3 storey house, top floor rads stone cold, as are pipes in and out.
The feed-and-expansion is working fine, pressure is 1.5 bar in the
system, no bleeding necessary. Only 1 rad on ground floor, 3 on middle
2 on top - botoom two fllors rads are working fine.

Is this just a question of balancing? Boiler is powerful, new
condenser fitted two years ago.

It's getting cold.... any suggestions? Thanks.

G

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3 storey house, top floor rads stone cold, as are pipes in and out.
The feed-and-expansion is working fine, pressure is 1.5 bar in the
system, no bleeding necessary. Only 1 rad on ground floor, 3 on middle
2 on top - botoom two fllors rads are working fine.

Is this just a question of balancing? Boiler is powerful, new
condenser fitted two years ago.

It's getting cold.... any suggestions? Thanks.

G


It does sound as though the bottom floors are taking priority over the rest
of the system, so a bit of balancing out might be a good idea. But.

Is the pump running properly?

How far above the top floor rads' is the header tank?

Where has the pump been situated?

Do you know if the top floor has a separate pipe run directly from the pump?

We would really need to know more about the whole system before we can give
any sort advice that may help.

You could try and close off the bottom floor rads' and see if the top floor
gets hot. If they do, then the system might be salvaged by getting the
valves in a position that keeps a balance throughout. But a bit more info'
if you can, please.

wrote:
3 storey house, top floor rads stone cold, as are pipes in and out.
The feed-and-expansion is working fine, pressure is 1.5 bar in the
system, no bleeding necessary. Only 1 rad on ground floor, 3 on middle
2 on top - botoom two fllors rads are working fine.

Is this just a question of balancing? Boiler is powerful, new
condenser fitted two years ago.

It's getting cold.... any suggestions? Thanks.

G
May have a complete airlock.


Try turning off all rads completely except one upstairs, and running
pump flat out.

That may be enough to push air out of pipes into rads where it can be bled.

On Nov 1, 5:14*am, wrote:
3 storey house, top floor rads stone cold, as are pipes in and out.
The feed-and-expansion is working fine, pressure is 1.5 bar in the
system, no bleeding necessary. Only 1 rad on ground floor, 3 on middle
2 on top - botoom two fllors rads are working fine.

Is this just a question of balancing? Boiler is powerful, new
condenser fitted two years ago.

It's getting cold.... any suggestions? *Thanks.

G
s
You did bleed at radiator top, with pump off, so you know air is out
of radiators, how old is pump, it does actualy pump and run, check
level of horizontal pipes , maybe house has settled and there is air
lock somewhere, was it working in previous years. What is pressure

I did this, more air than I have ever seen in a radiator came out,
both radiators working. Thanks very much to you, you just saved me an
engineer callout.



May have a complete airlock.

Try turning off all rads completely except one upstairs, and running
pump flat out.

That may be enough to push air out of pipes into rads where it can be bled.

"ransley" wrote in message
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On Nov 1, 5:14 am, wrote:
3 storey house, top floor rads stone cold, as are pipes in and out.
The feed-and-expansion is working fine, pressure is 1.5 bar in the
system, no bleeding necessary. Only 1 rad on ground floor, 3 on middle
2 on top - botoom two fllors rads are working fine.

Is this just a question of balancing? Boiler is powerful, new
condenser fitted two years ago.

It's getting cold.... any suggestions? Thanks.

G
s
You did bleed at radiator top, with pump off, so you know air is out
of radiators, how old is pump, it does actualy pump and run, check
level of horizontal pipes , maybe house has settled and there is air
lock somewhere, was it working in previous years. What is pressure

A lesson to others - the pressure gauge is no indication that there isn't
air in the system

In article
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wrote:
3 storey house, top floor rads stone cold, as are pipes in and out.
The feed-and-expansion is working fine, pressure is 1.5 bar in the
system, no bleeding necessary. Only 1 rad on ground floor, 3 on middle
2 on top - botoom two fllors rads are working fine.

Is this just a question of balancing? Boiler is powerful, new
condenser fitted two years ago.

It's getting cold.... any suggestions? Thanks.

Two years with the system not working properly - or is there something
you're not telling us?

Assuming it's a basic system with no zoning start by doing a rough
balance job. Close down all the pre-set lockshields fully and open 3/4 of
a turn. See if that sorts it. If so, then do an accurate balance - details
in the FAQ.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Nov 1, 7:50*am, wrote:
I did this, more air than I have ever seen in a radiator came out,
both radiators working. Thanks very much to you, you just saved me an
engineer callout.





May have a complete airlock.

Try turning off all rads completely except one upstairs, and running
pump flat out.

That may be enough to push air out of pipes into rads where it can be bled.- Hide quoted text -

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After air is out water level is lower you may need to add water but
maybe not, reblead radiators, all of them. You should have all water
when boiler is cold at room temp and off, forget the pressure gauge
for whats needed, I am supposed to have 30ft or 30 lb to go 30ft up
but I need 15lb, [im US] and its accurate. When boiler is room temp-
cold see if water or air comes out, if nothing turn on boiler and
quickly go to highest radiator and bleed again, then bleed all of
them, if there is air pressure is likely low. If water is low heat-
water will not stay in highest radiator, so maybe you are low on water
but only fill a COLD boiler and do it at 15 second fills and recheck
highest radiator later. To much water is harder on a boilers pressure
and life, to little and top floor gets no heat. Constantly needing to
fill means a leak somewhere. Eventualy you will know what pressure is
correct. For uneven heat lower Aquastat temp so pump runs more and
boiler runs at lower temp. What is Aquastat set at. Most condensing
units reach full efficency at near 110f and loose 5% near 150f. Yea
here we drive on the other side of the road, use Farenhite, don`t
mandate condensing heating or anything that saves energy and it goes
to -30f+. Here nobody uses tankless WH and CFLs most dont use.

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3 storey house, top floor rads stone cold, as are pipes in and out.
The feed-and-expansion is working fine, pressure is 1.5 bar in the
system, no bleeding necessary. Only 1 rad on ground floor, 3 on middle
2 on top - botoom two fllors rads are working fine.

Not sure I follow - you mention pressure in the system - this suggests a
sealed system[1], but then also talk about a "feed and expansion" (I
presume tank). What sort of system have you actually got?


[1] http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

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John.

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wrote:
I did this, more air than I have ever seen in a radiator came out,
both radiators working. Thanks very much to you, you just saved me an
engineer callout.


May have a complete airlock.

Try turning off all rads completely except one upstairs, and running
pump flat out.

That may be enough to push air out of pipes into rads where it can be bled.

My bill is in the post ;-)