Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...oor-Closer-Kit

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?

Are they a pig to fit?

Any advice gratefully received!

Mike

On Dec 24, 11:24*am, Mikeyboy wrote:
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep *leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...rniture/Commer...

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?

Are they a pig to fit?

Any advice gratefully received!

Mike


I guess your problem is that the rising butt hinges bring the door
almost clsoed and you want something that will 'click' the latch. I
think there are gadgets that do this but this is not one of them.

I've fitted these in the past. They were easy to fit but did not work
too well. the closing force is stongest when the door is open and
weakest when it is nearly closed. So: (1) the door still does not
'click shut' if it's been left slightly open and (2) if it's left wide
open it whams shut with a loud bang and always worries me that
someone's finger might get taken off by it.


Robert

"Mikeyboy" wrote in message
...
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...oor-Closer-Kit

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?

Are they a pig to fit?

Any advice gratefully received!


I've never fitted on but I would guess the up and down travel of the door
would interfere with the operation. I would have thought the door would be
moving more than the width of the chain.

Mikeyboy wrote:
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...oor-Closer-Kit

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?

Are they a pig to fit?

Any advice gratefully received!

Mike

There's an instruction manual on the same page. I don't see how it would
work with rising butts

"stuart noble" wrote in message
...
Mikeyboy wrote:
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...oor-Closer-Kit

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?

Are they a pig to fit?

Any advice gratefully received!

Mike

There's an instruction manual on the same page. I don't see how it would
work with rising butts

If the rising butts are lubricated they might close the door on their own

John wrote:
"stuart noble" wrote in message
...
Mikeyboy wrote:
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...oor-Closer-Kit

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?

Are they a pig to fit?

Any advice gratefully received!

Mike
There's an instruction manual on the same page. I don't see how it would
work with rising butts

If the rising butts are lubricated they might close the door on their own


Rising butts will normally close the door to on their own.
Do you want the door to close automatically in the summer? If not you
may have to put a wedge under it or find a system that can be easily
disabled as required.

Mikeyboy wrote:
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...oor-Closer-Kit

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?

This closer cannot be used with rising butt hinges - the lifting and
dropping action of the door will cause problems.

Are they a pig to fit?

They are easy to fit and adjust - but not with rising butts. (As a matter
of interest, these are usually used on heavy fire resistant doors as a
'secret' automatic door closer).

Any advice gratefully received!

If the rising butt hinge pins and slots are clean and oiled they will
normally close the door to the point where the mortice latch (or rim latch)
friction will stop it entering the rebate - but that should be sufficient to
keep most of the heat in the room (it is possible to adjust these to ease
the friction).

If the door still refuses to close after cleaning and oiling the hinges, try
moving the top hinge slightly towards the rebate and the bottom one slightly
away -so that the door is in effect 'leaning' towards the closing jamb (out
of plumb) - and this will assist the action of the hinges.

Cash

On 24 Dec, 15:19, "Cash"
wrote:
Mikeyboy wrote:
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep *leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...rniture/Commer...

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?

This closer cannot be used with rising butt hinges - the lifting and
dropping action of the door will cause problems.

Are they a pig to fit?

They are easy to fit and adjust - but not with rising butts. *(As a matter
of interest, these are usually used on heavy fire resistant doors as a
'secret' automatic door closer).

Any advice gratefully received!

If the rising butt hinge pins and slots are clean and oiled they will
normally close the door to the point where the mortice latch (or rim latch)
friction will stop it entering the rebate - but that should be sufficient to
keep most of the heat in the room (it is possible to adjust these to ease
the friction).

If the door still refuses to close after cleaning and oiling the hinges, try
moving the top hinge slightly towards the rebate and the bottom one slightly
away -so that the door is in effect 'leaning' towards the closing jamb (out
of plumb) - and this will assist the action of the hinges.

Cash

Good advice here, but what is a problem in this case is the friction
from the carpet which tends to stop the butt hinges working in the way
you suggest.
I perhaps should have mentioned that before.
Thanks

Mikeyboy wrote:
On 24 Dec, 15:19, "Cash"
wrote:
Mikeyboy wrote:
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it to
keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep leaving
the doors open - this would keep em closed.
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...rniture/Commer...
BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any issues
there?
This closer cannot be used with rising butt hinges - the lifting and
dropping action of the door will cause problems.

Are they a pig to fit?
They are easy to fit and adjust - but not with rising butts. (As a matter
of interest, these are usually used on heavy fire resistant doors as a
'secret' automatic door closer).

Any advice gratefully received!
If the rising butt hinge pins and slots are clean and oiled they will
normally close the door to the point where the mortice latch (or rim latch)
friction will stop it entering the rebate - but that should be sufficient to
keep most of the heat in the room (it is possible to adjust these to ease
the friction).

If the door still refuses to close after cleaning and oiling the hinges, try
moving the top hinge slightly towards the rebate and the bottom one slightly
away -so that the door is in effect 'leaning' towards the closing jamb (out
of plumb) - and this will assist the action of the hinges.

Cash

Good advice here, but what is a problem in this case is the friction
from the carpet which tends to stop the butt hinges working in the way
you suggest.
I perhaps should have mentioned that before.
Thanks

Take some off the bottom of the door then.

Mikeyboy wrote:
On 24 Dec, 15:19, "Cash"
wrote:
Mikeyboy wrote:
Wondering if this door closer would be a good option - just want it
to keep a couple of rooms cosy in cold weather. The kids keep
leaving the doors open - this would keep em closed.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/67751/...rniture/Commer...

BUT the doors have rising butt hinges and date from 1880 - any
issues there?

This closer cannot be used with rising butt hinges - the lifting and
dropping action of the door will cause problems.

Are they a pig to fit?

They are easy to fit and adjust - but not with rising butts. (As a
matter of interest, these are usually used on heavy fire resistant
doors as a 'secret' automatic door closer).

Any advice gratefully received!

If the rising butt hinge pins and slots are clean and oiled they will
normally close the door to the point where the mortice latch (or rim
latch) friction will stop it entering the rebate - but that should
be sufficient to keep most of the heat in the room (it is possible
to adjust these to ease the friction).

If the door still refuses to close after cleaning and oiling the
hinges, try moving the top hinge slightly towards the rebate and the
bottom one slightly away -so that the door is in effect 'leaning'
towards the closing jamb (out of plumb) - and this will assist the
action of the hinges.

Cash

Good advice here, but what is a problem in this case is the friction
from the carpet which tends to stop the butt hinges working in the way
you suggest.
I perhaps should have mentioned that before.
Thanks

Mikeyboy,

Without seeing the job, that then would suggest to me that the hinges are
not properly fitted anyway and would need some adjusting on the frame/door -
but as Stuart says in his post, ease the bottom of the door just enough to
let the door drop properly into the rebate (may be the lesser of evils).

As a matter of interest, rising butts are designed so that the door can rest
on top of the carpet when fully closed.

Cash

How should they be fitted in fact then? The rising butts I mean. Any
online source of advice?
Clearly I can trim the bottom off the door, but I would do that as a
later option. Important to get the hinges in the right place first?

Mikeyboy wrote:
How should they be fitted in fact then? The rising butts I mean. Any
online source of advice?
Clearly I can trim the bottom off the door, but I would do that as a
later option. Important to get the hinges in the right place first?

Unless you have a gap at the top of the door, one assumes they are in
the right place. 3mm all round is about right.
Usual thing is that the door bottoms aren't trimmed when a thicker floor
covering is put down. They sort of close, so nobody bothers.