It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used to
be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't the
hoses get pointed in the right places.

"John" wrote in message
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It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used
to be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't
the hoses get pointed in the right places.

What's your baseline date for when fire fighting was 'good' ?

In message , John
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It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used to
be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't the
hoses get pointed in the right places.


Can't get the staff these days - they are all doing media degrees

--
geoff

John wrote:
It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used to
be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't the
hoses get pointed in the right places.

Since Ikea became commonplace

Perhaps the tenders are on water meters and it's the govenrments way of
passing the cost on to the home owner - Insurance Co. - Premium rise.

:¬)

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:05:20 +0100 John wrote :
It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it
used to be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good -
or don't the hoses get pointed in the right places.

The older the building, the more suspect the integrity of the
structure. Each new round of services means more holes knocked through
floor voids etc, never to be made good of course.

There is no way I would ever feel happy living in an upper level
conversion flat in a building with timber floors. If the people below
you suddenly get the urge for concealed spots, what are the chances
that they will worry about fire hoods or the effect of the integrity
of the ceiling.

My new high-rise flat here in Melbourne is sprinklered - two heads in
the bedroom - but not the drench type found in commercial buildings,
rather ones that (AIUI - do not intend to test g) just give a fine
spray if triggered.

--
Tony Bryer, 'Software to build on' www.superbeam.co.uk

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:05:20 +0100 John wrote :
It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it
used to be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good -
or don't the hoses get pointed in the right places.

The older the building, the more suspect the integrity of the
structure. Each new round of services means more holes knocked through
floor voids etc, never to be made good of course.

You obviously haven't seen what is new built around my way. The main
structure for 22 flats in my road arrived on the back of some trucks
and was nailed together within two days. A bit of brick cladding on the
outside and it's finished.

When a similar block of flats (same builder, same construction) caught
fire recently the fire chief expressed concern about how the fire had
rapidly spread to multiple dwellings.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

"www.GymRatZ.co.uk" wrote in
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John wrote:
It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used
to
be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't the
hoses get pointed in the right places.

Since Ikea became commonplace

Perhaps the tenders are on water meters and it's the govenrments way of
passing the cost on to the home owner - Insurance Co. - Premium rise.

:¬)

Just a thought - I don't believe the Fire Brigades do the inspections that
they uses to do. It is delegated to the occupiers.

When I worked for a large company if any maintenance work was being carried
out on the sprinkler system - or any work was being done which could cause
sparks (welding, grinding) then the Works Fire Brigade would send 2 guys
with radios and extinguishers to monitor the work.

The Fire Brigade & Security got outsourced and most of the equipment was
'rationalised' - charges were applies and a call centre for advice was set
up. Mmmmmmm!

"John" gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used
to be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't
the hoses get pointed in the right places.

Grade I listed building.
Being developed into flats.
At a time of falling property values.
At a time of slow property sales.

Fire breaks out, at a time when conveniently nobody's working to be
risked.

Mmm. Bet that was an accident, eh?

John wrote:
It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used to
be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't the
hoses get pointed in the right places.



The most amazing bit of the story is this:

"One of the residents, antiques dealer Boudica Scherazade, said: "It's
just so awful. There's so many valuable things in there."

That is some name! (And I think perhaps she might need to rephrase as
"so many formerly valuable things". :-( )

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On 26 Oct 2008 08:57:19 GMT Adrian wrote :
Grade I listed building.
Being developed into flats.
At a time of falling property values.
At a time of slow property sales.

Fire breaks out, at a time when conveniently nobody's working to be
risked.

Mmm. Bet that was an accident, eh?

Save that as it's a listed building, and not just listed but Grade 1,
the local authority and English Heritage are likely to insist on
complete restoration, no expense spared.

--
Tony Bryer, 'Software to build on' www.superbeam.co.uk

In article ,
Adrian writes:
"John" gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used
to be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't
the hoses get pointed in the right places.

Grade I listed building.
Being developed into flats.

I said it was converted into flats 40 years ago on the BBC news.

At a time of falling property values.
At a time of slow property sales.

Sounded like there were people already living in it.

Fire breaks out, at a time when conveniently nobody's working to be
risked.

Mmm. Bet that was an accident, eh?

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
In article ,
Adrian writes:
"John" gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used
to be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't
the hoses get pointed in the right places.

Grade I listed building.
Being developed into flats.

I said it was converted into flats 40 years ago on the BBC news.

Should read "It" said...
(I didn't say anything on the BBC news;-)

At a time of falling property values.
At a time of slow property sales.

Sounded like there were people already living in it.

Fire breaks out, at a time when conveniently nobody's working to be
risked.

Mmm. Bet that was an accident, eh?


--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 26 Oct 2008 08:57:19 GMT, Adrian wrote:

"John" gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

It always seems to me that fire fighting is less successful than it used
to be. Any thoughts on this? Perhaps the water isn't as good - or don't
the hoses get pointed in the right places.

Grade I listed building.
Being developed into flats.
At a time of falling property values.
At a time of slow property sales.

Fire breaks out, at a time when conveniently nobody's working to be
risked.

Mmm. Bet that was an accident, eh?

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