I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

On 7 Jul, 13:21, wrote:
I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

dishwasher - it's a kitchen! tumbel driers too noisy & hot for "out in
the open" use

HIH

Jim

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I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

If it was just which out the two is more useful, tumble drier. In a kitchen,
dishwasher as you can generally find somewhere for a tumble dryer or get a
washer dryer.

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wrote:
I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

No question about it. Dishwasher.

Everyone hates washing/drying and a dishwasher lets you get rid of everything
at once so when "entertaining" it's like a cupboad for dirty crockery.

Garages are for tumbledriers if space is tight.
Washing lines are for drying clothes if there is no space for a t/drier.
:¬)

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writes:
I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

Dishwasher.
Never yet found the need for a tumble drier.

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On 7 Jul, 13:21, wrote:
I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

Even ignoring the appalling waste of collective resources of tumble
drying, simple self-interest based on rising leccy costs is rapidly
making tumble driers look like a bit of a relic, whereas dishwashers
still make sense.

Anyway, why not save yourself a few hundred quid and leave an empty
hole with plumbing and power so they can make the choice?

Martin Pentreath wrote:

Anyway, why not save yourself a few hundred quid and leave an empty
hole with plumbing and power so they can make the choice?

Good point.
the all important sales line... "Plumbing for blah blah blah"

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On 2008-07-07 21:39:28 +0100, Martin Pentreath
said:

On 7 Jul, 13:21, wrote:
I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

Even ignoring the appalling waste of collective resources of tumble
drying,

Huh? What collective resources? The user pays for the electricity.


simple self-interest based on rising leccy costs is rapidly
making tumble driers look like a bit of a relic, whereas dishwashers
still make sense.

That depends on time and convenience vs. electricity cost


Anyway, why not save yourself a few hundred quid and leave an empty
hole with plumbing and power so they can make the choice?

That is probably a good idea.

On Jul 7, 5:01*pm, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * writes:

I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

Dishwasher.
Never yet found the need for a tumble drier.

a no contest no brainer.


NT
PS http://www.wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index....=Clothes_Dryer

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:39:28 -0700 (PDT), Martin Pentreath
wrote:

On 7 Jul, 13:21, wrote:
I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

Even ignoring the appalling waste of collective resources of tumble
drying, simple self-interest based on rising leccy costs is rapidly
making tumble driers look like a bit of a relic, whereas dishwashers
still make sense.

Our local water company (Northumbrian Water) periodically send out a
freebie magazine to their consumers about, would you believe, water.

They once had an article about dishwashers being a bit wasteful of
water and things, yet in the same edition they had a competition where
you could win a dishwasher...


It's a bit like the local evening rag which regularly campaigns for
healthy eating (in an area where pies, pasties and sausage rolls seem
to be 'de rigeur' amongst the pushchair-pushing types) - they
occasionally have 'sponsored' competitions (fsvo) to win a free
pasty...

--
Frank Erskine

On 7 Jul, 21:49, Andy Hall wrote:

Huh? * What collective resources? *The user pays for the electricity.

True, but the rest of us (and our offspring) pay for the consquences
of unnecessary CO2 being released. I think tumble drying clothes is
something future generations will read about with disbelief.

Martin Pentreath wrote:
On 7 Jul, 21:49, Andy Hall wrote:

Huh? What collective resources? The user pays for the electricity.

True, but the rest of us (and our offspring) pay for the consquences
of unnecessary CO2 being released. I think tumble drying clothes is
something future generations will read about with disbelief.

There should be plenty of tumble driers to choose from down the tip when
higher electricity costs start to bite.

Martin Pentreath wrote:

I think tumble drying clothes is something future generations will read
about with disbelief.

**** 'em I won't be around to read about their disbelief. And they
aren't doing anything to help with the problems we have to face.

And if a few more people could stop having children there wouldn't be a
problem.

I did think about leaving the hole all plumbed up but empty, but when
you're selling the least little thing can put a buyer off and I think
filling the hole makes more sense in that respect. Anyway, a
dishwasher seems to be the consensus, so I'll go with that.

On 2008-07-08 15:46:03 +0100, Martin Pentreath
said:

On 7 Jul, 21:49, Andy Hall wrote:

Huh? * What collective resources? *The user pays for the electricity.

True, but the rest of us (and our offspring) pay for the consquences
of unnecessary CO2 being released. I think tumble drying clothes is
something future generations will read about with disbelief.

That's easily fixed with nuclear generation.

Realistically, there is not going to be a significant reduction in
energy consumption in industrial nations or would be industrial
nations. People are not going to be willing to play along with this
in a meaningful way all the time that there are bogus arguments and
green marketing.

So, no I don't think that future generations will read in disbelief
about tumble drying. I do think they will wonder why people of our
generation titted around with windmills and silly lightbulbs when
neither did anything worthwhile and diverted time, attention and
resources away from solutions that can comfortably address the
requirements of the modern age and not require a return to mediaeval
times.

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:21:01 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

It seems a strange concept to decide on a purchase of kitchen
equipment based on the resale value of your house.

Might it not be better to knock the whole house down and sell the plot
of land? That way the potential purchaser would have a totally clean
slate upon which to base his offer.

Besides, do people include gadgets when they sell a house? OK, when I
bought this one the CH boiler was included, as was a gas fire in the
living room :-)

To me, a house is to live in...

--
Frank Erskine

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:45:25 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:21:01 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

It seems a strange concept to decide on a purchase of kitchen
equipment based on the resale value of your house.

Might it not be better to knock the whole house down and sell the plot
of land? That way the potential purchaser would have a totally clean
slate upon which to base his offer.

Besides, do people include gadgets when they sell a house? OK, when I
bought this one the CH boiler was included, as was a gas fire in the
living room :-)

To me, a house is to live in...

I think we're getting back to this situation. However in recent
history houses have been the playthings for the rich.

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Frank Erskine wrote:

To me, a house is to live in...


What a quaint notion :-)

In message 4873dbdb@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes
On 2008-07-08 15:46:03 +0100, Martin Pentreath
said:

On 7 Jul, 21:49, Andy Hall wrote:

Huh? * What collective resources? *The user pays for the
electricity.
True, but the rest of us (and our offspring) pay for the consquences
of unnecessary CO2 being released. I think tumble drying clothes is
something future generations will read about with disbelief.

That's easily fixed with nuclear generation.

Realistically, there is not going to be a significant reduction in
energy consumption in industrial nations or would be industrial
nations. People are not going to be willing to play along with this in
a meaningful way all the time that there are bogus arguments and green
marketing.

So, no I don't think that future generations will read in disbelief
about tumble drying. I do think they will wonder why people of our
generation titted around with windmills and silly lightbulbs when
neither did anything worthwhile and diverted time, attention and
resources away from solutions that can comfortably address the
requirements of the modern age and not require a return to mediaeval times.

Of course, those of us who use gas central heating could be a bit
buggered without a workable replacement infrastructure when e.g. Russia
goes into a serious strop or starts using gas prices as a more serious
political weapon



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geoff

On 2008-07-11 23:41:43 +0100, geoff said:

In message 4873dbdb@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes
On 2008-07-08 15:46:03 +0100, Martin Pentreath
said:

On 7 Jul, 21:49, Andy Hall wrote:

Huh? * What collective resources? *The user pays for the electricity.
True, but the rest of us (and our offspring) pay for the consquences
of unnecessary CO2 being released. I think tumble drying clothes is
something future generations will read about with disbelief.

That's easily fixed with nuclear generation.

Realistically, there is not going to be a significant reduction in
energy consumption in industrial nations or would be industrial
nations. People are not going to be willing to play along with this in
a meaningful way all the time that there are bogus arguments and green
marketing.

So, no I don't think that future generations will read in disbelief
about tumble drying. I do think they will wonder why people of our
generation titted around with windmills and silly lightbulbs when
neither did anything worthwhile and diverted time, attention and
resources away from solutions that can comfortably address the
requirements of the modern age and not require a return to mediaeval
times.

Of course, those of us who use gas central heating could be a bit
buggered without a workable replacement infrastructure when e.g. Russia
goes into a serious strop or starts using gas prices as a more serious
political weapon

Indeed. Here are my predictions:

Within the next few months the Litvinenko affair will be silently
dropped and more deals will be done with Gazprom and others. Medium
term President Obama will be meeting with President Medvedev as will
Prime Minister Cameron. At the same time, Prime Minister Cameron
will be streamlining planning processes for nuclear generation sites
and facilitating industry discussions with Areva to rebuild a nuclear
generating capacity. Green generation will be "given a chance" but
will never become significant as a source of generation in the larger
populated industrial nations.

Eventually there will be a market for drop in replacement boilers that
will go in place of an existing gas one and drive a wet central heating
system. In a lot of properties, the 10-15kW needed for space heating
will be achievable from an existing supply. That would also be
reasonable for re-heating HW cylinders. Properties with instant HW
systems would need 3 phase which would be a challenge on a large scale.

wrote:
I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point of
view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

I've got both so let me think......... umm. Dishes can be cleaned by
hand. Clothes can't be dried by hand and clotheslines don't work outside
of summer.

I'd say get a condensing tumble dryer. I use mine during winter when
drying outside just doesn't happen. We used to have masses of damp
washing hanging around the house on drying frames and radiators. Quite
often the heating would have to be run far more than needed to try and
get things dry with the resulting moisture turning the DBG windows into
waterfalls.

Drying clothes in winter is a nightmare. The condensing dryer keeps the
heat that it generates inside the house contributing to the heating of
the house. My electricity is sourced from Good Energy so no C02
emmissions and during summer I use the big free dryer in the sky.

Oh, my dishwasher uses less water to wash a load than I do when using
bowls of water.

Rob Horton wrote:

wrote:
I have a spare 600mm space in the new kitchen I'm installing and I'm
wondering what people think would be best to install from the point
of view of selling the house - dishwasher or tumble drier?

I've got both so let me think......... umm. Dishes can be cleaned by
hand. Clothes can't be dried by hand and clotheslines don't work
outside of summer.

I'd say get a condensing tumble dryer. I use mine during winter when
drying outside just doesn't happen. We used to have masses of damp
washing hanging around the house on drying frames and radiators.
Quite often the heating would have to be run far more than needed to
try and get things dry with the resulting moisture turning the DBG
windows into waterfalls.

Drying clothes in winter is a nightmare. The condensing dryer keeps
the heat that it generates inside the house contributing to the
heating of the house. My electricity is sourced from Good Energy so
no C02 emmissions and during summer I use the big free dryer in the
sky.

Oh, my dishwasher uses less water to wash a load than I do when using
bowls of water.

You've got the wrong clothes then. My British made Doubletwo shirts dry
on a cloth hanger, in the airing cupboard as does my British made
trousers.

The proble I do have is with the china manufactured towels. But thats
only once a week and there is useally a rainless day each week.

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In article ,
says...
I've got both so let me think......... umm. Dishes can be cleaned by
hand. Clothes can't be dried by hand and clotheslines don't work outside
of summer.

We have both and are considering getting rid of the condensing dryer (I
agree though that condensers are vastly superior - the energy
consumption figures are misleading - you tend to use them when it's cold
anyway and the heat is retained in the house.

Anyway - we've used our drier about three times this year and we've got
two grubby kids. The dishwasher gets used roughly daily.

We dry on one of those old slats-on-a-pulley things in the stairwell
with an old deskfan screwed to the ceiling to provide an indoor breeze
if it's taking too long to dry. Dries a full load in about four hours,
so we tend to hang the washing out overnight.

On 2008-08-04 18:56:31 +0100, Roland Butter said:

Anyway - we've used our drier about three times this year and we've got
two grubby kids. The dishwasher gets used roughly daily.


Isn't the bath more suitable? ;-)

In article 48974560@qaanaaq, am says...
Anyway - we've used our drier about three times this year and we've got
two grubby kids. The dishwasher gets used roughly daily.


Isn't the bath more suitable? ;-)


No, we often use the dishwasher roughly. It loves it really and is only
pretending when it screams.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:56:31 +0100, Roland Butter
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I've got both so let me think......... umm. Dishes can be cleaned by
hand. Clothes can't be dried by hand and clotheslines don't work outside
of summer.

We have both and are considering getting rid of the condensing dryer (I
agree though that condensers are vastly superior - the energy
consumption figures are misleading - you tend to use them when it's cold
anyway and the heat is retained in the house.

I'm afraid I tend to use the washer/drier all the time. I dismantled
the outside washing line a long time ago when I kept strangling myself
on it.

I'm sure that if I got one of those whirlygig 'lines', its socket
would snag the lawnmower and get chewed to bits.


The dishwasher gets used roughly daily.

You should be more sympathetic with it :-)

We dry on one of those old slats-on-a-pulley things in the stairwell
with an old deskfan screwed to the ceiling to provide an indoor breeze
if it's taking too long to dry.

How's the RH in the house? If you can open a landing window I suppose
you can dispel a lot of the water vapour.

Those old pulley-type things were fine in older houses when there were
lots of chimneys (and other gaps!) to ventilate the place.

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