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ARWadworth wrote: Not to mention his views on laminate flooring. He will be will sadly missed on this newgroup for both his very good advice and his sense of humour My condolences to his family. Not much I can add to this - sad, sad news indeed :-( Never met him, but have had plenty of "discussions" on here over the years. Best hope for everyones sake heaven isn't paved in laminate or someone will have hell to pay :-) He'll be missed in here, it'll not be the same without him :-( Darren |
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Owain wrote: Andrew Gabriel wrote: What I could do is put together a card with the relevant paragraphs quoted from this thread attached. That would be a nice thing to do, for all of us who aren't in contact with the family. Yes, I agree. Not sure I've anything worth quoting about Andy that hasn't already be said better by others but please, add my name to any card. Darren :-( |
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Owain gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying: The power tools have spun down and the lid of the toolbox closed. Now _that_ is a particularly appropriate line. |
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On 11 Sep, 10:39, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
Folks, I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. He didn't wake up on Friday morning and was taken into hospital, where his condition worsened and the decision was made to switch off life support systems. It's not thought he would have been aware of his situation. I haven't been on this NG for some time but I know Andy was a regular poster. I just saw a thread the other day wondering where he was and now I see this. I'm really sorry. Didn't always agree with his insistence on buying the most expensive tools..lol.. but he did give a lot of good advice including some to my DIY queries. |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message .. . Folks, I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. He didn't wake up on Friday morning and was taken into hospital, where his condition worsened and the decision was made to switch off life support systems. It's not thought he would have been aware of his situation. Andy leaves behind his wife and children and his parents. I'm sure many of us here will also feel his loss deeply, as do his colleagues at Packet Design where he was the Technical Director covering Europe, Middle East, and Africa regions. I spoke with his wife today, and she tells me that she too is into DIY, although probably not quite to the same extent as Andy. Andy was a supporter of the Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre, and his family are directing any donations to the Jim Cronin Memorial Fund which supports it. http://www.monkeyworld.co.uk/topic.p...plate=standard http://www.packetdesign.com/company/...lmemorium.html -- Losing this man leaves a space that will require several to fill. Remembering his opinions on quality power tools was always a welcome read although sometimes infuriating A couple of weeks ago I began looking forward to the next Andy Hall Quality Power Tool 'Seminar' in order to 'offer' something but I've missed that chance now. I'm remembering the Prof Toff, this day. Arthur |
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As a regular lurker and very occassional contributer I'd like to add my
condolences to his family. I always read his posts with interest, although I didn't always agree with him - especially around his view on cheap tools. Anyway, I'll miss the old sod. R.I.P Andy Hall Iain, in Pudsey |
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"Graeme" wrote in message ... Does anyone know how old Andy was? Not old enough. 8-( |
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What sad news. My last message exchange with Andy was a biscuit pun.
Good to have a happy memory. -- Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd. http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ http://www.pherber.com/ |
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To add my name to the list - so sudden, and scarily young.
If it is any consolation for his family, it was better for him to go to sleep and never wake up than to survive disabled as so many do. Andy |
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scribeth thus To add my name to the list - so sudden, and scarily young. If it is any consolation for his family, it was better for him to go to sleep and never wake up than to survive disabled as so many do. Andy Indeed.. but he was just too young;(... -- Tony Sayer |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
... What I could do is put together a card with the relevant paragraphs quoted from this thread attached. It is very touching, I've got quite a lump in my throat just reading through them. I won't do anything until sometime next week, to allow those who dip into the newsgroup less often the opportunity to comment. (May need a little editing to move them from a brash Usenet context to an In Memorium context.) Please put my name on the card too. I've always valued Andy's contribution, and shared his general outlook. I'd like to think that he has contributed more than mere practical advice, but also valuable advice on how best to consider things for yourself. Farewell Andy. -- Ron Lowe |
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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes Folks, I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. Really sorry to hear that I sometimes wondered how he managed to find the time to fit work in around his dedication to uk-diy I met him a couple of times, and he'll be sorely missed -- geoff |
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Andy Champ wrote:
To add my name to the list - so sudden, and scarily young. If it is any consolation for his family, it was better for him to go to sleep and never wake up than to survive disabled as so many do. My father in law went like that. He looked so peaceful the next day. I am not a believer, but if he is there, God bless Andy, I always admired his very knowledgeable posts to this group. Dave |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. He didn't wake up on Friday morning and was taken into hospital, where his condition worsened and the decision was made to switch off life support systems. It's not thought he would have been aware of his situation. Andy, thanks for letting us know. Kind of explains why my "are you ok" email went unanswered! I am deeply saddened by the news. My thoughts are with his family and friends at this time. I think when I first stumbled across uk.d-i-y some six years ago or so, Andy was one of the first posters that truly made a lasting impression on me, and he helped set the tone for the group as a whole. I was thrilled to have found such a great collection of like minded people with wide and diverse interests and knowledge who were so willing to devote their time. Andy's devotion to providing detailed and comprehensive answers to questions even when from people just "dropping in" to the newsgroup was inspiring, and I felt a yardstick by which ones contributions could be measured. I will miss not only his detailed contributions, and advice, but also the humour, and the joy of someone else who liked the occasional bad pun as well! -- John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of
Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. He didn't wake up on Friday morning and was taken into hospital, where his condition worsened and the decision was made to switch off life support systems. It's not thought he would have been aware of his situation. Poor sod, he'll be missed greatly :-( The one saving grace is hopefully he won't have suffered too much :-/ RIP Andy |
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:39:41 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Folks, I'm really sad to report that Andy died ... Damn. I don't know what to say, but I'll try to say it all the same. I was fortunate to meet him at one or two of the Thames Valley meets, must've been a few years ago. I liked him. I think if I'd only had his posts to the group to go by I might have found his rather right-wing views[1] disagreeable, though that only came through in a few threads - I recall discussions on postal services, and how the private sector was almost by definition superior to the public sector (although Andy made it clear he was speaking from his own experience: he never came across to me as a bull****ter). I did find his views of parts of Reading I drive through and work in as being no-go areas comparable to the warlord strongholds of Baghdad rather comical! Oh and I do wish he'd left off those interminable ding-dong "you're a plant-pot" altercations with Dr Drivel. I used to stop reading by the time the Subject line had got indented so far it disappeared in the newsreader's threaded-view :-) And that's about all I can say about him that's less than eulogistic, and other contributors have spoken much better than I can of Andy's prolific, informed, helpful, expert contribution to this group and elsewhere. I suppose if you can't die instantly in an accident with a monstrous angle-grinder then Andy's was at least mercifully swift, but what a blow for his family. And for us all, in a relatively tiny way. I'd been thinking of suggesting another local meet but never got the round tuits. Maybe we should have one of these for him: http://yaph.co.uk/Andy_Hall/Andy.jpg (Bloody awful photo: that's what you get for not buying a top-quality camera :-)) [1] as in economic libertarian rather than social authoritarian: I didn't get the impression Andy would have wanted to or approved of dictating anyone's personal lives to them. -- John Stumbles |
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:39:41 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Folks, I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. He didn't wake up on Friday morning and was taken into hospital, where his condition worsened and the decision was made to switch off life support systems. It's not thought he would have been aware of his situation. Andy leaves behind his wife and children and his parents. I'm sure many of us here will also feel his loss deeply, as do his colleagues at Packet Design where he was the Technical Director covering Europe, Middle East, and Africa regions. I spoke with his wife today, and she tells me that she too is into DIY, although probably not quite to the same extent as Andy. Andy was a supporter of the Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre, and his family are directing any donations to the Jim Cronin Memorial Fund which supports it. http://www.monkeyworld.co.uk/topic.p...plate=standard http://www.packetdesign.com/company/...lmemorium.html ======================================== Highly respected. "The Singer, not (always) the song." Cic. -- ======================================== Using Ubuntu Linux Windows shown the door ======================================== |
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The Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:01:24 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote: "S Viemeister" wrote in message ... Andrew Gabriel wrote: ... Thank you for letting us know. I had wondered where he was, and was considering posting to ask if he was okay. His contributions here will be missed. Yes, I'm very sorry and it would be good if his family could be sent our condolences. Mary Here Here! Or has he woud have instantly correcte you.. Hear Hear! |
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On 11 Sep 2008 17:41:03 GMT, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
What I could do is put together a card with the relevant paragraphs quoted from this thread attached. Please add my name. I can't think of any thing to say that hasn't been said already. Farewell Andy, we never met but you will be missed. -- Cheers Dave. |
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writes Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Andy Cap writes: Beautifully put. May I take the opportunity to add my condolences. The response here has been truly touching and as other have said, I hope his family can see the appreciative sentiment expressed in this NG. What I could do is put together a card with the relevant paragraphs quoted from this thread attached. It is very touching, I've got quite a lump in my throat just reading through them. I won't do anything until sometime next week, to allow those who dip into the newsgroup less often the opportunity to comment. (May need a little editing to move them from a brash Usenet context to an In Memorium context.) I've always admired and respected Andy's posts, and he will be a great loss to the newsgroup. I met him a number of times at the DIY meetings we had in London and Berkshire areas. His area of business was similar to mine, although we never actually worked together on anything. However, I did use him as a voice of reason and logical thought when I was weighing up two slightly different career paths, where his advice was just as valuable as his comments here have always been. I will certainly miss him, and my thoughts are with his parents, wife, and children. I am now thoroughly annoyed with myself. No such meeting having been mentioned in ages, I had thought to suggest one earlier this summer. (Circumstance made this difficult, so I did not do so.) I certainly would like to have met Andy. I am finding it poignant that those posts of his that I most appreciated were on OT health issues. Just goes to show that once the "If onlys" have gone, they are gone and that you only get one go Andy put a fair amount into that one go (even if he could have fitted a bit more in without his crusade against the NHS, in whose care I presume he spent his last hours) Maybe a wake up call for some of us -- geoff |
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writes In article , "Simon Stroud" writes: Thanks for letting us know this terrible and shocking news Andrew. I will certainly miss his expert contributions on many many subjects, and of course the occasional entertaining run-ins with "Dr Drivel", etc. His contributions were often laced with his wicked sense of humour. I never met the guy but had a great respect for his views and advice. He steered me towards several excellent products with his constant search for perfection - boilers, garage doors, fridges particularly spring to mind. I'm sorry I never made it to one of the uk.d-i-y meets - sadly I won't now have the chance to put a face to the name. It's little consolation for not being there, but there are some picture which Geoff took at one of the London meetings on my website at http://www.cucumber.demon.co.uk/diy_london/ Bloody hell - that was a while ago Strange how he seems to be in most of the photos -- geoff |
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Im truly saddened to hear this
I had a number of disagreements with Andy over differing points of view, but despite this it was obvious to me he was a gentleman with great integrity and knowledge covering many subjects, that he was able and willing to share with other people on this group. My heartfelt condolences go to his family and all his friends. Mark - |
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On 11 Sep, 10:39, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
Folks, I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. He didn't wake up on Friday morning and was taken into hospital, where his condition worsened and the decision was made to switch off life support systems. It's not thought he would have been aware of his situation. Andy leaves behind his wife and children and his parents. I'm sure many of us here will also feel his loss deeply, as do his colleagues at Packet Design where he was the Technical Director covering Europe, Middle East, and Africa regions. I spoke with his wife today, and she tells me that she too is into DIY, although probably not quite to the same extent as Andy. Andy was a supporter of the Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre, and his family are directing any donations to the Jim Cronin Memorial Fund which supports it.http://www.monkeyworld.co.uk/topic.p...plate=standard http://www.packetdesign.com/company/...lmemorium.html -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] I think like you all I have followed the enquiries as the Andy's whereabouts with increasing concern, and to find that he has died is truly a great loss. The list of contributors to this thread covers all the regular members and more, and is a true reflection of the respect we all hold for him. I remember his ding-dongs with Dr Drivel - where is he? who is he?; perhaps DD is a pen name for one of us here just to drive Andy up the wall. And then his total resistance to anything that wasn't the best, which was all very well if you could afford that, but he wasn't prepared to compromise. So sorry - the world is a poorer place. My thought are with his family - and so young too. Rob |
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I, and thousands of manufacturers and retailers of cheap Chinese tools
will miss Andy. My sincere condolences to his family and real-world friends. Mike Harding -- "S'ils te mordent, mords-les" |
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dennis@home wrote:
"Graeme" wrote Does anyone know how old Andy was? Not old enough. 8-( Certainly not old enough. I'd put him at about 55 or 56. I didn't know Andy other than through his articles here, but I must have met him. It emerged in a thread a few years back that we overlapped as undergraduates at Bangor in the 70s. Google's archive records him saying he was there from '72 to '75. The month's silence was ominous, and the news is quite a shock. I add my condolences. -- Andy |
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As a relative new comer and lurker, I can see how much of a loss this
will be not only to this group but also, undoubtedly, to those closer to Andy. Not to mention the manufacturers and vendors of premium tools. A sad loss all round. RIP Andy. |
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GMM wrote:
As a relative new comer and lurker, I can see how much of a loss this will be not only to this group but also, undoubtedly, to those closer to Andy. Not to mention the manufacturers and vendors of premium tools. A sad loss all round. RIP Andy. I've been arguing with Andy for longer than I care to remember, but I don't think we ever fell out. Despite not agreeing on anything, I shall miss his consistency and reasoned arguments |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Andy Cap writes: Beautifully put. May I take the opportunity to add my condolences. The response here has been truly touching and as other have said, I hope his family can see the appreciative sentiment expressed in this NG. What I could do is put together a card with the relevant paragraphs quoted from this thread attached. It is very touching, I've got quite a lump in my throat just reading through them. I won't do anything until sometime next week, to allow those who dip into the newsgroup less often the opportunity to comment. (May need a little editing to move them from a brash Usenet context to an In Memorium context.) Maybe we should engrave a summary on a piece of laminate flooring with an Aldi Dremel clone? That would make him laugh. I still can't believe it. So sad. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:16:35 +0100, stuart noble
wrote: I've been arguing with Andy for longer than I care to remember, but I don't think we ever fell out. Despite not agreeing on anything, I shall miss his consistency and reasoned arguments If there is any form of continued existence I suspect their QC department is going to have a real problem on their hands when they have to explain to Andy his re-location was due to faulty pipework. |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Folks, I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. Oh, wow. Having been aware of Andy's absence for the last few weeks, as soon as I saw Andrew's email header I had that sinking feeling in my stomach. What a sad loss. Andy will really be missed round here; he's certainly helped me out on diy stuff over the years on more occasions than I can begin to count. Please convey my sympathy to his family, too. David |
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I'm late to the wake, but I'll add my own condolences to the family,
and also say that he'll be missed. I can only aspire to the thoughtful and knowledgeable contributions he made to uk.d-i-y. I'm glad that people like him take the time and trouble to help others using his extensive experience. As others have said, a gentleman, and the kind of person who makes life better for everyone, not just himself. Sid. |
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Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:16:35 +0100, stuart noble wrote: I've been arguing with Andy for longer than I care to remember, but I don't think we ever fell out. Despite not agreeing on anything, I shall miss his consistency and reasoned arguments If there is any form of continued existence I suspect their QC department is going to have a real problem on their hands when they have to explain to Andy his re-location was due to faulty pipework. Resting in peace? I don't think so somehow :-) |
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Like everyone I can only say that is truly bad news.
I enjoyed his contributions here; his clear thinking, tenacity of expression, a determination never to settle for second best. -- djc |
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Andrew Gabriel wrote: I spoke with his wife today, and she tells me that she too is into DIY, although probably not quite to the same extent as Andy. I've already expressed my respects and condolences in an earlier post, but Andrew's sentence which I quote here made me stop and think further. I wonder just *how* technically minded Mrs Hall is - and how well she understands the various innovations which Andy will have introduced to their home. For example, I know from his post that he had a fairly sophisticated control system on his central heating, with effectively one zone per room. Does she know how to adjust that when needed, etc.? And the same must surely apply to many of us, if we have wives/partners who are less technical than we are. If any of us were to go to bed one night in seemingly good health - but wake up dead the next morning like poor old Andy - how well would our partners cope with things like programmable thermostats, not to mention computer networks, audio/video distribution systems, internet banking arrangements, etc. etc. I do, from time to time, try to prepare for such an eventuality by documenting stuff and putting it in a safe place - but the trouble is that much of it goes out of date quite quickly. What do others do? -- Cheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! |
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"Roger Mills" wrote in message ... I wonder just *how* technically minded Mrs Hall is - and how well she understands the various innovations which Andy will have introduced to their home. I think that shows a lack of understanding of women. For example, I know from his post that he had a fairly sophisticated control system on his central heating, with effectively one zone per room. Does she know how to adjust that when needed, etc.? Since he was away for much of the time I'm sure she does. And the same must surely apply to many of us, if we have wives/partners who are less technical than we are. If any of us were to go to bed one night in seemingly good health - but wake up dead the next morning like poor old Andy - how well would our partners cope with things like programmable thermostats, Oh for goodness sake! I'm not at all alone in having no problem with such things. I just wouldn't want to have to do any actual re-plumbing, luckily I have plenty of sons who are capable and willing to do that (aka show off how clever they are to their poor frail white haired old mother - who taught them much of it). not to mention computer networks, audio/video distribution systems, internet banking arrangements, etc. etc. Has it occurred to you that many husbands have no idea about these? Mine for instance, has always left finance to me and if he has a computer problem comes to ask me to fix it - even though he built the few we've had. As for more important things like baking, cooking etc., he *could* do it but I doubt that he would ever make more than a pizza. I once stayed with some very wealthy friends in Puget Sound. The wife, musing, asked her husband, if she died first, would he ever change the bed linen? He thought a bit and said that he supposed he wouldn't. The other husbands at that dinner party all said the same. Some things simply don't occur to men. Some men. Same applies to some women but I do object to men making assumptions. Mary |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:28:53 UTC, "Roger Mills"
wrote: I wonder just *how* technically minded Mrs Hall is - and how well she understands the various innovations which Andy will have introduced to their home. For example, I know from his post that he had a fairly sophisticated control system on his central heating, with effectively one zone per room. Does she know how to adjust that when needed, etc.? I suspect so...I understand that Andy travelled a fair amount. And the same must surely apply to many of us, if we have wives/partners who are less technical than we are. If any of us were to go to bed one night in seemingly good health - but wake up dead the next morning like poor old Andy - how well would our partners cope with things like programmable thermostats, not to mention computer networks, audio/video distribution systems, internet banking arrangements, etc. etc. The only thing my wife doesn't have full information about is the computers and networks. But she educates people to HND level in computing (not IT) so that's lucky. That, and the logbook for each of the 12 main machines in the house, plus one for the network, contains all she needs. I reviewed all this when I had my last^H^H^H^H most recent cancer diagnosis last January. Nothing serious (so far) but made me stop and think! -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message .. . Folks, I'm really sad to report that Andy died in the early hours of Saturday 9th August following a massive stroke. He didn't wake up on Friday morning and was taken into hospital, where his condition worsened and the decision was made to switch off life support systems. It's not thought he would have been aware of his situation. I suspect you can be forgiven from all on uk d-i-y for getting the days wrong on Andy's demise. :-( |
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