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I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing
through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those £9.99 non contact volt sticks from Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for £25 as "The Pikey Protector". I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey for a Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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The only problem is where to advertise them? "The only problem"? You are *that* confident your van and tools will still be there when you turn around? -- Robin |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message .uk... I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those £9.99 non contact volt sticks from Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for £25 as "The Pikey Protector". I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey for a Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? Caravan Monthy?....lol |
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The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote: I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those �9.99 non contact volt sticks from Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for �25 as "The Pikey Protector". I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey for a Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) No.Romany Gypsies are fine. Its thieving pikey *******s we mean. Usuallt pure bred english mongrel not a hint of furrin in em anywhere. Its not a racial thing, its a lifestyle thing. People who live parasitically on society.. or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. Sure. But THIS sort of crime is done by Thieving Pikey *******s.. |
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In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes dtechy wrote: The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote: I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those 0 Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for 0 Protector". I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey for a Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) No.Romany Gypsies are fine. Its thieving pikey *******s we mean. Usuallt pure bred english mongrel not a hint of furrin in em anywhere. Its not a racial thing, its a lifestyle thing. People who live parasitically on society.. or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. Sure. But THIS sort of crime is done by Thieving Pikey *******s.. Oh dear - agreeing with NP, whatever next ... -- geoff |
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scribeth thus In message , The Natural Philosopher writes dtechy wrote: The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote: I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those 0 Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for 0 Protector". I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey for a Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) No.Romany Gypsies are fine. Its thieving pikey *******s we mean. Usuallt pure bred english mongrel not a hint of furrin in em anywhere. Its not a racial thing, its a lifestyle thing. People who live parasitically on society.. or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. Sure. But THIS sort of crime is done by Thieving Pikey *******s.. Oh dear - agreeing with NP, whatever next ... NP has often got a lot of good points.. And on this one I'm in total agreement having suffered at the hands of these thieving Pikey Outlaw scum... -- Tony Sayer |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:42:34 +0000, tony sayer wrote:
NP has often got a lot of good points.. And on this one I'm in total agreement having suffered at the hands of these thieving Pikey Outlaw scum... Sometimes the Pikeys come off worst... http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2007-09.html |
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tony sayer wrote:
In article , geoff scribeth thus In message , The Natural Philosopher writes dtechy wrote: The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote: I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those 0 Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for 0 Protector". I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey for a Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) No.Romany Gypsies are fine. Its thieving pikey *******s we mean. Usuallt pure bred english mongrel not a hint of furrin in em anywhere. Its not a racial thing, its a lifestyle thing. People who live parasitically on society.. or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. Sure. But THIS sort of crime is done by Thieving Pikey *******s.. Oh dear - agreeing with NP, whatever next ... NP has often got a lot of good points.. And on this one I'm in total agreement having suffered at the hands of these thieving Pikey Outlaw scum... If they were genuine throwbacks to an earlier time, I'd say fine: deal with them on their own terms, Go in with assegais and shields and drive them off your tribal territory. But they are wise to that and invoke as much of the law and liberal thinking as suits them, and disregard that which doesn't. What the PC liberals don't understand, is that other people are not like them, do not have the same guilty consciences or the same trembling sensitivity to other peoples' feelings. They give everybody every incentive to get away with almost everything, and then wonder why, when they finally cross a line that is at best arbitrary, we end up with prisons full to overflowing. I am sure every thieving pikey ******* has a tale to tell of heart rending deprivation, moral agony and insult and the like. So have most people, if they choose to represent themselves in those terms. The simple fact of it is that irrespective of where you come from or what you have been through, if you want to join the club, you have to obey the club rules, and if you don't want to join the club, you don't get the club privileges. If you want to live in a motor caravan, it has to conform to the regukatins of motir vehicles when on the road, or be permanently parked off rod,. If it is to be parked, it has to comply with bye-laws. Or be on private land, that is designated with planning permission for that purpose. If you park on common land, you do not light fires or leave bags of rubbish everywhere. I wouldn't mind in te slightest if the odd traveller parked up on a bit of scarp land for a few days, in a street legal machine, did whatever work they could find, took their rubbish to the tip, and moved on leaving it clean and tidy. Or properly provisioned campsites with rental paid and council taxes imposed on the site to deal with provision of basic facilities.. But people who come in tens, take over a section of public land, depriving others of its use, pay nothing to anyone and leave it in a total mess of waste, and create a local rime wave? I can't BLAME the pikeys. They are allowed to get away with it,so they do. Its like certain peoples' kids that I know. Their parents dutifully tidy their rooms, prepare their food, wash their clothes, and hand out money to them irrespective of whether the kids do anything in return whatsoever, and then wonder why their kids are rude,opinionated, total sluts, and appear to act as if the world owes them a living for nothing in return. They have been brought up with *precisely* that ethos. One of my younger relatives was a fairly typical specimen. I sdaid 'I am going to Silverstone for te Grand Prix practice on Friday: If you want to come, your job is to spray off 20 square yards of bramble with roundup, hack back the underfgrowth and be up at 8.am. when I will be leaving' The kid,who normally appeared about 12a.m, bleary, and seldom did anything, dutifully and enthusiastically cleared the brambles, and was ready to go when I stumbled downstairs.. Linking effort and rewards, as well as crime and punishment, is what the Liberal PC world of Nu Laber simply fails to understand. The whole root of Marxist thinking 'to each according to his needs, and from each according to his abilities' is complete **********. It completely incentivises everyone to be as lazy and useless as possible, and gives no incentive whatsoever to develop useful skills and abilities. The better you are the more gets taken away. The more useless you are, the more you get given. This specious crap was written by a man who could barely tie his own shoelaces. Entirely so that idiots like him wouldn't get trampled underfoot. Marxism is self defeating ultimately, its just the pain and ruin of a society that everyone has to go through before they realize this, that is the problem. Russia today might as well have stayed under the Tsars. There is still an ultra rich ruling elite, and everyone else works for them. You get what you wish for. ASBOS and thieving pikey *******s are precisely the effect a policy of ideological idiocy (==Nu Soschlim) *encourages*. Until Nu Laber reslizes that the way to get everyone to 'develop their full potential', is to make it *worth their while*, prattling on about it will have zero effect. If passing excellent and bloody difficult exams, made it possible to go to a university of class, to study difficult subjects with NO implied debt thereafter, you would have people queueing up to take them. Not complaining about 'how hard they are' If, as it should be,people had to wait YEARS to establish a record of savings and fiscal prudence, before they were even allowed an overdraft, let alone a mortgage, house prices would be a lot more 'affordable'. If the council. instead of standing idly bu, offered the pikeys a thousand quid to clean up all the mess in their camps, and in fact every other camp, and take it to the tip, your town would be sparklingly clean. If in fact, you got paid £2.50 =- say - a bag for rubbish collected and placed at the council tip, you probably wouldn't need council refuse collectors at all, and it would work out cheaper in the longer term. |
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Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the
subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. OK outlaws then?... -- Tony Sayer |
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Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. OK outlaws then?... Yup. I think Our Tone has hit the pikey on the head. People who, irrespective of racial, ethnic, religious, or any other origin, choose (or find they have no option but) to live more or less outside the laws of what constitutes consensus society. Who don't pay income or council tax, don't tax, insure or MOT their vehicles half the time, probably run them on central heating oil stolen from tanks, make what little money they do by stealing what is easy to steal and selling it on, and whose idea of refuse disposal is to simply leave it where it is, and move on. But who probably DO use free hospital dental and medical serveices, and occasionally free education. Who mots certainly use free roads, water and probabaly someone else's electricity. Hunter Gatherers in an urban society. |
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On 13 Jan, 12:08, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
tony sayer wrote: Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the SNIP People who, irrespective of racial, ethnic, religious, or any other origin, choose (or find they have no option but) to live more or less outside the laws of what constitutes consensus society. Who don't pay income or council tax, don't tax, insure or MOT their vehicles half the time, probably run them on central heating oil stolen from tanks, SNIP Puts me in mind of when a local farmer kept losing petrol from a five gallon drum he kept in a shed, plod couldn't spare resources to maintain a watch. He filled the drum to an inch from the top with water and then topped up with petrol. A couple of days later a thieving ******* was at the garage having his petrol tank drained and the pump and carb flushed, at which point plod got involved. |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:09:42 -0800 (PST), cynic wrote:
Puts me in mind of when a local farmer kept losing petrol from a five gallon drum he kept in a shed, plod couldn't spare resources to maintain a watch. He filled the drum to an inch from the top with water and then topped up with petrol. A couple of days later a thieving ******* was at the garage having his petrol tank drained and the pump and carb flushed, at which point plod got involved. To charge the farmer with criminal damage? -- Bye bye |
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The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote: I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those £9.99 non contact volt sticks from Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for £25 as "The Pikey Protector". I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey for a Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, Errm. Thats why I headed the post OT. It means 'off topic'. Since you appear to be explaining the group rules to me, I assumed you would know that. unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) No, I mean Pikey's. If you lived in the real world - instead of living on PC Planet, you would know what I meant. And please don't play the race card it's pathetic. or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. Indeed I have. But I find very few accountants, solicitors, bus drivers, shop assistants, mechanics etc go around nicking lead off roofs & copper cable. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. No pikeys round your way then? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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In message , dtechy
writes The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote: I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those £9.99 non contact volt sticks from Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for £25 as "The Pikey Protector". I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey for a Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. Oh, do **** off -- geoff |
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writes geoff;1800099 Wrote: In message , dtechy writes- The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote:- I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those £9.99 non contact volt sticks from- - Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for £25 as "The Pikey- Protector".- I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey- for a- Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257- Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men.- Oh, do **** off -- geoff How many brain cells did you kill with that impressive response Geoff, are you a pikey by any chance? Oh do **** off **** happier ? -- geoff |
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dtechy wrote:
geoff;1800099 Wrote: In message , dtechy writes- The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote:- I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those £9.99 non contact volt sticks from- - Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for £25 as "The Pikey- Protector".- I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey- for a- Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257- Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men.- Oh, do **** off -- geoff How many brain cells did you kill with that impressive response Geoff, are you a pikey by any chance? Calling Geoff a Pikey is racially offensive. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Handyman writes dtechy wrote: geoff;1800099 Wrote: In message , dtechy writes- The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote:- I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those £9.99 non contact volt sticks from- - Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for £25 as "The Pikey- Protector".- I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey- for a- Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257- Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men.- Oh, do **** off -- geoff How many brain cells did you kill with that impressive response Geoff, are you a pikey by any chance? Calling Geoff a Pikey is racially offensive. To pikeys ... -- geoff |
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On 13 Jan, 21:05, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: dtechy wrote: geoff;1800099 Wrote: In message , dtechy writes- The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote:- I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. I've spotted a niche market here which could make my fortune. The plan is to buy a load of those £9.99 *non contact volt sticks from- - Maplins (the ones that light up near a live cable). I'm going to re package them & sell them for £25 as "The Pikey- Protector".- I already have the advertising tag line worked out; "Protect a Pikey- for a- Pony". The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257- Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men.- Oh, do **** off -- geoff How many brain cells did you kill with that impressive response Geoff, are you a pikey by any chance? Calling Geoff a Pikey is racially offensive. -- Dave - The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Calling geoff a pikey would infer that he be human! |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:30:01 +0000, dtechy wrote:
Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. I don't give a toss what you call them but they are a PITA. Cost Councils i.e. tax payers, a small fortune to clear up after them and in mostly futile attempts to stop them invading public spaces, which they then foul up. Farmers too are firced to blight the countryside with any means at hand to stop these freeloaders, who no doubt when ill, are first in line at A&E and when their roaving days are over, expect their kids to be educated at facitilies provided by others or live in public provided housing. Not to mention their crappy vans, which I simply do not believe would pass the MOT test that the lawabiding are forced to adhere to. There's nothing racist about it. I don't mind them opting our if they can find someone to provide a suitable field for free buit don't then expect to take advantage of the facilities provided by the hard work of other. If you want to live in the stoneage, then that's your choice but you can't expect to have it both way and be welcomed. Andy |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:30:01 +0000, dtechy wrote: Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. I don't give a toss what you call them but they are a PITA. Cost Councils i.e. tax payers, a small fortune to clear up after them and in mostly futile attempts to stop them invading public spaces, which they then foul up. Couple of years ago they invaded the car park serving our small town centre. Medway Council are very hot on parking & I've had a few run ins with them - no quarter is given. Parking Services number was on the tarif board, so I rang them. Let them know that Transits & caravans were all illegally parked, no pay & display tickets, in disabled bays etc. The guy said he would call the Councils 'traveller liason officer'. I asked him to send a few traffic wardens down to issue tickets. Couldn't do that, they might be intimidated. I asked if I could park for free if I intimidated the wardens, but apparently not. We now have a height barrier. Which means I can't get my van in, so I have to park half a mile away when I want to pay money into the bank. My council tax pays for these height barriers, cleaning up the car park, the wages of the 'liason officer' and now I can't use the piggin car park that I pay for either. And 'dtechy' wonders why I don't like Pikeys! -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:30:01 +0000, dtechy wrote: Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. I don't give a toss what you call them but they are a PITA. Cost Councils i.e. tax payers, a small fortune to clear up after them and in mostly futile attempts to stop them invading public spaces, which they then foul up. Farmers too are firced to blight the countryside with any means at hand to stop these freeloaders, who no doubt when ill, are first in line at A&E and when their roaving days are over, expect their kids to be educated at facitilies provided by others or live in public provided housing. Not to mention their crappy vans, which I simply do not believe would pass the MOT test that the lawabiding are forced to adhere to. There's nothing racist about it. I don't mind them opting our if they can find someone to provide a suitable field for free buit don't then expect to take advantage of the facilities provided by the hard work of other. If you want to live in the stoneage, then that's your choice but you can't expect to have it both way and be welcomed. Andy Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. Rob |
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Andy Cap wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:30:01 +0000, dtechy wrote: Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. I don't give a toss what you call them but they are a PITA. Cost Councils i.e. tax payers, a small fortune to clear up after them and in mostly futile attempts to stop them invading public spaces, which they then foul up. Farmers too are firced to blight the countryside with any means at hand to stop these freeloaders, who no doubt when ill, are first in line at A&E and when their roaving days are over, expect their kids to be educated at facitilies provided by others or live in public provided housing. Not to mention their crappy vans, which I simply do not believe would pass the MOT test that the lawabiding are forced to adhere to. There's nothing racist about it. I don't mind them opting our if they can find someone to provide a suitable field for free buit don't then expect to take advantage of the facilities provided by the hard work of other. If you want to live in the stoneage, then that's your choice but you can't expect to have it both way and be welcomed. Andy Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. I think you are confusing Pikeys & Gypsies Rob. True Gypsies (of which there are few) don't cause the trouble & stress to locals that Pikeys do. Two entirely different things. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Rob wrote: Andy Cap wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:30:01 +0000, dtechy wrote: Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. I don't give a toss what you call them but they are a PITA. Cost Councils i.e. tax payers, a small fortune to clear up after them and in mostly futile attempts to stop them invading public spaces, which they then foul up. Farmers too are firced to blight the countryside with any means at hand to stop these freeloaders, who no doubt when ill, are first in line at A&E and when their roaving days are over, expect their kids to be educated at facitilies provided by others or live in public provided housing. Not to mention their crappy vans, which I simply do not believe would pass the MOT test that the lawabiding are forced to adhere to. There's nothing racist about it. I don't mind them opting our if they can find someone to provide a suitable field for free buit don't then expect to take advantage of the facilities provided by the hard work of other. If you want to live in the stoneage, then that's your choice but you can't expect to have it both way and be welcomed. Andy Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. I think you are confusing Pikeys & Gypsies Rob. True Gypsies (of which there are few) don't cause the trouble & stress to locals that Pikeys do. Two entirely different things. AIUI 'pikey' can mean two groups: the underclass; and/or travellers/gypsies (Roma etc - it's complicated, hence the Franseca reference). If Andy was referring to the underclass, then I'd relax the racist reference and substitute 'limited'. I suspect you are referring to a local and particular group of people. However, the reference to vans, roaving (meaning roaming perhaps) and fields led me to think he was referring to the second group in a general (and uninformed) sense - hence my remarks. Rob |
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Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) I don't think 'pikey' is a race. At least I don't recall it on the list of racial/ethnic groups in the last census. Pikey means 'of the road', turnpike and all that. i.e. traveller. mark |
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Mark wrote:
Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) I don't think 'pikey' is a race. At least I don't recall it on the list of racial/ethnic groups in the last census. Pikey means 'of the road', turnpike and all that. i.e. traveller. Precisely. mark |
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Rob wrote:
Andy Cap wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:30:01 +0000, dtechy wrote: Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. I don't give a toss what you call them but they are a PITA. Cost Councils i.e. tax payers, a small fortune to clear up after them and in mostly futile attempts to stop them invading public spaces, which they then foul up. Farmers too are firced to blight the countryside with any means at hand to stop these freeloaders, who no doubt when ill, are first in line at A&E and when their roaving days are over, expect their kids to be educated at facitilies provided by others or live in public provided housing. Not to mention their crappy vans, which I simply do not believe would pass the MOT test that the lawabiding are forced to adhere to. There's nothing racist about it. I don't mind them opting our if they can find someone to provide a suitable field for free buit don't then expect to take advantage of the facilities provided by the hard work of other. If you want to live in the stoneage, then that's your choice but you can't expect to have it both way and be welcomed. Andy Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. Don't be daft. These people aren't gyspies. They MIGHT once have been Irish, a hundred years ago. There is a world of difference between genuine travellers and thieving pikey *******s.. I haven't seem genuine gypsies in YEARS. The very few travellers I know, have bought/rented houses and got out of it. They don't want to be associated with 'thieving pikey *******s' *because* they are not.. Rob |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:30:42 +0000, Rob wrote:
Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. Rob Reading the book clearly did you no good, IF you noticed, I did not criticise a group but BEHAVIOUR. It's beyond me why you're prepared to pay for other people's abuse of the system but I guess it's your choice if you're stupid enough. Andy |
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writes Andy Cap wrote: You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. I think you're confusing Gypsies and thieving Pikey Scum. The only thing the two have in common is that they live in 'caravans' and travel. Rob -- Clint Sharp |
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Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. Rob That definition gets us no further forward. How is a 'race' defined? So far as I am concerned we are all of one race. Certainly genetically we are. I have always thought that the term itself was racist and meaningless. It implies difference when we are all the same except for a few cosmetic differences. Perhaps the term should only be used for martians or chimeras, should they ever be created. 'No son. Creatures with three heads should not be treated less well than humans.' This discussion is about people who are lawless and sponge off the rest of us, and who are sometimes brutal. Making them a special case, rather than just another criminal, causes resentment. Not to tackle them is simply cowardice. Peter Scott |
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Peter Scott wrote:
Racist: noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races. (OED) You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. Rob That definition gets us no further forward. How is a 'race' defined? So far as I am concerned we are all of one race. No. One SPECIES. Like cats dogs pigs cows and chickens, we can all interbreed,we all have a common set of ancestors, but we have different BREEDS, or RACES. It's not a hugely useful distinction in the human case,what with all this globalisation, but it does exist. And, like breeds, different races have different characteristics. Some are taller, shorter, darker lighter, whatever. Certainly genetically we are. I have always thought that the term itself was racist and meaningless. It implies difference when we are all the same except for a few cosmetic differences. Well thats like saying a terrier is like a labrador except for comestic differences. They are not. They have inbred generic characteristics that are quite different. Any distinct ecosystem that carries humans will over time evolve a set of genetic traits suitable for living there. Mountain dwellers in hot countries are supremely good runners at low altitude. Highly developed lungs, able to dump heat well. Thats why Kenyans win marathons. It possible to develop some of that with intense training, bit its a lot harder, and no amount of training will net you a nice black skin capable of radiating heat in humid conditions. One applies the term 'race' in a totally un perjorative way to such generic distinctions. Racism, is not discrimination by race, its *illogical and perjorative* discrimination by race. Every time you select cox's orange pippins over golden delicious, you are in YOUR terms, being a racist. Selecting something on the basis of racial discrimination. Frankly there is nothing WRONG with racial discrimination. If I want a sexy tall model to appeal to afro carribeans, I'm going to pick Naomi Campbell, assuming she isn't staying in bed all dat ;-) OTOH if I want a **** hot racing driver,I'd be hard put to know whether I wanted Lewis Hamilton or Kimi Raikonnen. There hasn't been much natural selection to make any races much nbetter at a wheel than any oter, just a lot of CULTURAL factors that make it unlikely that someone who has grown up in te plains of Africa, is going to find it easy to make a car dance. Stick that person in teh boredom of Stevenage or Helsinki, and there is every reason that they WILL do. What else is there to do? Perhaps the term should only be used for martians or chimeras, should they ever be created. 'No son. Creatures with three heads should not be treated less well than humans.' Oh my gawd. Its you that has the problem. All people are different, some differences appear broadly associated with distinct geographical areas of origin, others do not. y all means use race if the particular variation is so associated, and anyone who resents it is a fool. OTOH in the original context of this post, we were not discussing race. Travellers as such are not a race, never have been and never will be. They have always been comprised of some sort of itinerant subclass that for whatever reason found it easier to make out on the road, than not. I cant remember who decided to call them a race and start a furore, but whoever it was is the person with the beam in their eye as it were. This discussion is about people who are lawless and sponge off the rest of us, and who are sometimes brutal. Making them a special case, rather than just another criminal, causes resentment. Yes, so don't introduce race, because it ain't relevant. It exists, as a moderately useful concept, but in this case its not applicable. The Pikeys are the ones who would like to hide behind calling themselves and ethnic group, so that they could cry 'racial abuse' when the fuzz come in and boot them off someone else's land. Not to tackle them is simply cowardice. No,. its down to politics of silly liberalism. The sort of silly liberalism that wants on the one hand to make laws against racism, and on the other to deny that race as a concept exists. This double think always goes unnoticed. Peter Scott |
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On 2008-01-13, Rob wrote: You *are* racist; get over it. Or, preferably, have a read of 'Bury Me Standing: Gypsies and Their Journey' by Isabel Fonseca, and you might rethink. So it's OK to leave piles of excrement, reeking garbage & rusting scrap in public places if you happen to be a bit brown? What on earth are you talking about? *plonk* Something you're afraid of by any chance? Rob |
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Andy Cap wrote:
If you want to live in the stoneage, then that's your choice but you can't expect to have it both way and be welcomed. Aye, that's the rub. It's the 'expecting it both ways' bit that incenses. Its one thing to wander along a wilderness seashore, picking up crabs, rubbing two sticks together to light a fire and eating them, but rather a different thing to wander down the high street, gathering lead and copper out of working installations, and sell it to buy fish and chips. The answer is obvious. Wander by night into a Pikey camp and nick everything you can. Again and again. If the simple act of possession is what someone lives by, then so mote it be. Relieve them if their possessions. Such lessons I have always found to be the most instructive. I have done it myself to someone with this sort of attitude.. 'where did you learn that trick?' 'From you....' Andy |
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dtechy wrote:
The Medway Handyman;1799622 Wrote: I heard of a case recently where a pikey electrocuted himself by hack sawing through a live cable he was trying to steal for the copper. Could you keep your racial stereotypes to yourself MH and keep the subject on DIY, unless you believe that pikey's (you really mean romany gypsies, but feel that if you use another term it isn't racist) or perhaps you have never heard of any crimes ever being commited by anyone apart from a traveller. By the way I live in a house in a city where crime is committed by all sorts of people - even handy men. The etymology of 'Pikey' is believed to be a contraction of "turnpike" - referring to persons conducting a lawless, vagabond lifestyle. It doesn't have any inherent racial connotation, AFAIK. I'd hazard to suggest that Romany Gypsies certainly do not consider themselves to be 'pikeys', and regard such people with contempt. In summary, Dave described a low-life thief with a word that means low-life thief. |
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On 12 Jan, 12:10, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? I see a problem. You're assuming that your target market can read. If you could modify them so that, shortly after sale, they randomly indicate live cables to be dead, you could then give them to Pikeys. Many thousands of builders and plumbers would sponsor such a scheme. |
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Medway Handyman writes The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? Nowhere for preference, I see it as a speedy form of natural selection. -- Clint Sharp |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:10:15 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: The only problem is where to advertise them? Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? Wherever, you're fall foul of the Human Rights people, using the word 'Pikey'. That's now a far more heinous crime than nicking cable. Andy |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Can anyone suggest suitable magazines to reach my target market? Could you not engrave the ad into the lead on any roofs you are called on to maintain? -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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