' from your other half and the
evidence (headers only) will deleted after about a year (at the moment) - so
you can breath a sigh of relief.


Never mind, it must be terrifying living with the threat of the 'other half'
finding out you've been up to naughties! -

ROTFL

Unbeliever

Cash wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Jan 16, 4:12 pm, "Unbeliever" wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Jan 15, 11:56 pm, "Unbeliever" wrote:
Dave wrote:
If various different government departments have been given the
right to enter your home, just where does this put your basic
European rights to privacy?
Dave
Privacy, what privacy? Under the various regulations and laws
spouting from both this country and the EEC there is no such thing
as privacy now - George Orwell's 1984 has arrived! (It was a bright
cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.)
All private telephone calls, e-mails and internet traffic is now
intercepted
Don't be stupid.
MBQ
MBQ,

I really would suggest that you look up the information on a little
program called Echelon. This was developed in the USA and is now
used widely in Europe and this country to eavesdrop on *all* methods
of electronic and tele communications, which are then stored for up
to a year at the moment (generally not the text of the message, but
certainly any information that can trace that call right back to you
and any assignation that you want hidden from the 'other half')
There's a difference between logging the fact of a communication and
"intercepting" it.

MBQ

What must you do first before you *log* the fact of a communication?

That's correct - you must first *intercept* it!


well in that case every single email in the world is intercepted by an
ISP somewhere,. and generally two.

So what?

The whole point being that no one can afford to store the CONTENTS, or
even the headers.

You have no idea how much mail goes through.

All one stores is the logs, which generally only say who its from, where
it was bound, where it was received from and where it was forwarded to
with timestamps.



And during that 'interception' the communication *will* be read (if it's
been 'flagged' by a keyword etc) - and if it is of interest to the
interceptor - a copy will be kept in its entirety and placed on file for
evidence etc - if it's not of interest, only the 'headers' will be kept and
stored.

well flood your email with keywords then. Or encrypt it.

Its all possible. but since one assumes that writing something like 'the
bombs will detonate on friday, praise be to allah' will be instantly
picked up, its easier to say 'Buy your Nike shoes from www.bolocks.com:
Offer ends friday' and splash it across all the newsgroups. It will get
ignored as spam.



So, providing that the assignation is not undermining national security,
then be assured, it will remain 'hidden' from your other half and the
evidence (headers only) will deleted after about a year (at the moment) - so
you can breath a sigh of relief.


Never mind, it must be terrifying living with the threat of the 'other half'
finding out you've been up to naughties! -


I've seen worse than that in my time administering e-mail systems..


ROTFL

Unbeliever

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:12:55 -0000, "Unbeliever"
wrote:

I would suggest that you look up the information on a little program
called Echelon. This was developed in the USA and is now used widely in
Europe and this country to eavesdrop on *all* methods of electronic and tele
communications, which are then stored for up to a year at the moment
(generally not the text of the message, but certainly any information that
can trace that call right back to you and any assignation that you want
hidden from the 'other half') - also check out Cheltenham for more info on
surveillance.

According rumours circulated a few years ago it gets overloaded
everytime there is a bunch of people who say "kill the president" on
the phone. Writing it in an email or usenet message doesn't help
either


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The message
from Huge contains these words:

Anyone know
where you can get standard road name signs made up?

They're only stick on letters, numbers, symbols and borders :-)

The message
from PeterC contains these words:


Site it carefully - if some one trips over it or knocks against it you
could be sued. ISTR an unofficial sign being hit by a vehicle that was
swerving off the road and the 'driver' trying it on!

Apart from the obvious authorities, only AA, RAC and CTC have a 'right' to
erect road signs (and I suspect that doesn't include 'public'-type ones).

If it's indistinguishable from the official version and it appears
quietly one dark night it's likely to be a very considerable time before
bureaucracy tumbles to the fact that it hasn't been placed there by
"some other department." We have a wonderful bus layby here,
complete with bus stop sign. It's been there so long that the
(plastic-covered) steel post supporting the bus-stop sign rusted so
badly the sign fell down. It was promptly replaced. The only problem
is that the buses have, since the bus service started in approximately
1920, gone round the village in an anti-clockwise direction which means
that no buses ever use the layby which is on the wrong side of the road.
Officialdom, as we all know, is full of bumbling iditots with little
(if any) local knowledge.

In message , Huge
writes
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:41:06 +0000, PeterC wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:57:58 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:55:06 +0000, Tim S wrote:

Reckon a signwriters would do it. But a carefully hand painted plank
of wood is still quite readable.

Or if the road name isn't to long made up as a number plate or two.
Nicely reflective and cheap. Several of those around here but not for
road names as the roads don't have names.

Site it carefully - if some one trips over it or knocks against it you
could be sued. ISTR an unofficial sign being hit by a vehicle that was
swerving off the road and the 'driver' trying it on!

Apart from the obvious authorities, only AA, RAC and CTC have a 'right'
to erect road signs (and I suspect that doesn't include 'public'-type
ones).

Oh, I was going to erect one that was indistinguishable from a real one...

If you attach your replica to existing legal street furniture and are
careful to avoid obstructing sight lines etc. you might avoid
litigation.

An existing wall or fence might do.

Highways may require you to remove it but only if they know who was
responsible.

Our by-way already had an *unsuitable for motors* sign. With the on-set
of navigator technology, it gained an unofficial cul-de-sac sign.

Also, in order to widen a domestic drive, I once quietly moved a street
name sign by a few metres. 40 years on, it is still the-)

regards






--
Tim Lamb

Huge wrote:
On 2009-01-20, Appin wrote:
The message
from PeterC contains these words:


Site it carefully - if some one trips over it or knocks against it you
could be sued. ISTR an unofficial sign being hit by a vehicle that was
swerving off the road and the 'driver' trying it on!
Apart from the obvious authorities, only AA, RAC and CTC have a 'right' to
erect road signs (and I suspect that doesn't include 'public'-type ones).
If it's indistinguishable from the official version and it appears
quietly one dark night it's likely to be a very considerable time before
bureaucracy tumbles to the fact that it hasn't been placed there by
"some other department."

Especially given that (i) there appear to be about 5 or 6 different
"departments" involved and (ii) it's been over 3 years since the
correspondence started, so they're not exactly speedy.

The problem is apparently that the road we live on is called Wibble
Road at one end and Quux Lane at the other, and no-one seems to know
where they change over. My wife's suggestion was to signpost the
road "Wibble Road leading to Quux Lane" at one end and "Quux Lane
leading to Wibble Road" at the other, and not worry about where the
changeover is, but this brilliant solution seems to be beyond the
comprehension of local Government.

I too live on a road which changes name, apparently arbitrarily, halfway
along it. Causes no end of confusion as people simply do not expect it.
Also, house numbering suffers a sudden dislocation.

--
Rod

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