I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

On 29 Oct, 16:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

Record. There is no other make. I recommend the "Trading Post" in
Wells, which always seems to have a few in the 30 - 50 quid range.

Ian

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:06:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

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It depends on what you want it for. There's quite a good range at
Machinemart - better still if you can get to a local branch to inspect
and save carriage:

www.machinemart.co.uk

Cic.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?


I have a (Irwin) Record 74 vice which has a swivel base, which I have found
quite usefull..

The vice certainly predates the Internet and would appear to be no longer
available, although Irwin do sell vices with swivel bases.


--
Michael Chare

The Natural Philosopher was thinking very hard :
I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Record.
Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

That will depend on the type and size.

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The Real Doctor writes:
On 29 Oct, 16:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

Record. There is no other make.

Agreed, but weren't they bought and closed down by Irwin
some years ago now? I've bought a few nice Record tools
over the years including a vice, but alas no more.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

For wood or metal, and what capacity?
Regardless, Record is the way to go.

Local papers, local auctions, car boot sales are all a good source. Ebay?
Record built these things in their millions.
A local tech college refurbished their wood & metal working rooms a few
years back, in the name of elfen safety.
I was fortunate enough to buy 10 each of 6" capacity Record wood &
metalworking vices. Like new, and at the princely sum of £2ea.
Some quick release. None swivel mounted, but I would have no use for this.
Unfortunately the superb hardwood woodworking benches were smashed to bits
and put in a skip.
Replaced with absolute crap which bore the correct labels. I understand that
the same facility has this year replaced all again.
'kin waste of money. I suppose just another way for this gov and its
european masters to grind this country into the dust.
Perhaps an underspend on budget with a use-it-or lose-it strategy.
Nevertheless, a pointless and mindless waste of time and money.
My apologies for ranting

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

You won't believe this, but Aldi does things like this, I saw one a few
months ago. Trouble is, you have to check weekly to see if they're doing
it.

s.

Ray wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

For wood or metal, and what capacity?
Regardless, Record is the way to go.

Local papers, local auctions, car boot sales are all a good source. Ebay?
Record built these things in their millions.
A local tech college refurbished their wood & metal working rooms a few
years back, in the name of elfen safety.
I was fortunate enough to buy 10 each of 6" capacity Record wood &
metalworking vices. Like new, and at the princely sum of £2ea.
Some quick release. None swivel mounted, but I would have no use for this.
Unfortunately the superb hardwood woodworking benches were smashed to bits
and put in a skip.
Replaced with absolute crap which bore the correct labels. I understand that
the same facility has this year replaced all again.
'kin waste of money. I suppose just another way for this gov and its
european masters to grind this country into the dust.
Perhaps an underspend on budget with a use-it-or lose-it strategy.
Nevertheless, a pointless and mindless waste of time and money.
My apologies for ranting


Thanks for all the replys.

These things go for serious money new. I was surprised.

The sort that looked rally GOOD were in in the £100+ mark..

I think the car boot sale is the obvious answer..

someone formulated the question :
You won't believe this, but Aldi does things like this, I saw one a few
months ago. Trouble is, you have to check weekly to see if they're doing
it.

They were very lightweight vices - clamp on or stick on with suckers.

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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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someone formulated the question :
You won't believe this, but Aldi does things like this, I saw one a few
months ago. Trouble is, you have to check weekly to see if they're
doing it.

They were very lightweight vices - clamp on or stick on with suckers.

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Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk




No,he means the proper bench vices were sold at Aldi/Lidl.

On Oct 30, 2:24 pm, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

They were very lightweight vices - clamp on or stick on with suckers.


No, they have also done 'serious' iron vices a few times over the last
year - about £8.99 IIRC. I don't think the quality of the casting/
finish/screw thread compared to a Record et.al. of old though.

J^n

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message

Thanks for all the replys.

These things go for serious money new. I was surprised.

The sort that looked rally GOOD were in in the £100+ mark..

I think the car boot sale is the obvious answer..




Few and far between in car booty's ebays your best bet.
Plenty of em on there ranging fro £12 to £100.
Personally a Vice is a vice and doesn't really matter who made it as it has
no real mechanical parts except the wormgear bolt.

On 29 Oct, 16:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

Czech ones from Axminster. Some nice swivel ones, if you need it.

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 29 Oct, 16:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

Czech ones from Axminster. Some nice swivel ones, if you need it.

Gotta URL for that?

Rather far away to drive...

On 29 Oct, 16:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

what's wrong about other makes? I dont know diddly 'bout vices.


NT

As everyone else has said, get Record.

Lots on ebay:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_t...kw=record+vice

I remember being shown round the Record Ridgeway factory in Sheffield
in the early 1980's, and seeing their new production facility for
casting the vice bodies.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I trawled all over town looking for one. Nowhere to be found.

Where to get one? what's good? how much? Online?

Woodworkers vice? Mechanics vice? Miami voce?

Screwfix have many vices .....

http://tinyurl.com/5sg2fr


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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "George"
saying something like:

Personally a Vice is a vice and doesn't really matter who made it as it has
no real mechanical parts except the wormgear bolt.

You're kidding, right?

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "George"
saying something like:

Personally a Vice is a vice and doesn't really matter who made it as it
has
no real mechanical parts except the wormgear bolt.

You're kidding, right?

Er! no,so long as it does what its supposed to do thats all that matters.

Its vice not a piece of machinery,it sole purpose is to clamp whatever you
put in it.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:05:24 GMT, "George"
wrote:


"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "George"
saying something like:

Personally a Vice is a vice and doesn't really matter who made it as it
has
no real mechanical parts except the wormgear bolt.

You're kidding, right?

Er! no,so long as it does what its supposed to do thats all that matters.

Its vice not a piece of machinery,it sole purpose is to clamp whatever you
put in it.

It IS a piece of machinery. Apart from the screw, you have the nut (or
half-nut), the release mechanism if it's a half-nut, the guide through
which the moving jaw passes through the fixed one, and, very
importantly, the jaws themselves.

For serious work a swivel-head vice is pretty naff. By all means have
a separate vice for fancy work, but you can't beat a proper machine
attached to your bench with three bolts (correctly, so that the fixed
jaw is slighly proud of the front of the bench to enable you to hold a
length of metal vertically to file or whatever the end of it).

I have a Record 4" bench vice (a number 2?) which I got as a birthday
present about 48 years ago... and it's still going strong.

(I've developed other vices since then!)

--
Frank Erskine

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:05:24 GMT, "George"
wrote:


"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "George"

saying something like:

Personally a Vice is a vice and doesn't really matter who made it
as it
has
no real mechanical parts except the wormgear bolt.

You're kidding, right?

Er! no,so long as it does what its supposed to do thats all that
matters.

Its vice not a piece of machinery,it sole purpose is to clamp
whatever you
put in it.

It IS a piece of machinery. Apart from the screw, you have the nut
(or
half-nut), the release mechanism if it's a half-nut, the guide
through
which the moving jaw passes through the fixed one, and, very
importantly, the jaws themselves.

For serious work a swivel-head vice is pretty naff. By all means
have
a separate vice for fancy work, but you can't beat a proper machine
attached to your bench with three bolts (correctly, so that the
fixed
jaw is slighly proud of the front of the bench to enable you to hold
a
length of metal vertically to file or whatever the end of it).

I have a Record 4" bench vice (a number 2?) which I got as a
birthday
present about 48 years ago... and it's still going strong.

(I've developed other vices since then!)

--
Frank Erskine

I am still using the Record No 3 vice that I bought with the first
weeks wages I ever earned in a holiday job I had as a student - and
that was 38 years ago!

There are some rubbish vices out there made from inappropriate
materials. A few years back India turned out copies of Record vices
but I think they used toffee for the main screw - useless!

AWEM

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As everyone else has said, get Record.

Lots on ebay:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_t...kw=record+vice

I remember being shown round the Record Ridgeway factory in Sheffield
in the early 1980's, and seeing their new production facility for
casting the vice bodies.

The Chinese seem to do very well with their vices. I have one which is as
good as a Record in doing the job. The external finish isn't as pretty and
it doesn't have a quick release but these are minor quibbles.

As Record is now owned by Newell Rubbermaid, who knows where their vices
come from!


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Bob Mannix
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Bob Mannix wrote:
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As everyone else has said, get Record.

Lots on ebay:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_t...kw=record+vice

I remember being shown round the Record Ridgeway factory in Sheffield
in the early 1980's, and seeing their new production facility for
casting the vice bodies.

The Chinese seem to do very well with their vices. I have one which is as
good as a Record in doing the job. The external finish isn't as pretty and
it doesn't have a quick release but these are minor quibbles.

As Record is now owned by Newell Rubbermaid, who knows where their vices
come from!


Or what they are made from!

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The Chinese seem to do very well with their vices. I have one which is as
good as a Record in doing the job. The external finish isn't as pretty and
it doesn't have a quick release but these are minor quibbles.

As Record is now owned by Newell Rubbermaid, who knows where their vices
come from!

As others have said, it depends what you need to do with it. I haven't
found an equal to Record's when you need a lot of clout - e.g. using
it press-out reluctant bushes. The only time I've seen them damaged is
the handle shaft bent - usually by slipping a pipe over for extra
leverage, or by hammering on the shaft.

That suggests the handle is sized to bend beyond the force a person
can normally exert, and before any other part gets damaged (I think
some vices have a shear pin somewhere too?).

I'd guess you can chip the casting by striking it hard enough, but I
also haven't seen that sort of damage.

No idea what their manufacturing quality is like now, but there's an
abundance of good secondhand anyway.

I do have some new (last year) Record sash cramps, and (surprisingly)
they are the equal of the old 1970's ones. The old 1970's ones would
have been produced at the Ridgeway factory alongside the vices - no
idea if they have any production there still.

Incidentally I had a count up - I have 7 Record vices in all, 2
engineers, 2 joiners, & 3 floorboard vices - one being my dad's
throughout his working lifetime as a toolmaker - worn but, but by no
means worn-out.

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"Bob Mannix" writes:

wrote in message
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As everyone else has said, get Record.

Lots on ebay:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_t...kw=record+vice

I remember being shown round the Record Ridgeway factory in Sheffield
in the early 1980's, and seeing their new production facility for
casting the vice bodies.

The Chinese seem to do very well with their vices. I have one which is as
good as a Record in doing the job. The external finish isn't as pretty and
it doesn't have a quick release but these are minor quibbles.

As Record is now owned by Newell Rubbermaid, who knows where their vices
come from!

Are you sure you got the right meaning of vices?

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Bob Mannix" wrote:

As Record is now owned by Newell Rubbermaid, who knows where their vices
come from!


The word "Rubbermaid" suggests some sort of experience with vices. ;-)

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Bob Mannix wrote:
wrote in message
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As everyone else has said, get Record.

Lots on ebay:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_t...kw=record+vice

I remember being shown round the Record Ridgeway factory in Sheffield
in the early 1980's, and seeing their new production facility for
casting the vice bodies.
The Chinese seem to do very well with their vices. I have one which
is as good as a Record in doing the job. The external finish isn't as
pretty and it doesn't have a quick release but these are minor quibbles.
As Record is now owned by Newell Rubbermaid, who knows where their
vices come from!

Or what they are made from!

or whether you get whiplash


--
geoff

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "George"
saying something like:

Personally a Vice is a vice and doesn't really matter who made it as it
has
no real mechanical parts except the wormgear bolt.

You're kidding, right?

Er! no,so long as it does what its supposed to do thats all that matters.

Its vice not a piece of machinery,it sole purpose is to clamp whatever you
put in it.

Seriously, try a good one and you'll never want to use cheap ****ty ones
again.

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from "Bob Mannix" contains these words:

As Record is now owned by Newell Rubbermaid, who knows where their vices
come from!


Who knows? But we'll very soon find out what their attitude to quality
control problems is.

I've been speaking to their Customer Service Dept. today about a 3"
worshop vice on which the pivot pin on the swivel base has fractured.
Looks as if the cast iron on the base is of a very coarse crystalline
structure and far from fit for the job. They've asked me to pack it up
and they'll arrange for it to be collected and examined.

I'll let the list know the outcome, one way or another. Not quite sure
how old the vice is -- perhaps six or seven years, and there's no way
it's been abused.