Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:46:21 GMT, Stephen
wrote:

Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.

I've never experienced gripper rods on anything but wooden floors but
my instincts would tell me not to use glue nor masonry pins .I'd be
inclined to drill holes through the rods ...mark on the floor where
the corresponding holes on the concrete should be and drill and plug
the holes then screw the gripper rods to the floor .

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:46:21 GMT, Stephen
wrote:

Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.

I've never experienced gripper rods on anything but wooden floors but
my instincts would tell me not to use glue nor masonry pins .I'd be
inclined to drill holes through the rods ...mark on the floor where
the corresponding holes on the concrete should be and drill and plug
the holes then screw the gripper rods to the floor .

Our downstairs is a concrete floor and the carpet gripper rods were only
nailed down. As said above, a couple blobs of 'no nails' won't hurt.

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:03:06 +0100, "Slider" wrote:


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On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:46:21 GMT, Stephen
wrote:

Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.

I've never experienced gripper rods on anything but wooden floors but
my instincts would tell me not to use glue nor masonry pins .I'd be
inclined to drill holes through the rods ...mark on the floor where
the corresponding holes on the concrete should be and drill and plug
the holes then screw the gripper rods to the floor .

Our downstairs is a concrete floor and the carpet gripper rods were only
nailed down. As said above, a couple blobs of 'no nails' won't hurt.


As YOU said above ??? I can't see any other post from you? :-)

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:46:21 GMT, Stephen
wrote:

Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.

I've never experienced gripper rods on anything but wooden floors but
my instincts would tell me not to use glue nor masonry pins .I'd be
inclined to drill holes through the rods ...mark on the floor where
the corresponding holes on the concrete should be and drill and plug
the holes then screw the gripper rods to the floor .

AIU, the gripper rods have hardened steel nails precisely so that can be
bashed into most floors - including concrete.

At our doorways, we have wooden strips (an "origianl feature"!) and the
floor is in poor condition. The fitter used a solvent-based glue
(something like a very tough rubber cement) across those thresholds.

The general "no more nails" family of adhesives would probably work -
but they do seem to take a long time to set to full hardness. IME, days.
Far longer than a carpet fitter would be in the house! And you need the
glue to be fully set before stretching a carpet over a stuck down
gripper rod.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
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On Oct 2, 11:18*am, Rod wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:46:21 GMT, Stephen
wrote:

Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.

I've never experienced gripper rods on anything but wooden floors but
my instincts would tell me not to use glue nor masonry pins .I'd be
inclined to drill holes through the rods ...mark on the floor where
the corresponding holes on the concrete should be and drill and plug
the holes then screw the gripper rods to the floor .

AIU, the gripper rods have hardened steel nails precisely so that can be
bashed into most floors - including concrete.

At our doorways, we have wooden strips (an "origianl feature"!) and the
floor is in poor condition. The fitter used a solvent-based glue
(something like a very tough rubber cement) across those thresholds.

The general "no more nails" family of adhesives would probably work -
but they do seem to take a long time to set to full hardness. IME, days.
Far longer than a carpet fitter would be in the house! And you need the
glue to be fully set before stretching a carpet over a stuck down
gripper rod.

I've removed successfully glued down griprod on concrete more than
once. Doesnt inspire me with confidence, but seems to have worked.


NT

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:18:11 +0100, Rod
wrote:

AIU, the gripper rods have hardened steel nails precisely so that can be
bashed into most floors - including concrete.

Thanks for the ultra-fast replies everyone.

Perhaps the nails are suitable for all floors, otherwise wouldn't they
sell a type without nails for concrete floors? A quick tap on the
hammer and I will soon find out.

It's not too much of a problem about cure time. I will make sure I
glue them a few days before the fitters arrive (sorry I haven't
learned to do DIY carpet fitting yet).

Thanks again,
Stephen.

"Stephen" wrote in message
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Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?


Carpet fitters will use the nails provided on concrete floors that are not
too hard. If the nails won't go in as the concrete is very hard (which also
means old (40-50yrs plus), although very old concrete isn't always hard
IYSWIM), they will use epoxy resin glue designed for the purpose. It is
unusual, hence scenario - lots of banging and cursing, followed by "I'll
have to go back and get some glue".


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

Stephen wrote:

Thanks for the ultra-fast replies everyone.

Perhaps the nails are suitable for all floors, otherwise wouldn't they
sell a type without nails for concrete floors? A quick tap on the
hammer and I will soon find out.

It's not too much of a problem about cure time. I will make sure I
glue them a few days before the fitters arrive (sorry I haven't
learned to do DIY carpet fitting yet).

I would caution against your other thought of drilling the floor.
I once had to deal with a solid floor where a threshold bar was
screwed down so deep that it had penetrated the DPC. A little
epoxy putty soon filled the hole.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:46:21 GMT, Stephen
wrote:

Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.

Forgot to ask but are you fitting the carpet yourself? If not then
might be better to ask the carpet fitter what he wants

"Stephen" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:18:11 +0100, Rod
wrote:

AIU, the gripper rods have hardened steel nails precisely so that can be
bashed into most floors - including concrete.

Thanks for the ultra-fast replies everyone.

Perhaps the nails are suitable for all floors, otherwise wouldn't they
sell a type without nails for concrete floors? A quick tap on the
hammer and I will soon find out.

It's not too much of a problem about cure time. I will make sure I
glue them a few days before the fitters arrive (sorry I haven't
learned to do DIY carpet fitting yet).

Thanks again,
Stephen.

Just make sure the gripper you have is for dual purpose as some gripper is
for wood only.

http://www.tradepriced.co.uk/carpet_gripper.html Never used them but they
give you the option of some gripper glue which might give you an idea of
what to look for.

"Stephen" wrote in message
...
Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.

Hi Stephen

I had this exact problem 3 months ago. I was going to screw them down with
the proper plugs but the damp membrane is very close and with the concrete
not being very thick I would have pierced it easily if I had rawl plugged
it.. Therefore I just used grip fill and stuck them down. I did wait 3 days
before the fitter came round. Just jmake sure the underneath of the rods and
floor are dust free that way the ashesion is better. Grip Fill worked for me
fine.

HTH
Sam

In article ,
Stephen wrote:
Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Pros normally glue them. But with something a bit stronger than NMN.

--
*The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:03:06 +0100, "Slider" wrote:

wrote in message
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:46:21 GMT, Stephen
wrote:

Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.
I've never experienced gripper rods on anything but wooden floors but
my instincts would tell me not to use glue nor masonry pins .I'd be
inclined to drill holes through the rods ...mark on the floor where
the corresponding holes on the concrete should be and drill and plug
the holes then screw the gripper rods to the floor .
Our downstairs is a concrete floor and the carpet gripper rods were only
nailed down. As said above, a couple blobs of 'no nails' won't hurt.


As YOU said above ??? I can't see any other post from you? :-)

BUT the OP mentions it above, so the context is OK.. or do you perceive some
other problem with it

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:21:17 +0100, DM wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:03:06 +0100, "Slider" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:46:21 GMT, Stephen
wrote:

Hello,

Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Thanks,
Stephen.
I've never experienced gripper rods on anything but wooden floors but
my instincts would tell me not to use glue nor masonry pins .I'd be
inclined to drill holes through the rods ...mark on the floor where
the corresponding holes on the concrete should be and drill and plug
the holes then screw the gripper rods to the floor .
Our downstairs is a concrete floor and the carpet gripper rods were only
nailed down. As said above, a couple blobs of 'no nails' won't hurt.


As YOU said above ??? I can't see any other post from you? :-)

BUT the OP mentions it above, so the context is OK.. or do you perceive some
other problem with it

I misread it .I'd have sworn that it said " As I said above " Twice I
read it as that as well...LOL

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Stephen wrote:
Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Pros normally glue them. But with something a bit stronger than NMN.

--
*The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Mine has metal strips which have a nail hole and also hook under the
skirting board to prevent lifting.

"John" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Stephen wrote:
Daft question: I need to fix some carpet grips to a concrete floor.
The grips have nails in but I assume they are for fixing to wooden
floors and will not penetrate concrete? So do I need to drill holes in
the floor, fit rawl plugs, and screw the grips down, or can I save
time and just glue them down with something like "no more nails"? That
would be a quicker option but I wasn't sure whether the tension in the
carpet would pull the grips up if only glued down? Alternatively could
I/should I use fancy screws or nails designed for masonry?

Pros normally glue them. But with something a bit stronger than NMN.

--
*The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Mine has metal strips which have a nail hole and also hook under the
skirting board to prevent lifting.

Just done some Googling and can't find them. Damned good idea though. Fitted
about 20 years ago to solid floor. The nail keeps the tension and the hook
under the skirting prevents lifting.

Stephen wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:18:11 +0100, Rod
wrote:

AIU, the gripper rods have hardened steel nails precisely so that
can be bashed into most floors - including concrete.

Thanks for the ultra-fast replies everyone.

Perhaps the nails are suitable for all floors, otherwise wouldn't they
sell a type without nails for concrete floors? A quick tap on the
hammer and I will soon find out.

You can buy three types of gripper, one for wood floors, one for concrete
floors and a dual purpose one. The concrete floor type has hardened nails.

Mind your fingers, carpet gripper is horrid nasty stuff.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:25:21 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Pros normally glue them. But with something a bit stronger than NMN.

Just to let you all know, the carpet fitter said to use no more nails
and the one carpet web site sells grip fill for that purpose. I'll let
you know if they come loose

"Stephen" wrote in message
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:25:21 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Pros normally glue them. But with something a bit stronger than NMN.

Just to let you all know, the carpet fitter said to use no more nails
and the one carpet web site sells grip fill for that purpose. I'll let
you know if they come loose

Spoke to my carpet fitter yesterday. He said most fitters use NMN but he
can't stand it as it takes too long to set. He uses a hot melt glue gun (or
the epoxy stuff). The hot melt sets in 20 minutes and he can lay out
underlay and precut carpet in that time and do the job in one visit. For NMN
he says you have to lay the grippers and come back the next day - he can't
understand why they use it.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:12:46 -0000, "Bob Mannix"
wrote:

Spoke to my carpet fitter yesterday. He said most fitters use NMN but he
can't stand it as it takes too long to set. He uses a hot melt glue gun (or
the epoxy stuff). The hot melt sets in 20 minutes and he can lay out
underlay and precut carpet in that time and do the job in one visit. For NMN
he says you have to lay the grippers and come back the next day - he can't
understand why they use it.

My fitter said to use "no more nails" but didn't go into details about
whether he left it a few days to set and I forgot to ask. This group
advised me to glue three days before the fitter's visit, which is what
I did.

I think one small section may have come loose in one corner; perhaps
the floor was dusty and the glue could not take hold? The rest seems
to be fine, touch wood.

I hadn't thought about melt glue guns. Is the glue that strong?

By epoxy what do you mean: Araldite?

Thanks,
Stephen.

"Stephen" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:12:46 -0000, "Bob Mannix"
wrote:

Spoke to my carpet fitter yesterday. He said most fitters use NMN but he
can't stand it as it takes too long to set. He uses a hot melt glue gun
(or
the epoxy stuff). The hot melt sets in 20 minutes and he can lay out
underlay and precut carpet in that time and do the job in one visit. For
NMN
he says you have to lay the grippers and come back the next day - he can't
understand why they use it.

My fitter said to use "no more nails" but didn't go into details about
whether he left it a few days to set and I forgot to ask. This group
advised me to glue three days before the fitter's visit, which is what
I did.

I think one small section may have come loose in one corner; perhaps
the floor was dusty and the glue could not take hold? The rest seems
to be fine, touch wood.

I hadn't thought about melt glue guns. Is the glue that strong?

By epoxy what do you mean: Araldite?


Apparently yes as the glue gun is his preferred method. The epoxy is
araldite-like but in big tins (AFAICR). The floor does need keying first for
either. To his way of thinking you get more jobs done if you do them in one
visit, hence more money per week, the glue gun cost him £200 but paid for
itself very quickly.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:20:27 -0000, "Bob Mannix"
wrote:

Apparently yes as the glue gun is his preferred method. The epoxy is
araldite-like but in big tins (AFAICR). The floor does need keying first for
either. To his way of thinking you get more jobs done if you do them in one
visit, hence more money per week, the glue gun cost him £200 but paid for
itself very quickly.

I agree with his logic about only making one visit and earning more
money. I'm unsure what glue gun you are talking about, at first I
thought it was something like Screwfix code 77300 but that's 17 GBP
not £200!

"Stephen" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:20:27 -0000, "Bob Mannix"
wrote:

Apparently yes as the glue gun is his preferred method. The epoxy is
araldite-like but in big tins (AFAICR). The floor does need keying first
for
either. To his way of thinking you get more jobs done if you do them in
one
visit, hence more money per week, the glue gun cost him £200 but paid for
itself very quickly.

I agree with his logic about only making one visit and earning more
money. I'm unsure what glue gun you are talking about, at first I
thought it was something like Screwfix code 77300 but that's 17 GBP
not £200!

Well, I would imagine something like these, that might last!

http://www.gluegunsdirect.com/index....y&idCategory=9


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)