I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:13:44 +0000, TheOldFellow wrote:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

A level stuff compared to "its" and "it's", and nobody get's those wright
either. You could right a book about it: how a bout calling it "Eats,
shoots and leaves"?

And as for pronounciation ....
http://stumbles.org.uk/John/rec/English.html

--
John Stumbles

There's nowt as queer as folk.
Especially other folk.

John Stumbles wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:13:44 +0000, TheOldFellow wrote:

Oh dear John.

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

A level stuff compared to "its" and "it's", and nobody get's (gets) those wright (right)
either. You could right (write) a book about it: how a bout (about) calling it "Eats,
shoots and leaves"?

Groan :-)

Dave

"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' ....

.... would have earned us the ire of our English Master. Contractions were
never permitted.

Colin Bignell

"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Another one that is really winding me up is the use of "teh" instead of
"the", why do it?


--
The Glory Hornet

If you have nothing to do then do nothing and enjoy it!!

TGH wrote:


"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Another one that is really winding me up is the use of "teh" instead of
"the", why do it?

That (in my case anyway) is just a typo (typographic error). When
typing reasonably fast in my non-touch-typing way of doing it
transposing the e and the h of 'the' is a common error.

I usually spot it and correct it but sometimes it creeps through.

--
Chris Green

TGH wrote:


"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Another one that is really winding me up is the use of "teh" instead of
"the", why do it?


mind faster than teh fingers.

TGH explained :

"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Another one that is really winding me up is the use of "teh" instead of
"the", why do it?

I do that, a matter of brain working faster than fingers and finger not
pushing the keys in the right order.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:51:06 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

TGH explained :

"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Another one that is really winding me up is the use of "teh" instead of
"the", why do it?

I do that, a matter of brain working faster than fingers and finger not
pushing the keys in the right order.

Another annoying one is 'ect' instead of 'etc' (et cetera).
And of course there's 'asterix' instead of 'asterisk'.

--
Frank Erskine

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:08:53 UTC, Frank Erskine
wrote:

Another annoying one is 'ect' instead of 'etc' (et cetera).
And of course there's 'asterix' instead of 'asterisk'.

Even more when they're spoken. eck-settera and asterix.

--
The information contained in this post is copyright the
poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by
http://www.diybanter.com

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:18:21 UTC, M wrote:

Following up to Bob Eager

Even more when they're spoken. eck-settera and asterix.

how would you say the name of the "Pentax *ist" (sic) I have one and don't
know

No idea!

I heard about four different pronunciations of the drug 'doxazosin', and
wondered which one was correct....turned out it was none of them. How do
I know? I had dinner with one of the guys who named it!
--
The information contained in this post is copyright the
poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by
http://www.diybanter.com

In message , Frank Erskine
writes
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:51:06 GMT, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

TGH explained :

"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Another one that is really winding me up is the use of "teh" instead of
"the", why do it?

I do that, a matter of brain working faster than fingers and finger not
pushing the keys in the right order.

Another annoying one is 'ect' instead of 'etc' (et cetera).
And of course there's 'asterix' instead of 'asterisk'.

does it Gaul you ?


--
geoff

TheOldFellow wrote:
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

Didn't you miss yaw and yore?

And who can ignore the "upto" neologism? And its close brethren -
inappropriate use of into, onto and so on.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:54:33 +0000, Rod
wrote:

TheOldFellow wrote:
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

Didn't you miss yaw and yore?

And who can ignore the "upto" neologism? And its close brethren -
inappropriate use of into, onto and so on.

tow the line.
principle and principal
there and their
I confess to misusing licence and license. Can never recall which is
which so I adopt the american usage and use either interchangeably

But.
cod philosophy
cod latin

why cod?

Always puzzled me.
I have asked a number of graduates in english over the years and none
can tell me. One had Phd and was a rabid pedant over the use of
english and even he couldn't tell me.

In article , Alang
writes

But.
cod philosophy
cod latin

why cod?

Always puzzled me.

Wikipedia suggests it's a contraction of codswallop.

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , Alang
writes

But.
cod philosophy
cod latin

why cod?

Always puzzled me.

Wikipedia suggests it's a contraction of codswallop.




So, Wiki says that it's all codswallop !!!!
Dave

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:57:59 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

In article , Alang
writes

But.
cod philosophy
cod latin

why cod?

Always puzzled me.

Wikipedia suggests it's a contraction of codswallop.

Yes. One of the suggestions made but with no proof and no explanation
as to why a slang name for a soft drink should be contracted and used
in this way.

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , Alang
writes

But.
cod philosophy
cod latin

why cod?

Always puzzled me.

Wikipedia suggests it's a contraction of codswallop.


But also: "Contrary to the critics quoted above, many people with
working class English ancestry recall the use of the term in the 1930s &
1940s in northern England. [citation needed]"

In the West Riding, "cod" was simply a dialect variation of "kid" as in
"kidding", eg "It's a cod".

Likewise, "wallop" was an old slang term for beer. When Mr Codd started
brewing beer, the attraction between those words must have been
irresistible... and still is.



--
Ian White

Eliot was wrong: Febyouary is the cruelest month.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Ian White
saying something like:

In the West Riding, "cod" was simply a dialect variation of "kid" as in
"kidding", eg "It's a cod".

That's common in Ireland.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:46:01 +0000, Alang
wrote:


tow the line.
principle and principal
there and their
I confess to misusing licence and license. Can never recall which is
which so I adopt the american usage and use either interchangeably

Draught and Draft...

--
Frank Erskine

The message
from Frank Erskine contains these words:

I confess to misusing licence and license. Can never recall which is
which so I adopt the american usage and use either interchangeably

Draught and Draft...

Practice/practise ...

--
Roger Chapman

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:33:37 GMT, Roger
wrote:

The message
from Frank Erskine contains these words:

I confess to misusing licence and license. Can never recall which is
which so I adopt the american usage and use either interchangeably

Draught and Draft...

Practice/practise ...

Yes. That one gets me too

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:46:01 +0000, Alang
wrote:


tow the line.
principle and principal
there and their
I confess to misusing licence and license. Can never recall which is
which so I adopt the american usage and use either interchangeably

Draught and Draft...

UK vs US.

Alang wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:54:33 +0000, Rod
wrote:

TheOldFellow wrote:
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in
general, to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar.
For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your
and you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as
follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean
that something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

Didn't you miss yaw and yore?

And who can ignore the "upto" neologism? And its close brethren -
inappropriate use of into, onto and so on.

tow the line.
principle and principal
there and their
I confess to misusing licence and license. Can never recall which is
which so I adopt the american usage and use either interchangeably

But.
cod philosophy
cod latin

why cod?

Always puzzled me.
I have asked a number of graduates in english over the years and none
can tell me. One had Phd and was a rabid pedant over the use of
english and even he couldn't tell me.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-cod2.htm

HTH


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:24:32 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:

Alang wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:54:33 +0000, Rod
wrote:

TheOldFellow wrote:
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in
general, to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar.
For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your
and you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as
follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean
that something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

Didn't you miss yaw and yore?

And who can ignore the "upto" neologism? And its close brethren -
inappropriate use of into, onto and so on.

tow the line.
principle and principal
there and their
I confess to misusing licence and license. Can never recall which is
which so I adopt the american usage and use either interchangeably

But.
cod philosophy
cod latin

why cod?

Always puzzled me.
I have asked a number of graduates in english over the years and none
can tell me. One had Phd and was a rabid pedant over the use of
english and even he couldn't tell me.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-cod2.htm

HTH
A more likely explanation but needs some confirmation

On Dec 10, 7:41*pm, Alang wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:24:32 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"



wrote:
Alang wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:54:33 +0000, Rod
wrote:

TheOldFellow wrote:
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in
general, to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar.
For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your
and you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as
follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean
that something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

Didn't you miss yaw and yore?

And who can ignore the "upto" neologism? And its close brethren -
inappropriate use of into, onto and so on.

tow the line.
principle and principal
there and their
I confess to misusing licence and license. Can never recall which is
which so I adopt the american usage and use either interchangeably

But.
cod philosophy
cod latin

why cod?

Always puzzled me.
I have asked a number of graduates in english over the years and none
can tell me. One had *Phd and was a rabid pedant over the use of
english and even he couldn't tell me.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-cod2.htm

HTH

A more likely explanation but needs some confirmation

Also ties in with the kid/cod link since I've always known it as
kidology.

MBQ

In message , TheOldFellow
writes
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Nothing compared to my ravings when BBC clips confuse bought and
brought.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

On 10 Dec, 09:26, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , TheOldFellow
writes

I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. *For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Nothing compared to my ravings when BBC clips confuse bought and
brought.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

Of course he could of brought it in a shop. Then he might loose it.

Phil wrote:
On 10 Dec, 09:26, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , TheOldFellow
writes

I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:
'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.
Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.
Nothing compared to my ravings when BBC clips confuse bought and
brought.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

Of course he could of brought it in a shop. Then he might loose it.

Painful, that is.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:45:37 -0800 (PST), Phil
wrote:

On 10 Dec, 09:26, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , TheOldFellow
writes

I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. *For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

Nothing compared to my ravings when BBC clips confuse bought and
brought.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

Of course he could of brought it in a shop. Then he might loose it.

There is a phrase my children picked up when we moved here 40 years
ago that still winds me up. It is 'can I lend xxx'. Meaning will you
lend me xxx. Took me years to break them of it because all their
school friends used it.

Tim Lamb wrote:
Nothing compared to my ravings when BBC clips confuse bought and
brought.

Or paid and earned

or bring and take

or voluntary and unpaid

and loads of others, I seem to spend half the news program
talking back to the TV.

--
JGH

In article
s.com, jgharston writes

and loads of others, I seem to spend half the news program
talking back to the TV.

PROGRAMME for the TV, PROGRAM for a computer.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Mike Tomlinson
saying something like:

In article
s.com, jgharston writes

and loads of others, I seem to spend half the news program
talking back to the TV.

PROGRAMME for the TV, PROGRAM for a computer.

Hmm. Who first used the word to describe a set of software instructions?
If it turns out the first user was Yankee, then ok, I can give them
that, but just imagine if the British computing industry had achieved
world domination - it would be a computer programme, iwt.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

Hmm. Who first used the word to describe a set of software
instructions? If it turns out the first user was Yankee, then ok, I
can give them that, but just imagine if the British computing
industry had achieved world domination - it would be a computer
programme, iwt.

We very nearly did.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_...ter+called+leo

What a great book.

With a bit of foresight & some back up from the banking ******s, who knows
what we could have achieved?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
PROGRAMME for the TV, PROGRAM for a computer.
Hmm. Who first used the word to describe a set of software instructions?

I seem to remember British engineers refered to a "schedule of
instructions".
I'll have to dig out my history of Lyon's Teashops.

--
JGH

Tim Lamb wrote:
Nothing compared to my ravings when BBC clips confuse bought and
brought.

Or paid and earned

or bring and take

or voluntary and unpaid

and loads of others, I seem to spend half the news program
talking back to the TV.

--
JGH

"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

"We could of (have) done it" really grates as does "mine is larger then
(than) yours".
There, they're, their seem to cause problems too.

brass monkey wrote:
"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
...
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

"We could of (have) done it" really grates as does "mine is larger then
(than) yours".
There, they're, their seem to cause problems too.



Your/you're is understandable in a way, the former being easier in a
mobile text message. As long as everyone understands the meaning, I
don't really care.
What I object to is the trend towards Orwellian doublespeak. "Strict
guidelines" is particularly spooky.

On 10 Dec, 07:13, TheOldFellow wrote:
I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. *For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

I'm Welsh so have my excuse over any English inaccuracies.

To be honest ... does it matter, this is a DIY site, and as long as
the text conveys the general gist of the meaning, and all can
understand ... it hardly matters ?

We even have totally different words for things depending on
geographic areas .... (noggins, dwangs etc) ... a stray or
misplaced apostrophe is not that important.


Some people thrive in finding fault in the work of others, please
consider any errors in my posts put there specifically for that
purpose.

On 10 Dec, 11:11, Osprey wrote:
On 10 Dec, 07:13, TheOldFellow wrote:

I note an exasperating trend on this list, and on t'internet in general,
to personal reinvention of English spelling and grammar. *For
instance: the Whitworth spellings for the various flavours of 'your and
you're' (as opposed to the UNF or Metric, of course) are as follows:

'You're' means 'you are', 'your' never ever means that.
'Your' is a possessive pronoun, and can only be used when you mean that
something belongs to 'you'.

Do try and get it right folks, as the grating sounds of the
crossed-threads in my brain are getting irritating.

R.

I'm Welsh so have my excuse over any English inaccuracies.

To be honest ... does it matter, this is a DIY site, and as long as
the text conveys the general gist of the meaning, and all can
understand ... it hardly matters ?

We even have totally different words for *things depending on
geographic areas .... *(noggins, dwangs *etc) * ... a stray or
misplaced apostrophe is not that important.

Some people thrive in finding fault in the work of others, please
consider any errors in my posts put there specifically for that
purpose.

I'm not a pedant and I'm certainly not suggesting that this thread
comes out of pedancy, but one thing I consider applies to all
dedicated DIY'ers is that they are usually people who have an eye for
quality and like to do things so that they look good and last.

Personally if someone writes in with a badly worded/spelt/grammarised
posting, I very quickly start to get annoyed by it and in the end will
usually end up considering it a load of trash. The quality of your
advice comes through in how well you dispense it and that includes
going through your posting and checking the spelling, etc.

Rob (having gone through this and found several errors)