Stay away from the Blue Silica Gel as this contains a chemical
additive called Cobalt Chloride which is NOT something you want near
your products/food! It is linked to cause cancer and the British
Chemical Regulations actually requires BLUE Silica Gel to be disposed
of as Hazardous Waste!! Now the Clear/White Silica gel is like all
Natural and has no checmical additives. This is the item that you see
with 99% of your food packaging, etc. Just want to make sure everyone
knows NOT to use the BLUE or NOT to buy the BLUE Silica Gel. The clear
silica gel stuff is actually much cheaper then the blue and can be
easily found online, just google Silica Gel Packets and will find
several online retailers. Place I use is: http://www.silicagelpackets.com
as they ship for free. Hopefully this will help solve some answers
about Silica Gel as well!

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:27:18 -0700, panthers1day wrote:

Stay away from the Blue Silica Gel as this contains a chemical additive
called Cobalt Chloride which is NOT something you want near your
products/food! It is linked to cause cancer and the British Chemical
Regulations actually requires BLUE Silica Gel to be disposed of as
Hazardous Waste!! Now the Clear/White Silica gel is like all Natural and
has no checmical additives. This is the item that you see with 99% of
your food packaging, etc. Just want to make sure everyone knows NOT to
use the BLUE or NOT to buy the BLUE Silica Gel. The clear silica gel
stuff is actually much cheaper then the blue and can be easily found
online, just google Silica Gel Packets and will find several online
retailers. Place I use is: http://www.silicagelpackets.com as they ship
for free. Hopefully this will help solve some answers about Silica Gel
as well!

excerpt from

http://www.intox.org/databank/docume...cl/ukpid50.htm

Carcinogenicity

Animal studies suggest cobalt and its compounds are carcinogenic.
While several studies have shown that hard metal workers exhibit
excess lung cancer mortality, there is inadequate evidence for cobalt
or its compounds to be classed as carcinogenic in man (IARC, 1991).
Assessment of human cancer risk is often confounded by simultaneous

tobacco consumption, exposure to nickel and arsenic and small study
population numbers (Mur et al, 1987; Jensen and Tüchsen, 1990).

Mur et al (1987) observed excess lung cancer mortality (standardized
mortality ratio = 4.66) in 1143 workers employed between 1950 and 1980
in a cobalt and sodium producing plant; smoking habits in the study
population were not assessed. A follow-up study from 1981-88 failed to
show a relationship between lung cancer and cobalt exposure (Moulin et
al, 1993).

Lasfargues et al (1994) reported significantly higher lung cancer
mortality among 709 hard metal workers (employed for at least one
year) compared to controls, though the study was too small to be
conclusive.

So probably NOT!

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:27:18 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Stay away from the Blue Silica Gel as this contains a chemical
additive called Cobalt Chloride which is NOT something you want near
your products/food! It is linked to cause cancer and the British
Chemical Regulations actually requires BLUE Silica Gel to be disposed
of as Hazardous Waste!! Now the Clear/White Silica gel is like all
Natural and has no checmical additives. This is the item that you see
with 99% of your food packaging, etc.

I can't think of any food that I have bought that has included Silica
Gel in it's packaging ...Plenty of other things but not food .

On 11 Sep, 17:27, wrote:
Stay away from the Blue Silica Gel

I recommend avoiding the Brown Acid too, but it may be too late in
your case.


I'm OK, my silica gel is all pink, so it must be safe.

The Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:27:18 -0700, panthers1day wrote:

Stay away from the Blue Silica Gel as this contains a chemical additive
called Cobalt Chloride which is NOT something you want near your
products/food! It is linked to cause cancer and the British Chemical
Regulations actually requires BLUE Silica Gel to be disposed of as
Hazardous Waste!! Now the Clear/White Silica gel is like all Natural and
has no checmical additives. This is the item that you see with 99% of
your food packaging, etc. Just want to make sure everyone knows NOT to
use the BLUE or NOT to buy the BLUE Silica Gel. The clear silica gel
stuff is actually much cheaper then the blue and can be easily found
online, just google Silica Gel Packets and will find several online
retailers. Place I use is: http://www.silicagelpackets.com as they ship
for free. Hopefully this will help solve some answers about Silica Gel
as well!

excerpt from

http://www.intox.org/databank/docume...cl/ukpid50.htm

Carcinogenicity

Animal studies suggest cobalt and its compounds are carcinogenic.
While several studies have shown that hard metal workers exhibit
excess lung cancer mortality, there is inadequate evidence for cobalt
or its compounds to be classed as carcinogenic in man (IARC, 1991).
Assessment of human cancer risk is often confounded by simultaneous

tobacco consumption, exposure to nickel and arsenic and small study
population numbers (Mur et al, 1987; Jensen and Tüchsen, 1990).

Mur et al (1987) observed excess lung cancer mortality (standardized
mortality ratio = 4.66) in 1143 workers employed between 1950 and 1980
in a cobalt and sodium producing plant; smoking habits in the study
population were not assessed. A follow-up study from 1981-88 failed to
show a relationship between lung cancer and cobalt exposure (Moulin et
al, 1993).

Lasfargues et al (1994) reported significantly higher lung cancer
mortality among 709 hard metal workers (employed for at least one
year) compared to controls, though the study was too small to be
conclusive.

So probably NOT!

Interesting trying to live without vitamin B12/various formscobalamin.
E.g. C63H88CoN14O14P - note the 'Co' in there!

(Mind, there are suggestions that excess B12 might sometimes be
implciated in some forms of cancer. Seems that because it is necessary
fo rcell division it is being suggested that an excess causes exscess
cell division.)

(Even more OT - were Deltics exceptionally carcinogenic?)

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:35:31 +0100, Rod
wrote:



(Even more OT - were Deltics exceptionally carcinogenic?)

Yet more still. Was "The Atom Bomb" exceptionally carcinogenic.

Dr strangelove & all that

Derek

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On 11 Sep, 17:27, wrote:
Stay away from the Blue Silica Gel

I recommend avoiding the Brown Acid too, but it may be too late in
your case.


I'm OK, my silica gel is all pink, so it must be safe.

:-)

Must've got damp!

Mary

Derek wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:35:31 +0100, Rod
wrote:


(Even more OT - were Deltics exceptionally carcinogenic?)

Yet more still. Was "The Atom Bomb" exceptionally carcinogenic.

Dr strangelove & all that

In the US they do have that group of people known as "downwinders" - who
were affected by fallout from tests. The rates of thyroid cancer seem to
be somewhat elevated.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:24:26 +0100, Rod
wrote:

Derek wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:35:31 +0100, Rod
wrote:


(Even more OT - were Deltics exceptionally carcinogenic?)

Yet more still. Was "The Atom Bomb" exceptionally carcinogenic.

Dr strangelove & all that

In the US they do have that group of people known as "downwinders" - who
were affected by fallout from tests. The rates of thyroid cancer seem to
be somewhat elevated.

Absolutely ...

And similar from the "Downwinders" from the Windscale accident.

It was the ficticious "Cobalt Thorium G" in Strangelove that drew my
attention.

There is good science and there is junk science, and there is good
science that *they* never intended us to get to hear about.

Ironically it is that that breads the "Junk Science".

Derek

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On 11 Sep, 17:27, wrote:
Stay away from the Blue Silica Gel

I recommend avoiding the Brown Acid too, but it may be too late in
your case.


I'm OK, my silica gel is all pink, so it must be safe.

Cobalt chloride used to be one of the handful of chemicals that were 'safe'
enough to be standard parts of kids' chemistry sets. I went through quite a
few tubes of it - esp as it was one of the more spectacular ones to make
'crystal gardens' with when dropped into 'water glass' sodium silicate
solution (then still available as an egg preservative).

Mind you, they also gave us Iron Sulphide for making 'bad egg gas' - which
is now 'as deadly as cyanide' - but seems to come out of the back of not a
few 'environmentally friendly' cars...

Another favourite seaside souvenir/kids item in those days was 'weather
forecasting cards' and even plaster models, painted with cobalt chloride -
blue when 'dry' pink when 'wet'.

Hence the blue crystals that used to be in computer rooms' double glazed
windows, and in the bottom of desiccators mixed with the silica gel, to tell
you that you had an air leak when they went pink.

We're all doomed!

S

On 11 Sep, 20:24, Rod wrote:

In the US they do have that group of people known as "downwinders" - who
were affected by fallout from tests. The rates of thyroid cancer seem to
be somewhat elevated.

What do you mean "Seem to be" ? St George is a cancer ward

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 11 Sep, 20:24, Rod wrote:

In the US they do have that group of people known as "downwinders" - who
were affected by fallout from tests. The rates of thyroid cancer seem to
be somewhat elevated.

What do you mean "Seem to be" ? St George is a cancer ward

Where did St George come from? I am confused!!!

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

On 12 Sep, 13:24, Rod wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On 11 Sep, 20:24, Rod wrote:

In the US they do have that group of people known as "downwinders" - who
were affected by fallout from tests. The rates of thyroid cancer seem to
be somewhat elevated.

What do you mean "Seem to be" ? *St George is a cancer ward

Where did St George come from? I am confused!!!

Nearest town to the surface tests and nuked until it glowed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George,_Utah

Scary part is that it's now in the top handful of fastest growing
towns in the USA.

Andy Dingley wrote:
On 12 Sep, 13:24, Rod wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On 11 Sep, 20:24, Rod wrote:
In the US they do have that group of people known as "downwinders" - who
were affected by fallout from tests. The rates of thyroid cancer seem to
be somewhat elevated.
What do you mean "Seem to be" ? St George is a cancer ward
Where did St George come from? I am confused!!!

Nearest town to the surface tests and nuked until it glowed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George,_Utah

Scary part is that it's now in the top handful of fastest growing
towns in the USA.

Ah - right, not familiar with place name. The way I got to know anything
was through a personal contact, but he is in Boston area now.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org