Hi all

The last job to complete my new kitchen is to fix the soft closers to the
doors and incredibly this is proving to be the most demanding task in the
whole project

It's a Wickes kitchen and uses the Blum Blumotion Clip-On softclosers and as
far as I can see they should simply push onto the hinge, however out of the
40 or so I've got to do I've only managed 3 ! No matter how hard I push
the things won't click into place.

Am I doing something wrong or is there some mthyical zen technique that I
need to master to get this done.

Cheers

Jim

Jim wrote:
Hi all

The last job to complete my new kitchen is to fix the soft closers to the
doors and incredibly this is proving to be the most demanding task in the
whole project

It's a Wickes kitchen and uses the Blum Blumotion Clip-On softclosers and as
far as I can see they should simply push onto the hinge, however out of the
40 or so I've got to do I've only managed 3 ! No matter how hard I push
the things won't click into place.

Am I doing something wrong or is there some mthyical zen technique that I
need to master to get this done.

Cheers

Jim


Are you sure the hinges and soft-closers match? My Wickes cabinets have
another make of hinge - and Blumotion closers would not fit. And there
are quite a few different Blumotion closer models.

When I used Blum hinges and closers on other cabinets I made, no
problem. Just align, and sort of push/press and suddenly it is done.
Removal similar - sort of pulling technique. Try doing it with a hinge
not fitted - might just make it clearer what is needed.

Maybe looking here would help:

http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka09...090-KP-002.pdf

(Page 116 onwards.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

Jim wrote:
Hi all

The last job to complete my new kitchen is to fix the soft closers to
the doors and incredibly this is proving to be the most demanding
task in the whole project

It's a Wickes kitchen and uses the Blum Blumotion Clip-On softclosers
and as far as I can see they should simply push onto the hinge,
however out of the 40 or so I've got to do I've only managed 3 ! No
matter how hard I push the things won't click into place.

Am I doing something wrong or is there some mthyical zen technique
that I need to master to get this done.

You must become the hinge Grasshopper....


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Are you sure the hinges and soft-closers match? My Wickes cabinets have
another make of hinge - and Blumotion closers would not fit. And there are
quite a few different Blumotion closer models.

When I used Blum hinges and closers on other cabinets I made, no problem.
Just align, and sort of push/press and suddenly it is done. Removal
similar - sort of pulling technique. Try doing it with a hinge not
fitted - might just make it clearer what is needed.

Maybe looking here would help:

http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka09...090-KP-002.pdf

(Page 116 onwards.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

Hi

Thanks for the input

Hopefully the hinges and closers should match, they were in the bags with
each other and the hinges are stamped with the Blum logo

The 3 that did go together went in easily so am confused as to what the
issue is with the rest.

I had already looked at the Blum catalogue which was as helpful as most sets
of instructions Instalation is covered by the one picture, again which
would imply that it should be simple.

I'll try again tomorrow after my arm has rested from the stress of futilely
pressing bits of metal against each other.

Cheers

Jim

"Jim" wrote in message
...

Are you sure the hinges and soft-closers match? My Wickes cabinets have
another make of hinge - and Blumotion closers would not fit. And there
are
quite a few different Blumotion closer models.

When I used Blum hinges and closers on other cabinets I made, no
problem.
Just align, and sort of push/press and suddenly it is done. Removal
similar - sort of pulling technique. Try doing it with a hinge not
fitted - might just make it clearer what is needed.

Maybe looking here would help:

http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka09...090-KP-002.pdf

(Page 116 onwards.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

Hi

Thanks for the input

Hopefully the hinges and closers should match, they were in the bags with
each other and the hinges are stamped with the Blum logo

The 3 that did go together went in easily so am confused as to what the
issue is with the rest.

I had already looked at the Blum catalogue which was as helpful as most
sets
of instructions Instalation is covered by the one picture, again
which
would imply that it should be simple.

I'll try again tomorrow after my arm has rested from the stress of
futilely
pressing bits of metal against each other.

Cheers

Jim

The only options I can see on the Blumotion website are the two adapters
plates which screw on to the hinge. Like these
http://www.bullerltd.co.uk/product/2..._plate__37_32_
and the other option in the menu at the bottom of the page.

Are yours like these ones?

"BigWallop" wrote in message
om...

"Jim" wrote in message
...

Are you sure the hinges and soft-closers match? My Wickes cabinets
have
another make of hinge - and Blumotion closers would not fit. And there
are
quite a few different Blumotion closer models.

When I used Blum hinges and closers on other cabinets I made, no
problem.
Just align, and sort of push/press and suddenly it is done. Removal
similar - sort of pulling technique. Try doing it with a hinge not
fitted - might just make it clearer what is needed.

Maybe looking here would help:

http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka09...090-KP-002.pdf

(Page 116 onwards.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

Hi

Thanks for the input

Hopefully the hinges and closers should match, they were in the bags
with
each other and the hinges are stamped with the Blum logo

The 3 that did go together went in easily so am confused as to what the
issue is with the rest.

I had already looked at the Blum catalogue which was as helpful as most
sets
of instructions Instalation is covered by the one picture, again
which
would imply that it should be simple.

I'll try again tomorrow after my arm has rested from the stress of
futilely
pressing bits of metal against each other.

Cheers

Jim

The only options I can see on the Blumotion website are the two adapters
plates which screw on to the hinge. Like these

http://www.bullerltd.co.uk/product/2..._plate__37_32_
and the other option in the menu at the bottom of the page.

Are yours like these ones?


I'm glad I read that back. I mean they screw on to the edge of the
cupboard, between the hinges. (me being silly, again) :-)

BigWallop wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Are you sure the hinges and soft-closers match? My Wickes cabinets have
another make of hinge - and Blumotion closers would not fit. And there
are
quite a few different Blumotion closer models.

When I used Blum hinges and closers on other cabinets I made, no
problem.
Just align, and sort of push/press and suddenly it is done. Removal
similar - sort of pulling technique. Try doing it with a hinge not
fitted - might just make it clearer what is needed.

Maybe looking here would help:

http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka09...090-KP-002.pdf

(Page 116 onwards.)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org
Hi

Thanks for the input

Hopefully the hinges and closers should match, they were in the bags with
each other and the hinges are stamped with the Blum logo

The 3 that did go together went in easily so am confused as to what the
issue is with the rest.

I had already looked at the Blum catalogue which was as helpful as most
sets
of instructions Instalation is covered by the one picture, again
which
would imply that it should be simple.

I'll try again tomorrow after my arm has rested from the stress of
futilely
pressing bits of metal against each other.

Cheers

Jim

The only options I can see on the Blumotion website are the two adapters
plates which screw on to the hinge. Like these
http://www.bullerltd.co.uk/product/2..._plate__37_32_
and the other option in the menu at the bottom of the page.

Are yours like these ones?



Blum do cruciform plate versions but I assumed that OP is referring to
the ones with little bits that clip/click into place in a hole on the
main part of the hinge.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
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The only options I can see on the Blumotion website are the two adapters
plates which screw on to the hinge. Like these

http://www.bullerltd.co.uk/product/2..._plate__37_32_
and the other option in the menu at the bottom of the page.

Are yours like these ones?



Blum do cruciform plate versions but I assumed that OP is referring to
the ones with little bits that clip/click into place in a hole on the
main part of the hinge.

Rod


The only clip in ones I've seen are for the drawer runners. Having them
integrate with the door hinge is a new on me.

Further searching brings up these
http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/image/pro...l/973A0600.jpg which are
retro fit dampers for existing Blum Hinges. There are three types. One has
a hook shape on its belly to fit inside the gap between the arm and the body
of the hinge, and clips back with a spring clip over the inside end of the
hinge body.

One other has slide runners on it. This looks like it slides into grooves
on the side of the body of the hinge.

The final one is a weird shape, with a long looking slide through that seems
to fit right through the body of the hinge and the body of the damper.

So it depends on which system Jim is using.

BigWallop wrote:
"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
snipped
The only options I can see on the Blumotion website are the two adapters
plates which screw on to the hinge. Like these

http://www.bullerltd.co.uk/product/2..._plate__37_32_
and the other option in the menu at the bottom of the page.

Are yours like these ones?



Blum do cruciform plate versions but I assumed that OP is referring to
the ones with little bits that clip/click into place in a hole on the
main part of the hinge.

Rod


The only clip in ones I've seen are for the drawer runners. Having them
integrate with the door hinge is a new on me.

Further searching brings up these
http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/image/pro...l/973A0600.jpg which are
retro fit dampers for existing Blum Hinges. There are three types. One has
a hook shape on its belly to fit inside the gap between the arm and the body
of the hinge, and clips back with a spring clip over the inside end of the
hinge body.

One other has slide runners on it. This looks like it slides into grooves
on the side of the body of the hinge.

The final one is a weird shape, with a long looking slide through that seems
to fit right through the body of the hinge and the body of the damper.

So it depends on which system Jim is using.



Whoops - I typed 116 in my first post, finger trouble, should have been
166. Drat.

I think OP was talking about 973A type with hook bits - probably 973A0500.01

http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka090_en/02/KA090-KP-002.pdf

And I have to say they work very well.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
snipped
The only options I can see on the Blumotion website are the two
adapters
plates which screw on to the hinge. Like these


http://www.bullerltd.co.uk/product/2..._plate__37_32_
and the other option in the menu at the bottom of the page.

Are yours like these ones?



Blum do cruciform plate versions but I assumed that OP is referring to
the ones with little bits that clip/click into place in a hole on the
main part of the hinge.

Rod


The only clip in ones I've seen are for the drawer runners. Having them
integrate with the door hinge is a new on me.

Further searching brings up these
http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/image/pro...l/973A0600.jpg which
are
retro fit dampers for existing Blum Hinges. There are three types. One
has
a hook shape on its belly to fit inside the gap between the arm and the
body
of the hinge, and clips back with a spring clip over the inside end of
the
hinge body.

One other has slide runners on it. This looks like it slides into
grooves
on the side of the body of the hinge.

The final one is a weird shape, with a long looking slide through that
seems
to fit right through the body of the hinge and the body of the damper.

So it depends on which system Jim is using.



Whoops - I typed 116 in my first post, finger trouble, should have been
166. Drat.

I think OP was talking about 973A type with hook bits - probably
973A0500.01

http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka090_en/02/KA090-KP-002.pdf

And I have to say they work very well.

Rod


Ah Ha!!! Now I see them properly. Thanks for the PDF. Very helpful.

Still looks a difficult job, so I think Jim deserves his rest. :-) Poor
man has done enough for today. lol

Thanks again for the reading material. It looks like a good system. Do
they last the pace in a busy kitchen, do you think?

BigWallop wrote:
"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
snipped
The only options I can see on the Blumotion website are the two
adapters
plates which screw on to the hinge. Like these

http://www.bullerltd.co.uk/product/2..._plate__37_32_
and the other option in the menu at the bottom of the page.

Are yours like these ones?



Blum do cruciform plate versions but I assumed that OP is referring to
the ones with little bits that clip/click into place in a hole on the
main part of the hinge.

Rod

The only clip in ones I've seen are for the drawer runners. Having them
integrate with the door hinge is a new on me.

Further searching brings up these
http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/image/pro...l/973A0600.jpg which
are
retro fit dampers for existing Blum Hinges. There are three types. One
has
a hook shape on its belly to fit inside the gap between the arm and the
body
of the hinge, and clips back with a spring clip over the inside end of
the
hinge body.

One other has slide runners on it. This looks like it slides into
grooves
on the side of the body of the hinge.

The final one is a weird shape, with a long looking slide through that
seems
to fit right through the body of the hinge and the body of the damper.

So it depends on which system Jim is using.



Whoops - I typed 116 in my first post, finger trouble, should have been
166. Drat.

I think OP was talking about 973A type with hook bits - probably
973A0500.01
http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka090_en/02/KA090-KP-002.pdf

And I have to say they work very well.

Rod


Ah Ha!!! Now I see them properly. Thanks for the PDF. Very helpful.

Still looks a difficult job, so I think Jim deserves his rest. :-) Poor
man has done enough for today. lol

Thanks again for the reading material. It looks like a good system. Do
they last the pace in a busy kitchen, do you think?


Mine are fitted in cabinets not in my kitchen (our kitchen hinges are
not Blum) - but I suggest they would likely last longer than the cabinets.

(And I would buy them from Isaac Lord - being almost able to see their
shop from home!)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Jim wrote:
Hi all

The last job to complete my new kitchen is to fix the soft closers to
the doors and incredibly this is proving to be the most demanding
task in the whole project

It's a Wickes kitchen and uses the Blum Blumotion Clip-On softclosers
and as far as I can see they should simply push onto the hinge,
however out of the 40 or so I've got to do I've only managed 3 ! No
matter how hard I push the things won't click into place.

Am I doing something wrong or is there some mthyical zen technique
that I need to master to get this done.

You must become the hinge Grasshopper....


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk


Think you've hit the nail on the head Dave - it's all in the wrist

Just been playing about with them again and have cracked the technique. The
rear of the fitting has a couple of hooks which look like you have to clip
in place and the front has a springy bit which I assumed you pressed against
and this snapped into the whole and locked evrything tight. However you
need to locate the front of the closer first and then snap the back into
place. This is totally the opposite to what I had been doing. They're going
in a treat now so the kitchen will finally be completed tomorrow!

Thanks to all for the advice and suggestions

Jim

Jim wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Jim wrote:
Hi all

The last job to complete my new kitchen is to fix the soft closers to
the doors and incredibly this is proving to be the most demanding
task in the whole project

It's a Wickes kitchen and uses the Blum Blumotion Clip-On softclosers
and as far as I can see they should simply push onto the hinge,
however out of the 40 or so I've got to do I've only managed 3 ! No
matter how hard I push the things won't click into place.

Am I doing something wrong or is there some mthyical zen technique
that I need to master to get this done.
You must become the hinge Grasshopper....


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk


Think you've hit the nail on the head Dave - it's all in the wrist

Just been playing about with them again and have cracked the technique. The
rear of the fitting has a couple of hooks which look like you have to clip
in place and the front has a springy bit which I assumed you pressed against
and this snapped into the whole and locked evrything tight. However you
need to locate the front of the closer first and then snap the back into
place. This is totally the opposite to what I had been doing. They're going
in a treat now so the kitchen will finally be completed tomorrow!

Thanks to all for the advice and suggestions

Jim


Phew!!!!

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:
snipped
The only options I can see on the Blumotion website are the two
adapters
plates which screw on to the hinge. Like these


http://www.bullerltd.co.uk/product/2..._plate__37_32_
and the other option in the menu at the bottom of the page.

Are yours like these ones?



Blum do cruciform plate versions but I assumed that OP is referring
to
the ones with little bits that clip/click into place in a hole on the
main part of the hinge.

Rod

The only clip in ones I've seen are for the drawer runners. Having
them
integrate with the door hinge is a new on me.

Further searching brings up these
http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/image/pro...l/973A0600.jpg
which
are
retro fit dampers for existing Blum Hinges. There are three types.
One
has
a hook shape on its belly to fit inside the gap between the arm and
the
body
of the hinge, and clips back with a spring clip over the inside end of
the
hinge body.

One other has slide runners on it. This looks like it slides into
grooves
on the side of the body of the hinge.

The final one is a weird shape, with a long looking slide through that
seems
to fit right through the body of the hinge and the body of the damper.

So it depends on which system Jim is using.



Whoops - I typed 116 in my first post, finger trouble, should have been
166. Drat.

I think OP was talking about 973A type with hook bits - probably
973A0500.01
http://www.blum.com/pdf/katalog/ka090_en/02/KA090-KP-002.pdf

And I have to say they work very well.

Rod


Ah Ha!!! Now I see them properly. Thanks for the PDF. Very helpful.

Still looks a difficult job, so I think Jim deserves his rest. :-)
Poor
man has done enough for today. lol

Thanks again for the reading material. It looks like a good system. Do
they last the pace in a busy kitchen, do you think?


Mine are fitted in cabinets not in my kitchen (our kitchen hinges are
not Blum) - but I suggest they would likely last longer than the cabinets.

(And I would buy them from Isaac Lord - being almost able to see their
shop from home!)

Rod


The rest of the hinge looks pretty standard, so is it possible to change all
the hinges on any cupboard doors with these Blumotion type? Changing the
holes for the recesses isn't a worry mind, so we would like to change ours
over to soft closers. All we have now is a rubber stud to stop the doors
slamming.

Isaac Lord looks good on price, so was thinking of putting in an order.

BigWallop wrote:

The rest of the hinge looks pretty standard, so is it possible to change all
the hinges on any cupboard doors with these Blumotion type? Changing the
holes for the recesses isn't a worry mind, so we would like to change ours
over to soft closers. All we have now is a rubber stud to stop the doors
slamming.

Isaac Lord looks good on price, so was thinking of putting in an order.



Can't think of any problems beyond the obvious (screw and recess hole
locations). Unless you have odd angles of door opening, etc. - but there
will be a suitable Blum hinge.

If you will need new holes, I highly recommend the template:

Blum Mounting Plate Template

For use with Clip Top, Clip & Modul mounting plates €¢ (See mounting
plate sections for relevant applications)

Stockcode: 65.5300

http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/productDetail.aspx?product=3113&subCat=000

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

"Rod" wrote in message
...
BigWallop wrote:

The rest of the hinge looks pretty standard, so is it possible to change
all
the hinges on any cupboard doors with these Blumotion type? Changing
the
holes for the recesses isn't a worry mind, so we would like to change
ours
over to soft closers. All we have now is a rubber stud to stop the
doors
slamming.

Isaac Lord looks good on price, so was thinking of putting in an order.



Can't think of any problems beyond the obvious (screw and recess hole
locations). Unless you have odd angles of door opening, etc. - but there
will be a suitable Blum hinge.

If you will need new holes, I highly recommend the template:

Blum Mounting Plate Template

For use with Clip Top, Clip & Modul mounting plates . (See mounting
plate sections for relevant applications)

Stockcode: 65.5300

http://www.isaaclord.co.uk/productDetail.aspx?product=3113&subCat=000

Rod


Order is now done. Not to bad at just over 78 quid, for everything we need.
Should spruce up our old kitchen units. Keep her indoors happy for
Christmas. Just finished making all the new doors last spring time, so
this'll just make them a bit more posh. :-)

Thanks guys. Very helpful thread this has been.