On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:32:32 +0100, David Hansen wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:46:40 +0100 someone who may be "Samantha
Booth" wrote this:-

I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.

Fitting it into what sounds like a mains pressure hot water pipe
will be no different to fitting it to a mains pressure cold water
pipe. However, I would avoid the '"screw into the exsisting pipe"
kind of fitting' and instead fit a proper fitting, a compression or
soldered one for copper pipes.

A '"screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting' may release
pieces of pipe wall into the pipe, which will then trundle along the
pipe until they find something to interfere with. If they don't do
that they are likely to make a small cut into the pipe, which will
restrict the flow rate to the new tap.

I'd be concerned about thermal expansion too. When heated, holes get
bigger. So if you tapped into the pipe when it was cold, then ran h/w
through it you might find it started leaking - maybe not much but it's
something to bear in mind. The cyclic heating/cooling may also affect
the tightness of the connection, so it might work loose.

I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing is
I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.

I specifically want a hot tap outside to wash up after the dogs and to bath
them outside. The boile doesnt kick in till the taps a quarter of the way on
anyway so even if I have a drip outside its not going to effect the boiler.

Look forward as always to your replies. Oh and I am not fitting it I have
roped in a friend to help me with all the jobs I cannot do anymore.

Thanks again all

Sam

"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
...
I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap.

Why do you want to fit an external tap on a hot supply?

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...

"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
...
I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap.

Why do you want to fit an external tap on a hot supply?

Mary

So I can bath my many dogs, clean up after them, wash the car and also hot
water cleans better than cold and I need the area to be as clean as I can
possibly get it. I have a cold suply outside at the rear of the house, this
will be a hot supply down the side. Its definately hot I want not cold.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mary Fisher"
saying something like:


"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
...
I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap.

Why do you want to fit an external tap on a hot supply?

OFM.

"I specifically want a hot tap outside to wash up after the dogs and to
bath them outside."

--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:46:40 +0100 someone who may be "Samantha
Booth" wrote this:-

I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.

Fitting it into what sounds like a mains pressure hot water pipe
will be no different to fitting it to a mains pressure cold water
pipe. However, I would avoid the '"screw into the exsisting pipe"
kind of fitting' and instead fit a proper fitting, a compression or
soldered one for copper pipes.

A '"screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting' may release
pieces of pipe wall into the pipe, which will then trundle along the
pipe until they find something to interfere with. If they don't do
that they are likely to make a small cut into the pipe, which will
restrict the flow rate to the new tap.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mary Fisher"
saying something like:


"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
...
I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap.

Why do you want to fit an external tap on a hot supply?

OFM.

"I specifically want a hot tap outside to wash up after the dogs and to
bath them outside."

--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

And what exactly is wrong with that?
I need the dogs to stay outside for the forseeable future and to be washed
out there too, they are working dogs. This is what I do in my spare time and
one of the ways I make a living. I am not into pampering dogs like you
obviously think. I have a specialist search dog who requires baths when he
has been out working and is filthy. With my cancer I cannot allow him in the
house for fear of infection at this time, so he will require bathing
outside. Hope that clears up the OFM.

"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:46:40 +0100 someone who may be "Samantha
Booth" wrote this:-

I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the
fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.

Fitting it into what sounds like a mains pressure hot water pipe
will be no different to fitting it to a mains pressure cold water
pipe. However, I would avoid the '"screw into the exsisting pipe"
kind of fitting' and instead fit a proper fitting, a compression or
soldered one for copper pipes.

A '"screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting' may release
pieces of pipe wall into the pipe, which will then trundle along the
pipe until they find something to interfere with. If they don't do
that they are likely to make a small cut into the pipe, which will
restrict the flow rate to the new tap.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Samantha,
Those kits from B&Q are rubbish, I did the same for my dogsand I used 15mm
copper pipe and compression fittings .It is not that hard to do.

Kind Regards


Micky Leeds UK.

Samantha Booth wrote:

I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing is
I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.


I wouldnt even think of buying a ready made kit from B+Q et al.
They are rubbish - what you expect for £10ish.

Buy a length of 15mm copper pipe for £7 or so, buy the other bits from
Screwfix - a tap with check valve is £4.60, a union for the tap,
complete with pipe to go through the wall is £3.60, a stop/isolating
valve will be £1.50, a 15mm compression T fitting and 15mm 90deg comp.
fitting will be a £1 or so each.You'll only need 30cm or so of copper
pipe, so if you already have a spare length of pipe, then the cost will
work out around the same, with far better quality components.

If possible, have the outside tap below the level of the isolating tap
inside, then you can turn off the iso tap, and open the outside tap to
get the water out of it during bad frosts.
If that is not possible, then try and fit a drain off somwhere before
the pipe goes outside to enable it to be drained easily, just in case we
do have a bad frost spell.
Alan.


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"A.Lee" wrote in message
...
Samantha Booth wrote:

I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing
is
I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the
fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.


I wouldnt even think of buying a ready made kit from B+Q et al.
They are rubbish - what you expect for £10ish.

Buy a length of 15mm copper pipe for £7 or so, buy the other bits from
Screwfix - a tap with check valve is £4.60, a union for the tap,
complete with pipe to go through the wall is £3.60, a stop/isolating
valve will be £1.50, a 15mm compression T fitting and 15mm 90deg comp.
fitting will be a £1 or so each.You'll only need 30cm or so of copper
pipe, so if you already have a spare length of pipe, then the cost will
work out around the same, with far better quality components.

If possible, have the outside tap below the level of the isolating tap
inside, then you can turn off the iso tap, and open the outside tap to
get the water out of it during bad frosts.
If that is not possible, then try and fit a drain off somwhere before
the pipe goes outside to enable it to be drained easily, just in case we
do have a bad frost spell.
Alan.


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Right then I will ask him to fit the proper fittings and bypass the B&Q
stuff, thanks for that. Its knowing just what to get that's the problem. I
know it may sound daft getting a hot tap outside but I have very valid
reasons for doing so. I aint a doggy poodle parlour loony? Or at least I
wasnt last time I looked.

Samantha Booth wrote:

OFM.

"I specifically want a hot tap outside to wash up after the dogs and to
bath them outside."

And what exactly is wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing Sam.
It was an expression about Mary not reading your whole post before
comenting with a bit of a stupid question as you'd already made it very
clear why.

Hence the Inverted commas as he re-quoted your original post.

:¬)

Pete

On 28/09/2008 20:55, Samantha Booth wrote:

And what exactly is wrong with that?

I think Dave's comment was aimed at Mary, not you.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 28/09/2008 20:55, Samantha Booth wrote:

And what exactly is wrong with that?

I think Dave's comment was aimed at Mary, not you.

Yes my appologies I got it wrong. I thought someone was having another go at
me.

I have had a plumber here today refusing to do the job, he said I shouldnt
have a hot feed outside. I explained I have cancer and that if I was to get
an infection or bug that it would probably kill me before the cancer does.
he just laughed at me and told me knowone in their right minds has a hot tap
outdoors. I need it to wash the dogs so they dont bring into the house any
germs or i can limit to a point what they bring in. If I have to work them
they normally cme back very dirty, can be stood in poo from fox poo to deer
poo and I need to wash them BEFORE they enter the house. I am just tying to
rule out another infection as I dont have the white cells to combat them
like normal people.

So sorry again Dave I entirely got the wrong end of the stick there and put
my foot in my mouth. I thought you had said OFM someone wants a hot tap for
their dogs and clearly now I understand you didnt. My humble apologies.

Thanks you two for clearing it up for me. I shall now go an dremmel my toe
nails off till it hurts, then staple my gob shut firmly.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:46:40 +0100, Samantha Booth wrote:

I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing is
I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.

I think these cheap'n'nasty outside tap kits use a pretty naff bit of
hosepipe to connect to the tap. This may just scrape by for cold supply
but a combination of hot water and mains pressure (if your hot water
is off a combi as you imply) could be too much for it.

As others have suggested: do the job properly :-)

Depending on location I'd be thinking of using a combined wallplate with
through-pipe (Screwfix 82202, also available from Toolstation) with a tap
combining a double-check valve (Sfx 11958, or 11558 for a Pegler), and on
the supply side whatever fits your existing pipework: possibly involving a
15mm compression Tee, a service isolation valve and maybe a flexible tap
connector.

Loctite thread-sealing tape (plumbers' dental floss :-)) is great for
sealing the tap thread to the wall plate.


--
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Seagull Management
Management technique characterised by flying in, making a lot of noise,
crapping on everything, and then leaving.

"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 28/09/2008 20:55, Samantha Booth wrote:

And what exactly is wrong with that?

I think Dave's comment was aimed at Mary, not you.

Yes my appologies I got it wrong. I thought someone was having another go
at me.

I have had a plumber here today refusing to do the job, he said I shouldnt
have a hot feed outside. I explained I have cancer and that if I was to
get an infection or bug that it would probably kill me before the cancer
does. he just laughed at me and told me knowone in their right minds has a
hot tap outdoors. I need it to wash the dogs so they dont bring into the
house any germs or i can limit to a point what they bring in. If I have to
work them they normally cme back very dirty, can be stood in poo from fox
poo to deer poo and I need to wash them BEFORE they enter the house. I am
just tying to rule out another infection as I dont have the white cells to
combat them like normal people.


Could you have the hot tap fitted inside the house and run a hose with a
spray head outside (maybe through the wall)?

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:36:28 +0100 someone who may be "Samantha
Booth" wrote this:-

I have had a plumber here today refusing to do the job, he said I shouldnt
have a hot feed outside.

Not a very good businessman by the sound of it.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:36:28 +0100 someone who may be "Samantha
Booth" wrote this:-

I have had a plumber here today refusing to do the job, he said I shouldnt
have a hot feed outside.

Not a very good businessman by the sound of it.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54
TBH I rarely have tradesmen here. i do most of it myself but know my limits.
He didnt want the jon before he knew what it was really. It was a waste of
time.

"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 28/09/2008 20:55, Samantha Booth wrote:

And what exactly is wrong with that?

I think Dave's comment was aimed at Mary, not you.

Yes my appologies I got it wrong. I thought someone was having
another go at
me.

I have had a plumber here today refusing to do the job, he said I
shouldnt
have a hot feed outside. I explained I have cancer and that if I was
to get
an infection or bug that it would probably kill me before the cancer
does.
he just laughed at me and told me knowone in their right minds has a
hot tap
outdoors. I need it to wash the dogs so they dont bring into the
house any
germs or i can limit to a point what they bring in. If I have to
work them
they normally cme back very dirty, can be stood in poo from fox poo
to deer
poo and I need to wash them BEFORE they enter the house. I am just
tying to
rule out another infection as I dont have the white cells to combat
them
like normal people.

So sorry again Dave I entirely got the wrong end of the stick there
and put
my foot in my mouth. I thought you had said OFM someone wants a hot
tap for
their dogs and clearly now I understand you didnt. My humble
apologies.

Thanks you two for clearing it up for me. I shall now go an dremmel
my toe
nails off till it hurts, then staple my gob shut firmly.




I've just finished refurbishing a barn that was previously used as a
greyhound training kennels. There was an outside tap supplying hot
water to wash the dogs when they'd been excercised in our rather wet
field in the winter - nothing at all odd about that, just common
sense. If the plumber doesn't want the job tell him to sling his hook
and get another one!

AWEMb

Samantha Booth wrote:

TBH I rarely have tradesmen here. i do most of it myself but know my limits.
He didnt want the jon before he knew what it was really. It was a waste of
time.


But he might have done so with grace instead of what sounds to have been
unpleasantness.

You can see the original thread he

http://tinyurl.com/49sren
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/49sren
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http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_frm/thread/b01a47d9b33dcee6/ccebe5cd9bd007a0?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=#ccebe5cd9bd007a0

When I fitted a new outside tap a few months ago, I used Hep2O pipe and
internal stop valve. Made life nice and easy - and provides a marginally
enhanced level of frost protection.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
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Right then I will ask him to fit the proper fittings and bypass the B&Q
stuff, thanks for that. Its knowing just what to get that's the problem. I
know it may sound daft getting a hot tap outside but I have very valid
reasons for doing so. I aint a doggy poodle parlour loony? Or at least I
wasnt last time I looked.

You must have checked this but how hot does the water get?

Mine gets scalding hot.

--
Bartc

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:55:12 UTC, "Samantha Booth"
wrote:

And what exactly is wrong with that?

Nothing. It's just Mary being her usual, tiresome, holier-than-thou
self.

I'd echo the comment about the plumbing. Get a proper joint fitted, not
one of those pipe cutter things. They cut a tiny hole and the flow is
terrible.

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"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
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"A.Lee" wrote in message
...
Samantha Booth wrote:

I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing
is
I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the
fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.


I wouldnt even think of buying a ready made kit from B+Q et al.
They are rubbish - what you expect for £10ish.

Buy a length of 15mm copper pipe for £7 or so, buy the other bits from
Screwfix - a tap with check valve is £4.60, a union for the tap,
complete with pipe to go through the wall is £3.60, a stop/isolating
valve will be £1.50, a 15mm compression T fitting and 15mm 90deg comp.
fitting will be a £1 or so each.You'll only need 30cm or so of copper
pipe, so if you already have a spare length of pipe, then the cost will
work out around the same, with far better quality components.

If possible, have the outside tap below the level of the isolating tap
inside, then you can turn off the iso tap, and open the outside tap to
get the water out of it during bad frosts.
If that is not possible, then try and fit a drain off somwhere before
the pipe goes outside to enable it to be drained easily, just in case we
do have a bad frost spell.
Alan.


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Right then I will ask him to fit the proper fittings and bypass the B&Q
stuff, thanks for that. Its knowing just what to get that's the problem. I
know it may sound daft getting a hot tap outside but I have very valid
reasons for doing so. I aint a doggy poodle parlour loony? Or at least I
wasnt last time I looked.

I think you should fit a thermostatic mixer to ensure you can't scald
anything
Something like http://www.screwfix.com/prods/47812, not cheap but you are
doing odd things and hosepipes in general don't like hot water.

"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
...
I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing
is I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the
fittings they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the
normal cold pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.

I specifically want a hot tap outside to wash up after the dogs and to
bath them outside. The boile doesnt kick in till the taps a quarter of the
way on anyway so even if I have a drip outside its not going to effect the
boiler.

Look forward as always to your replies. Oh and I am not fitting it I have
roped in a friend to help me with all the jobs I cannot do anymore.

Thanks again all

Sam

As others have said, avoid the screw in ones, as they are rubbish, mainly
due to them potentially releasing a small disk of metal into your system,
and also the flow rate is really poor from them, as the hole they cut into
the pipe is quite small.

One thing I haven't read in any replies, is having a temperature limit on
the tap.
Would the pure hot not be too hot for your needs?

If so, I suggest you get a mixing valve like this
http://tinyurl.com/4y83ru (Link to Screwfix part number 47812)
This is a 22mm one, you only really need a 15mm one, but Screwfix don't seem
to have one)

This connects to both the hot and cold feed, then delivers water at the
temperature you pre select (This needs to stay inside, not used like a mixer
tap!).

Toby...

"Toby" wrote in message
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"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
...
I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing
is I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the
fittings they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the
normal cold pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of
fitting.

I specifically want a hot tap outside to wash up after the dogs and to
bath them outside. The boile doesnt kick in till the taps a quarter of
the way on anyway so even if I have a drip outside its not going to
effect the boiler.

Look forward as always to your replies. Oh and I am not fitting it I have
roped in a friend to help me with all the jobs I cannot do anymore.

Thanks again all

Sam

As others have said, avoid the screw in ones, as they are rubbish, mainly
due to them potentially releasing a small disk of metal into your system,
and also the flow rate is really poor from them, as the hole they cut into
the pipe is quite small.

One thing I haven't read in any replies, is having a temperature limit on
the tap.
Would the pure hot not be too hot for your needs?

If so, I suggest you get a mixing valve like this
http://tinyurl.com/4y83ru (Link to Screwfix part number 47812)
This is a 22mm one, you only really need a 15mm one, but Screwfix don't
seem to have one)

This connects to both the hot and cold feed, then delivers water at the
temperature you pre select (This needs to stay inside, not used like a
mixer tap!).

Toby...

The more the tap is on the cooler it is. very slow is very hot, the water
looks white. faster flow and you can sit under it like in the shower, its
fine. I need to rethink this and get someone out who is prepared to do the
job properly. You are all right, flow will be very important especially
rinsing off German Shepherds and Collies, also rinsing down their area i
will definately need a good flow. The cut into the pipe isnt going to cut
the mustard I think.

I will do a list of what I need from SF and get the parts in. i know a
plumber a friend of a friend who I dont like o bother as he is always busy i
am sure if I get the parts he will fit it for me.

Thjanks again people. Once again a great help.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Samantha Booth"
saying something like:

I think Dave's comment was aimed at Mary, not you.

Yes my appologies I got it wrong. I thought someone was having another go at
me.

I wouldn't.
Happy dog bathing.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Samantha Booth"
saying something like:

I have had a plumber here today refusing to do the job, he said I shouldnt
have a hot feed outside.

None of his business what you want it for or how. There's nothing to
stop you having a hot outlet outside as far as I know. Indeed, all the
commercial vehicle washers couldn't function if they didn't have it. I
can think of a dozen farmers near me who have it in various forms, most
with a dedicated outside heater, a couple with a feed from the house.

In short, he's talking ********.

--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Samantha Booth"
saying something like:

I have had a plumber here today refusing to do the job, he said I shouldnt
have a hot feed outside.

None of his business what you want it for or how. There's nothing to
stop you having a hot outlet outside as far as I know. Indeed, all the
commercial vehicle washers couldn't function if they didn't have it. I
can think of a dozen farmers near me who have it in various forms, most
with a dedicated outside heater, a couple with a feed from the house.

In short, he's talking ********.

--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
How much more suspenseful can you get?"
- House
Thanks Dave and once again my sincere appologies for getting you wrong. I am
quite quick to bite lately and shouldnt be but generally feel like death
warmed up, thats not an excuse. Sorry

Samantha Booth wrote:
I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing is
I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.

I specifically want a hot tap outside to wash up after the dogs and to bath
them outside. The boile doesnt kick in till the taps a quarter of the way on
anyway so even if I have a drip outside its not going to effect the boiler.

In theory what you want to do does not sound too difficult. Two possible
problems spring to mind though: Some of the garden tap kits that use a
flexible rubber hose to make the link between self cutting valve and the
outside tap, may not be rated for high temperatures. Since you have a
combi, your hot water will be at mains pressure, so it is important to
not use something that will soften significantly when hot.

The other possible problem is that you will have no real control of
temperature, other than by turning the tap on hard enough to prevent the
combi having time to heat the water too much, or by setting the limit
stat on the combi to something hand (and dog!) safe.

If it were me, I would use proper plumbing bits and not a tap kit. A
push fit tee, some pipe (plastic liek hepworth or speedfit would be
fine), a service valve, and an external tap. Chop a small section of
pipe out (having turned off the cold water valve on the inlet to the
combi, and turned the combi off). Insert the tee, pipe to a service
valve (this is so you can turn off the outside tap should you need), and
from there through a hole in the wall to a suitable outside tap. Lag well.

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Samantha Booth wrote:

The more the tap is on the cooler it is. very slow is very hot, the water
looks white. faster flow and you can sit under it like in the shower, its
fine. I need to rethink this and get someone out who is prepared to do the
job properly. You are all right, flow will be very important especially
rinsing off German Shepherds and Collies, also rinsing down their area i
will definately need a good flow. The cut into the pipe isnt going to cut
the mustard I think.

I will do a list of what I need from SF and get the parts in. i know a
plumber a friend of a friend who I dont like o bother as he is always busy i
am sure if I get the parts he will fit it for me.

It may sound a bit daft, but if you have a cold pipe close to the hot
one, why not get a cheap bar mixer type thermostatic shower[1], and
mount that outside? That way you have an ideal spray and hose for the
dogs, and can chose a temperature to suit.

[1] Makro often do Bristan mixers for about £50+vat, like the one I used
he

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"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
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I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap.

Why do you want to fit an external tap on a hot supply?

Mary

So I can bath my many dogs, clean up after them, wash the car and also hot
water cleans better than cold and I need the area to be as clean as I can
possibly get it. I have a cold suply outside at the rear of the house,
this will be a hot supply down the side. Its definately hot I want not
cold.

OK, that's fair enough. Remember to lag the pipes well or you'll be wasting
money.

Mary

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:44:48 +0100, Samantha Booth wrote:


"Toby" wrote in message
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"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
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I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing
is I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the
fittings they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the
normal cold pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of
fitting.

I specifically want a hot tap outside to wash up after the dogs and to
bath them outside. The boile doesnt kick in till the taps a quarter of
the way on anyway so even if I have a drip outside its not going to
effect the boiler.

Look forward as always to your replies. Oh and I am not fitting it I have
roped in a friend to help me with all the jobs I cannot do anymore.

Thanks again all

Sam

As others have said, avoid the screw in ones, as they are rubbish, mainly
due to them potentially releasing a small disk of metal into your system,
and also the flow rate is really poor from them, as the hole they cut into
the pipe is quite small.

One thing I haven't read in any replies, is having a temperature limit on
the tap.
Would the pure hot not be too hot for your needs?

If so, I suggest you get a mixing valve like this
http://tinyurl.com/4y83ru (Link to Screwfix part number 47812)
This is a 22mm one, you only really need a 15mm one, but Screwfix don't
seem to have one)

This connects to both the hot and cold feed, then delivers water at the
temperature you pre select (This needs to stay inside, not used like a
mixer tap!).

Toby...

The more the tap is on the cooler it is. very slow is very hot, the water
looks white. faster flow and you can sit under it like in the shower, its
fine. I need to rethink this and get someone out who is prepared to do the
job properly. You are all right, flow will be very important especially
rinsing off German Shepherds and Collies, also rinsing down their area i
will definately need a good flow. The cut into the pipe isnt going to cut
the mustard I think.

I will do a list of what I need from SF and get the parts in. i know a
plumber a friend of a friend who I dont like o bother as he is always busy i
am sure if I get the parts he will fit it for me.

Thjanks again people. Once again a great help.


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It sounds from your description that you might have a 'multi-point' water
heater. IF this is the case you will probably have an adjustment knob on
the front to give you a different range of flow rates / temperatures.
Turning it to the lowest temperature will give you a greater flow but the
lowest temperature may be too low in very cold weather.

Cic.

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:05:03 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

[1] Makro often do Bristan mixers for about £50+vat

Toolstation do one complete with riser rail hose and head for less than
that inc VAT



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saying something like:

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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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OK, that's fair enough. Remember to lag the pipes well or you'll be
wasting money.

Probably not, if you wash the dog and then don't use it for a few hours it
will be cold even if lagged.
If you frequently use the tap then lagging will save money.

Lagging may stop it freezing, but may not.
If there is a longish run outside then plastic pipe doesn't burst when it
freezes but the taps might.

YAPH wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:05:03 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

[1] Makro often do Bristan mixers for about £50+vat

Toolstation do one complete with riser rail hose and head for less than
that inc VAT

Do they? had not looked recently...

(the Bristan one is also the full kit)



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"Samantha Booth" wrote in message
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"A.Lee" wrote in message
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Samantha Booth wrote:

I may have asked this before but cannot see the replies.
I want to fit an outside tap on the dog run down the side of the house.
I can tap into an exsisting hot supply no problem and fit the tap. Thing
is
I am getting a tap kit from B&Q will there be any problem with the
fittings
they supply with it going onto the hot pipe rather than the normal cold
pipe. Its the "screw into the exsisting pipe" kind of fitting.


I wouldnt even think of buying a ready made kit from B+Q et al.
They are rubbish - what you expect for £10ish.

Buy a length of 15mm copper pipe for £7 or so, buy the other bits from
Screwfix - a tap with check valve is £4.60, a union for the tap,
complete with pipe to go through the wall is £3.60, a stop/isolating
valve will be £1.50, a 15mm compression T fitting and 15mm 90deg comp.
fitting will be a £1 or so each.You'll only need 30cm or so of copper
pipe, so if you already have a spare length of pipe, then the cost will
work out around the same, with far better quality components.

If possible, have the outside tap below the level of the isolating tap
inside, then you can turn off the iso tap, and open the outside tap to
get the water out of it during bad frosts.
If that is not possible, then try and fit a drain off somwhere before
the pipe goes outside to enable it to be drained easily, just in case we
do have a bad frost spell.
Alan.


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Right then I will ask him to fit the proper fittings and bypass the B&Q
stuff, thanks for that. Its knowing just what to get that's the problem. I
know it may sound daft getting a hot tap outside but I have very valid
reasons for doing so. I aint a doggy poodle parlour loony? Or at least I
wasnt last time I looked.

Of course it's not daft! Stop worrying about it - if you have a valid reason
for wanting hot water there then that's fine. Accidentally leaving the tap
running would be the greatest worry. It will always be fine with normal
fittngs - very fine if mains pressure hot water, otherwise (if from a header
tank) it may be a little slow (especially with the deprecated self cutting
kit, which I also would avoid). Lag what you can and isolate internally in
the winter as with any outside tap. I would put it next to a cold tap as, if
the water gets to hot it would be inconvenient. If it were me I would mount
two taps over a belfast sink or similar at ground level, which could also be
used when needed.

Good luck


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In article ,
(A.Lee) writes:
Buy a length of 15mm copper pipe for £7 or so, buy the other bits from
Screwfix - a tap with check valve is £4.60, a union for the tap,

I read in one of the trade mags that the check valve must be
fitted indoors nowadays, as they are destroyed by frost outdoors.

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
(A.Lee) writes:
Buy a length of 15mm copper pipe for £7 or so, buy the other bits from
Screwfix - a tap with check valve is £4.60, a union for the tap,

I read in one of the trade mags that the check valve must be
fitted indoors nowadays, as they are destroyed by frost outdoors.

I had one indoors knackerd by the outside tap freezing - the water
expansion jammed the second piston of the double check valve such that
it would not open. Had to remove it in the end, making it a single check
valve.

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