Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no bother
I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all aluminium
framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket to this type
of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought it would just have
been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and bolt it on, but would
love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought it
would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and bolt it
on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

Is he a chav? Chav's tend to want them over their fireplace.

Persuade him to get a decent stand for it.

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"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought it
would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and bolt it
on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

Is he a chav? Chav's tend to want them over their fireplace.

Persuade him to get a decent stand for it.


I thought the Chavs bought stands for them. ;-)

By the way, the plural of Chav does not need an apostrophe ...

.... unless the writer is a chav. ;-)

SantaUK wrote:
Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no bother
I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all aluminium
framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket to this type
of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought it would just have
been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and bolt it on, but would
love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK



Seriously, get your mate to do some research. If he *really* wants to
spend his time straining his neck at something half-way up his wall,
then fair enough; If not, get him to buy a stand and watch with
(sitting) eye-level central on screen.

"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought it
would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and bolt it
on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK


I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more, before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy, and I'm
not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of load in a
direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a good fix
directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought it
would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and bolt it
on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK


I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more, before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy, and I'm
not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of load in a
direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a good fix
directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa


not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

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Reply address works

Mike Dodd wrote:


Seriously, get your mate to do some research. If he *really* wants to
spend his time straining his neck at something half-way up his wall,
then fair enough; If not, get him to buy a stand and watch with
(sitting) eye-level central on screen.

Fairy Snuff, we wall mounted ours, (due to having a trio of Siamese cats
which tend to break anything not nailed down) and haven't really noticed
it being a problem.

Having said that though, I find my neck hurts more when I have to look
*down* at a screen - which seems to be the recommended option?

Lee

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Arfa Daily wrote:
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought
it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK


I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more, before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy, and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:
"Kevin" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought
it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more, before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy, and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Arfa


I have seen plenty of crt types on walls admittedly not in many homes
wall cabinets where every where when we looked at the house I am in and
some were huge defiantly bigger than a mirror

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

In uk.d-i-y, Arfa Daily wrote:
One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on a
wall.

No, you hang a shelf on the wall and put the TV on that. Metal shelves
designed expressly for that purpose are widely available. The wall
carries the weight whichever way you do it.

--
Mike Barnes

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Arfa Daily wrote:
"Kevin" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house,
thought it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could
nut and bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more,
before committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very
heavy, and I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that
sort of load in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you
could get a good fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on
a wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to
get hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an
awful lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Arfa
I have seen plenty of crt types on walls admittedly not in many homes wall
cabinets where every where when we looked at the house I am in and some
were huge defiantly bigger than a mirror

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Well, ok, if you say so. I was just venturing an opinion based on living in
and working on all kinds of houses with different construction methods for
the last 40 years or so, and working with and lifting flat screen TV sets
since they appeared. If the OP can get a good fix direct to the frame, or
better, the wall behind if that is a solid brick or block type, he may be
ok, but I'd hate him to come down in the morning to find that his new 3
grand pride and joy was on the floor, along with the wall it was hanging on
....

Arfa

SantaUK wrote in


Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a
house, thought it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe
I could nut and bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this
one.

If it fails to hang three times, does it get a reprieve?

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought it
would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and bolt it
on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

How about quality struts from floor to ceiling fixed at the top and bottom
(ceiling joists and floor, and through the alum's framing behind. Then hang
the TV off that.

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SantaUK wrote in


Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a
house, thought it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe
I could nut and bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this
one.

If it fails to hang three times, does it get a reprieve?

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

I wouldn't trust it even if you seemed to get a good fix - once someone
starts stabbing the buttons or roughly handling the plugs and leads, I think
you will have a pile of junk.

A mate had one fitted professionally when they were new on the market. The
fitters drilled right through the wall of his Victorian house and bolted
through to a metal plate on the other side. It was an adjustable bracket
though.

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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. *Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. *Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. *Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall bracket
to this type of frame. *I was shocked to find this in a house, thought
it would just have been timber. *I was thinking maybe I could nut and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more, before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy, and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Nor do they need to.

MBQ

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Arfa Daily wrote:
"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought
it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more,
before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy, and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an
awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Nor do they need to.

MBQ

Not sure I'm quite following that ...

Arfa

"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
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In uk.d-i-y, Arfa Daily wrote:
One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on a
wall.

No, you hang a shelf on the wall and put the TV on that. Metal shelves
designed expressly for that purpose are widely available. The wall
carries the weight whichever way you do it.

--
Mike Barnes

Again, if you say so. Amongst my many friends both past and present - and
some of them have 'Bohemian' ideas with regard to decor, to say the least -
I can't think of a single one now or past, that has ever had a TV set bigger
than a portable, on any kind of wall shelf. I certainly wouldn't consider
putting my 37" CRT Tosh, on any kind of shelf free-fixed to a wall, no
matter what it was made of ...

I'm not sure quite where you are finding all of these "widely available"
shelves for large CRT TV sets. I had a quick look on the 'net, and couldn't
find a single one, even at the places which specialise in TV stands and
mounting brackets. I can't think either of any of the shops that I do
repairs for, ever carrying such an item.

Arfa

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"Kevin" wrote in message

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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house, thought
it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more,
before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy, and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an
awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Nor do they need to.

MBQ

Not sure I'm quite following that ...

Arfa

Gravity pulls downwards.

MBQ

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"Kevin" wrote in message

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Arfa Daily wrote:
"SantaUK" wrote in message
om...
Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house,
thought
it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more,
before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy,
and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of
load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a
good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set on
a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an
awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Nor do they need to.

MBQ

Not sure I'm quite following that ...

Arfa

Gravity pulls downwards.

MBQ

As the centre of gravity will be a distance (small maybe) from the wall,
this will create a turning moment around the bottom of the bracket -
effectively pulling the top fixings from the wall.

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"Kevin" wrote in message

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Arfa Daily wrote:
"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house,
thought
it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut
and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more,
before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy,
and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of
load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a
good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set
on a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to
get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an
awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Nor do they need to.

MBQ

Not sure I'm quite following that ...

Arfa

Gravity pulls downwards.

MBQ

As the centre of gravity will be a distance (small maybe) from the wall,
this will create a turning moment around the bottom of the bracket -
effectively pulling the top fixings from the wall.


Yes indeed, and that was the point that I was making. If the set is fixed to
the internal frame of the wall, that turning moment will try to bend that
frame outwards, and I am not sure that that type of wall would stand a force
in that direction, without succumbing and bending.

Arfa

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Arfa Daily wrote:
"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall - no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house,
thought
it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut
and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more,
before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very heavy,
and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of
load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a
good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set
on a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to
get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an
awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Nor do they need to.

MBQ

Not sure I'm quite following that ...

Arfa

Gravity pulls downwards.

MBQ

As the centre of gravity will be a distance (small maybe) from the wall,
this will create a turning moment around the bottom of the bracket -
effectively pulling the top fixings from the wall.

Yes indeed, and that was the point that I was making. If the set is fixed to
the internal frame of the wall, that turning moment will try to bend that
frame outwards, and I am not sure that that type of wall would stand a force
in that direction, without succumbing and bending.

Arfa

But the point you conveniently missed is that most of the weight (and
force) is still downwards on the bottom fixings.

How much does the telly weigh? If it's sufficient that the "turning
moment" on the top fixings is 30kg as you stated then I would stand it
on the floor!

MBQ

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"SantaUK" wrote in message
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Hi guys

Looking for some advice. Mate wants his 50" plasma on the wall -
no
bother I thought. Until I discovered his partition walls are all
aluminium framing. Is there any reasonable way to attach a wall
bracket
to this type of frame. I was shocked to find this in a house,
thought
it would just have been timber. I was thinking maybe I could nut
and
bolt it on, but would love to hear folks tips on this one.

Cheers folks

SantaUK

I would give this very serious thought first, and then some more,
before
committing to doing it. Plasma TV sets of that size are very
heavy,
and
I'm not convinced that an ally framed wall would take that sort of
load
in a direction that it's not designed for, even if you could get a
good
fix directly to the framing rails ...

Arfa
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

--
Kevin R
Reply address works

Not really the point here though. One doesn't normally hang a CRT set
on a
wall. In fact in general, nothing much heavier than a mirror used to
get
hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV sets, which are an
awful
lot heavier than a mirror ...

When ally framed walls were invented, I doubt that the creators were
speccing for outward-pulling loads of 30 kg or more.

Nor do they need to.

MBQ

Not sure I'm quite following that ...

Arfa

Gravity pulls downwards.

MBQ

As the centre of gravity will be a distance (small maybe) from the wall,
this will create a turning moment around the bottom of the bracket -
effectively pulling the top fixings from the wall.

Yes indeed, and that was the point that I was making. If the set is fixed
to
the internal frame of the wall, that turning moment will try to bend that
frame outwards, and I am not sure that that type of wall would stand a
force
in that direction, without succumbing and bending.

Arfa

But the point you conveniently missed is that most of the weight (and
force) is still downwards on the bottom fixings.

How much does the telly weigh? If it's sufficient that the "turning
moment" on the top fixings is 30kg as you stated then I would stand it
on the floor!

MBQ

This part of the thread came about as a result of someone stating that it
was common to find large screen CRT sets sitting on free wall-mounted
shelves. Such a TV weighs *considerably* more than 30kg and, short of using
expansion bolts direct into a brick or block wall, I for one would not want
to risk hanging one on the wall via shelf fixings. On the other hand, a
largish - say 42" - plasma TV does weigh around 30kg which, whilst still a
significant amount, is nothing like as much as a large CRT set. Further, the
many types of wall mounting brackets for these have multi fixing points over
a (relatively) large area to spread the load on the wall and the fixings.
Even given all this, I still stand by my original contention that fixing one
to an ally framed wall, requires careful consideration, and planning of the
type and locations of the fixings.

As far as most of the weight being borne by the lower fixings, this is true,
but only emphasises the point that the load is not evenly spread across the
fixings, as might be the 'obvious' conclusion. Further, the turning moment
will also ensure that a fair bit of the downward force is also turned
inwards, so between the top and bottom fixings, it will be trying to turn
the wall into an "S" shape.

Don't get me wrong. I fully accept that many people do fix plasma and LCD
sets to all types of wall, and for the most part, successfully. I just felt
that with the type of wall under consideration in this case, some careful
thought needed giving to what, on the face of it, would seem a
straightforward job. Especially as the OP was going to be doing it as a
favour for someone else ... d;~}

Arfa

In uk.d-i-y, Arfa Daily wrote:
This part of the thread came about as a result of someone stating that it
was common to find large screen CRT sets sitting on free wall-mounted
shelves.

Looking at the threading, it seems that that "someone" was me. I did say
something like that, but not the "large screen" bit, which I think you
imagined.

In the message I was replying to you said "nothing much heavier than a
mirror used to get hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV
sets". In my experience your average portable (not "large screen") TV,
of the sort that is commonly wall-mounted, is rather heavier than your
average mirror. Additionally its centre of gravity is considerably
further from the wall, making it more difficult than a mirror to mount
securely.

--
Mike Barnes

On Aug 7, 2:17*pm, "Arfa Daily" wrote:
not as heavy as the usual CRT types my 42" is lighter than the 32"
wide-screen it replaced

This part of the thread came about as a result of someone stating that it
was common to find large screen CRT sets sitting on free wall-mounted

No, read the bit of the thread I left quoted above. It was s imple
comparison of weight. No one said anything about it being common to
wall mount large CRt sets

thought needed giving to what, on the face of it, would seem a
straightforward job. Especially as the OP was going to be doing it as a
favour for someone else ... * *d;~}

I agree, but if the telly only weighs 30kg, the *outward* force will
be nothing like 30kg.

MBQ

"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
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In uk.d-i-y, Arfa Daily wrote:
This part of the thread came about as a result of someone stating that it
was common to find large screen CRT sets sitting on free wall-mounted
shelves.

Looking at the threading, it seems that that "someone" was me. I did say
something like that, but not the "large screen" bit, which I think you
imagined.

In the message I was replying to you said "nothing much heavier than a
mirror used to get hung on a wall before the advent of flat screen TV
sets". In my experience your average portable (not "large screen") TV,
of the sort that is commonly wall-mounted, is rather heavier than your
average mirror. Additionally its centre of gravity is considerably
further from the wall, making it more difficult than a mirror to mount
securely.

--
Mike Barnes

Well I'm sorry, but I think that's being a bit silly then. :-) The entire
thread had been about hanging bloody great plasma TV sets on an ally framed
wall, and then you came in with your post about CRT sets. The exact bit that
you were replying to was a comment made by me in regard to Kevin saying that
his new 42" flatscreen was lighter than his old 32" CRT set. I was pointing
out that such a CRT set size was not typically fixed to a wall, and you came
back with your statement about fixing shelves to the wall, and then sticking
the TV on them. So whilst you do not refer to large screen CRT sets
directly, as you were replying to a comment that *was* specifically in their
regard, then the inference has to be that you too were talking about large
screen CRT sets, and it was not something that I "imagined".

Of course portables get put on shelves in kitchens and bedrooms, and always
have done, but then they don't weigh tuppence ha'penny. You can raise one
over your head on one hand. Any shelf that you put one on will be secured by
probably 4 or more fixing points, as will any custom arm-supported mount, so
the relatively light weight of the set will be reasonably well spread around
the fixings, even given that its c of g is several inches out from the wall.
However, that said, unless it's fixed properly to a 'weak' wall such as one
that is plasterboard faced, the result could still be that the top fixings
get pulled out.

I do accept your point about mirrors though. It was a somewhat 'throw away'
comment on my part, and probably not properly thought through in regard to
the whole scenario. But many modern mirrors are quite heavy - a warehouse
local to me sells many designs that are 4 foot or more across - and these
probably weigh as much as a portable TV, and get hung on one or maybe two
screws, so probably exert as much destructive force on the fixings as the TV
shelf, even though the c of g is closer to the wall.

Arfa