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Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various
SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Colin |
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Buy the cheapest - they will all do exactly the same thing and last as long
as each other for your purpose. dg "Colin M" wrote in message ... Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Colin |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:08:46 +0100, "dg"
wrote: Buy the cheapest - they will all do exactly the same thing and last as long as each other for your purpose. dg "Colin M" wrote in message ... Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 I think the cheaper Bosch one does not have rotary stop, so it can't be used as a chisel alone. The other Bosch one may not have either, but I am pretty sure the Dewalt one does. -- Colin Swan |
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Colin Swan wrote:
I think the cheaper Bosch one does not have rotary stop, so it can't be used as a chisel alone. The other Bosch one may not have either, but I am pretty sure the Dewalt one does. The DW does, and it's extremely good value. Very good tool. -- Grunff |
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Colin M wrote:
Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) ?90 No rotaion stop on this one... Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) ?140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) ?135 Both of those seem well respected. Another you might want to add to your list is the Makita HR2450 (720W) at 119.00 pounds. (Screwfix order code 54139) Works out about the same price as the Bosch above when you factor in the fact that there are no drills or chisels included with this one. But you do get a bit more power. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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dg wrote:
Buy the cheapest - they will all do exactly the same thing and last as long as each other for your purpose. dg The cheap one doesn't list a rotory stop on the screwfix web site, and that's something you're likely to want. -Duncan |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
... Colin M wrote: Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) ?90 No rotaion stop on this one... Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) ?140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) ?135 Both of those seem well respected. Another you might want to add to your list is the Makita HR2450 (720W) at 119.00 pounds. (Screwfix order code 54139) Works out about the same price as the Bosch above when you factor in the fact that there are no drills or chisels included with this one. But you do get a bit more power. are these inc or exc VAT? D&M list the 566k as £149 inc and the 2450 at £125 inc. If the OP is around West London then they _might_ have special offers at their show this weekend. You'd get the chance to play with them at least. 566K mentions torque control and is 650W, 0-2.4J impact energy. 2450 doesn't mention any torque control but is 780W and 2.7J Keyless chucks are £15 and £20 additional respectively, don't know whether screwfix include these. cheers Richard -- Richard Sampson email me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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Colin M wrote: Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 If all you want is something cheap what about the Ferm one that screwfix are listing at the moment, 620W hammer stop and rotary stop, doesn't seem to come with any tools, but they only want 29.99 for it. (screwfix prt no 94802) Tim Morley |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Colin M wrote: Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) ?90 No rotaion stop on this one... Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) ?140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) ?135 Both of those seem well respected. Another you might want to add to your list is the Makita HR2450 (720W) at 119.00 pounds. (Screwfix order code 54139) Works out about the same price as the Bosch above when you factor in the fact that there are no drills or chisels included with this one. But you do get a bit more power. And a better product too. Argos do a Bosch for £95. Not sure if it has rotary stop. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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Tim Morley wrote:
If all you want is something cheap what about the Ferm one that screwfix are listing at the moment, 620W hammer stop and rotary stop, doesn't seem to come with any tools, but they only want 29.99 for it. (screwfix prt no 94802) Yes, but it's a steaming pile of ****e which breaks in under 5 hours of use. See previous threads on subject. -- Grunff |
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In article ,
Colin M wrote: Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 As others have said, I don't think that has rotostop. Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Something else to consider is the Wickes own brand 500w one. Its a rebadged (well, was - I notice they have given up rebadging them!) Kress. Seems a nice tool and I think it is under 100 quid now. Darren |
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I have had a sds drill for years (B&D Proline) which has been used
professionally, for DIY, and lent out countless times. Now this does not have a rotary stop and has never needed one. How many times to you actually need a rotary stop for DIY? People buy an sds for drillling and not on the basis of chipping a few tiles of the wall once every five years. It is not worth an extra £45. Spend £90 on the drill, £1.50 on a cold and bolster chisel and £3.99 on a lump hammer. Sorted dg "Duncan Lees" duncan-at-snsys-dot-com wrote in message . .. dg wrote: Buy the cheapest - they will all do exactly the same thing and last as long as each other for your purpose. dg The cheap one doesn't list a rotory stop on the screwfix web site, and that's something you're likely to want. -Duncan |
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People buy an sds for drillling and not on the basis of chipping a few
tiles of the wall once every five years. It is not worth an extra £45. You are joking aren't you? I use mine with rotary stop engaged about 90% of the time. Most of the rest is core drilling. The only other masonry work I generally do is drilling for rawlplugs, when I use a standard hammer drill as it is quick and simple. Most of the time my hammer drill has a 7mm masonry bit, the SDS has a cold chisel and my battery drill has a cross point screwdriver head. I rarely need to change bits and I can sink sockets, chase cables and screw the back boxes to the wall with no bit changes. Spend £90 on the drill, £1.50 on a cold and bolster chisel and £3.99 on a lump hammer. Sorted It took me over an hour to chase a couple of channels for my speaker cable before SDS was invented, using a cold chisel and hammer. Since then, I could do the same job in less than five minutes. Christian. |
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For DIY?
Yes. Maybe your idea of DIY is different to mine. However, mine involves running lots of pipework and cables. Whilst drilling holes for rawlplugs is a fairly frequent need, it is unlikely to trouble any hammer drill and wouldn't in itself persuade me to buy an SDS. For me, SDS means easy chiselling and core drilling (i.e. for bath/sink wastes, or extractor outlets). I suppose if you have no plumbing or electricals to do, the chiselling aspect won't be so important. I would not have used a power tool to chisel a massive channel for speaker cable - I would have gouged a fine recess by scraping the tip of a chisel along the wall. Less mess, less making good. You obviously haven't seen my speaker cable. Christian. |
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For DIY?
I can't imagine the OP using his drill for chiselling 90% of the time. He wants it to drill holes - and infrequently at that. I don't think he would have to drill many core holes either. The point is you don't need a mechanical chisel for DIY work. You may want one for an odd occasion, but you don't need one. I would not have used a power tool to chisel a massive channel for speaker cable - I would have gouged a fine recess by scraping the tip of a chisel along the wall. Less mess, less making good. dg "Christian McArdle" wrote in message et... People buy an sds for drillling and not on the basis of chipping a few tiles of the wall once every five years. It is not worth an extra £45. You are joking aren't you? I use mine with rotary stop engaged about 90% of the time. Most of the rest is core drilling. The only other masonry work I generally do is drilling for rawlplugs, when I use a standard hammer drill as it is quick and simple. Most of the time my hammer drill has a 7mm masonry bit, the SDS has a cold chisel and my battery drill has a cross point screwdriver head. I rarely need to change bits and I can sink sockets, chase cables and screw the back boxes to the wall with no bit changes. Spend £90 on the drill, £1.50 on a cold and bolster chisel and £3.99 on a lump hammer. Sorted It took me over an hour to chase a couple of channels for my speaker cable before SDS was invented, using a cold chisel and hammer. Since then, I could do the same job in less than five minutes. Christian. |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:22:52 +0100, dg wrote:
How many times to you actually need a rotary stop for DIY? People buy an sds for drillling and not on the basis of chipping a few tiles of the wall once every five years. My SDS has done far more hours in rotary stop than it has spent drilling holes. The hook to hang the purchase on was chasing out the channelling for the cottage kitchen rewire. Spend =A390 on the drill, =A31.50 on a cold and bolster chisel and =A3= 3.99 on a lump hammer. Sorted Speant =A399.99 on the Bosch SDS from Argos, with rotary stop. Used the = already existing lump hammer and chisel to remove the tiles. I wouldn't have liked to have done all the chasing by hand. Very neat and quick with the SDS. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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"Colin M" wrote in message ... Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Colin makro are doing a power devil one with a 1000w+ motor bits and ordinary chuck cheap and cheerful at around the £30+vat. think it got 2 year warranty! |
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Do you mean your not using bell wire?
lol dg "Christian McArdle" wrote in message et... For DIY? SNIP You obviously haven't seen my speaker cable. Christian. |
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"RichardS" noaccess@invalid wrote in message . .. "John Rumm" wrote in message ... Colin M wrote: Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) ?90 No rotaion stop on this one... Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) ?140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) ?135 Both of those seem well respected. Another you might want to add to your list is the Makita HR2450 (720W) at 119.00 pounds. (Screwfix order code 54139) Works out about the same price as the Bosch above when you factor in the fact that there are no drills or chisels included with this one. But you do get a bit more power. are these inc or exc VAT? D&M list the 566k as £149 inc Avoid the DeWalt. The Makita is a far superior machine. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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Do you mean your not using bell wire?
No. Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those buying 200 quid interconnects and enthusing over the subtle hint of honeysuckle and shades of camomile. However, having thick speaker cables does reduce voltage drop and has some effect on frequency response. If burying, I tend to use something reasonable like 105 strand OFC, which is cheap as chips. It may not be chunky, but it does need more than a scratch in the plaster to bury, though. Christian. |
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Speant £99.99 on the Bosch SDS from Argos, with rotary stop.
Used the already existing lump hammer and chisel to remove the tiles. I find the SDS chisel to be unbelievably good at removing tiles. With chisel and hammer it was taking an age to remove them, in tiny slivers and chips. With the SDS chisel, the tiles came off whole in about half a second. Christian. |
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(shame the tile chisel is £30 from Screwfix though).
Don't bother. The standard "cold" chisel does an excellent job. Christian. |
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"simon beer" wrote in message ... "Colin M" wrote in message ... Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Colin makro are doing a power devil one with a 1000w+ motor bits and ordinary chuck cheap and cheerful at around the £30+vat. think it got 2 year warranty! If you are doing an extension or the likes, go for it. At that [rice and guarantee you can't complain. If it falls apart after a major job you have lost nothing at all. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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"dg" wrote in message ... For DIY? I can't imagine the OP using his drill for chiselling 90% of the time. He wants it to drill holes - and infrequently at that. Once you know what power tools can do, you use them. Relative of mine would never have tackled some DIY job if cheap power tools were not available. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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"dmc" wrote in message ... In article , Colin M wrote: Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 As others have said, I don't think that has rotostop. Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Something else to consider is the Wickes own brand 500w one. Its a rebadged (well, was - I notice they have given up rebadging them!) Kress. Seems a nice tool and I think it is under 100 quid now. A good product and buy. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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"Grunff" wrote in message ... Tim Morley wrote: If all you want is something cheap what about the Ferm one that screwfix are listing at the moment, 620W hammer stop and rotary stop, doesn't seem to come with any tools, but they only want 29.99 for it. (screwfix prt no 94802) Yes, but it's a steaming pile of ****e which breaks in under 5 hours of use. See previous threads on subject. With a 3 years guarantee too. So send it back. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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IMM wrote:
Yes, but it's a steaming pile of ****e which breaks in under 5 hours of use. See previous threads on subject. With a 3 years guarantee too. So send it back. Please, not this again... Once I factor in my time, it's cost goes from £30 to £130. -- Grunff |
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"Colin M" wrote in message ... Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Colin IMHO I would have the DSR Bosch.... if it's the model with the quick change chuck then you get effectively 2 drills in one.. If you already have a good hammer drill then get the DeWalt.. Cheers IanJH |
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In message , dg
writes For DIY? I can't imagine the OP using his drill for chiselling 90% of the time. He wants it to drill holes - and infrequently at that. DIY can mean many things, for me it means rewiring my house, replumbing etc. not just the infrequent hole. And this goes for plenty of us here. And anyway even if the intentions is not to sue the chiselling function much -it's be a shame not to spend the bit extra for a useful function. I bought mine after getting fed up slogging away with my walls cutting holes for backboxes and channelling out the brickwork. After I had used the SDs to do the first one in a few minutes with ease it had already been worthwile. -- Chris French, Leeds |
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"IanJH" wrote in message ... "Colin M" wrote in message ... Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Colin IMHO I would have the DSR Bosch.... if it's the model with the quick change chuck then you get effectively 2 drills in one.. If you already have a good hammer drill then get the DeWalt.. Cheers IanJH I agree with the DSR an excellent interchangeable keyless chuck, took off loads of rendering with it, and it laughs at any hole I wish to make. Good carry case, plenty of flex, comes with some good bits. Feels like it will last forever. Good control (also useful for heavy duty screwdriving) and a lot lighter than the crap £30 quid ones. My mate just brought the performance power crap. It gave up the ghost after only 20 minutes use. The Dewalt brand is overrated and expensive IMHO. When you consider the cost of the keyless chuck the Bosch is cheaper. As somebody said before I have also always been impressed with Makita. |
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"John Woodhall" wrote in message ... "IanJH" wrote in message ... "Colin M" wrote in message ... Just received my Screwfix bumph through the post and see they have various SDS drills on offer. Which do you think is best value for money? Looking to buy something for general DIY where my normal drill can't cope! Bosch GBH2-20SRE (500W) £90 Bosch GBH2-24DSR (620W) £140 Dewalt DW566K (650W) £135 Colin IMHO I would have the DSR Bosch.... if it's the model with the quick change chuck then you get effectively 2 drills in one.. If you already have a good hammer drill then get the DeWalt.. Cheers IanJH I agree with the DSR an excellent interchangeable keyless chuck, took off loads of rendering with it, and it laughs at any hole I wish to make. Good carry case, plenty of flex, comes with some good bits. Feels like it will last forever. Good control (also useful for heavy duty screwdriving) and a lot lighter than the crap £30 quid ones. My mate just brought the performance power crap. It gave up the ghost after only 20 minutes use. The Dewalt brand is overrated and expensive IMHO. When you consider the cost of the keyless chuck the Bosch is cheaper. As somebody said before I have also always been impressed with Makita. In my experinece Bosch are overated. I have had trouble with Bosch drills. Makita are superior, in that price range. For DIY? Probably the Wickes 500w Kress (which is a pro drill), the Eaurbaur from Scxrewfix (another pro drill), or the Bosch £95 job from Argos (DIY drill). --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:51:18 +0100, Christian McArdle wrote:
With the SDS chisel, the tiles came off whole in about half a second. Your tiles must have been well stuck. Mine you could almost pull off with your fingers... -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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But it will be a 50% (£45) increase for the drill with roto stop, and what
I am saying is that while it may be useful, is it really worth the extra cost for DIY ? You could go on forever paying a bit more for the next model up with the extra features. Sure, you may use the features for a, but do you need them - you have to draw the line somewhere. Given x amount of money to spend, do you buy a drill and roto stop to use the stop feature once, or do you buy a plain vanilla drill and planer, sander, cordless etc and use all the tools more often? I would advocate only buying what you need, not what you might need. With DIY there are very few tools you actually need, but a far greater number you may need may want, or which you thought you may need and use rarely If you want to do any channeling and box sinking then a drill is a crude tool. Far better would be a proper box sinker attatchment or an attachment for an angle grinder. Both would be quicker, have less disturbance to the walls and with dust extraction, much more tidier than having bits of block and dust fly all over the place. The attachments would not cost any more than a good drill with the roto stop, and be much more cost and time effective. If you think you will need to do some channeling or box sinking for a one-off large project at home, or for more regular jobs, then you would buy the best tool for doing this, or hire it for one-off. Yes you could use a roto stop drill, but it is not the best tool to use, and certainly not the tool to buy on a might use basis. dg "chris French" wrote in message ... In message , dg writes For DIY? I can't imagine the OP using his drill for chiselling 90% of the time. He wants it to drill holes - and infrequently at that. DIY can mean many things, for me it means rewiring my house, replumbing etc. not just the infrequent hole. And this goes for plenty of us here. And anyway even if the intentions is not to sue the chiselling function much -it's be a shame not to spend the bit extra for a useful function. I bought mine after getting fed up slogging away with my walls cutting holes for backboxes and channelling out the brickwork. After I had used the SDs to do the first one in a few minutes with ease it had already been worthwile. -- Chris French, Leeds |
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But it will be a 50% (£45) increase for the drill with roto stop, and what I am saying is that while it may be useful, is it really worth the extra cost for DIY ? IMO, Yes. In the three months since I acquired my SDS I have used it for the following tasks: With Rotostop engaged: Demolishing a concrete block wall; Removing a roomful of tiles; Chiselling a window rebate to make the sill fit; Chasing walls for shower plumbing; Chopping walls to make bath fit; Modifying hole around a waste pipe to adjust its position. Total: several hours work. Would have been several months with hammer and bolster. Without Rotostop: Drilling three holes. Total: several seconds work I generally use my trusty hammer drill for plain old drilling. The SDS causes too much havoc and destruction 8^) And I haven't got such a wide range of bit sizes. I'm just a "normal" DIY-er, honest! No kind of professional at all. Ben -- Ben Edgington Note that email to is discarded. However, mail to "ben" at this address may be read by a human being. http://www.edginet.org/ |
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But it will be a 50% (£45) increase for the drill with roto stop, and
what I am saying is that while it may be useful, is it really worth the extra cost for DIY ? I would buy one with a compulsory fixed roto stop that can't be turned off, but not one without a roto stop at all. Obviously, having the choice is much better! I consider an SDS drill to be primarily a powered chisel, with the added benefit of taking chunky drill bits, like core drills. I prefer the flying chunks of the chisel to the quite spectacular dust storms of an angle grinder. Christian. |
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Your tiles must have been well stuck. Mine you could almost pull off
with your fingers... That'll be why you didn't wait for the SDS then? I could have ordered my drill from Screwfix and had it delivered before I'd managed to remove the tiles by chisel and hammer. It took all of 3 minutes to remove the entire lot by SDS cold chisel. And that includes pausing to take a picture of my partner with a huge grin on her face as she blasted through the things. Christian. |
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dg wrote:
But it will be a 50% (£45) increase for the drill with roto stop, and what I am saying is that while it may be useful, is it really worth the extra cost for DIY ? IMO Yes, also if he bought the Makita it would only be a 30 increase. You could go on forever paying a bit more for the next model up with the extra features. Sure, you may use the features for a, but do you need them - you have to draw the line somewhere. You are correct - you can keep adding features that you will never use. However look at the OPs first post - he specifically stated he wanted an SDS for the cases where "general DIY where my normal drill can't cope!" - I would have to include chiselling under the list of jobs that a normal hammer drill would not cope with! "general DIY" also suggests a broad range of tasks for which the more flexible tool might be better suited. Given x amount of money to spend, do you buy a drill and roto stop to use the stop feature once, or do you buy a plain vanilla drill and planer, sander, cordless etc and use all the tools more often? Well if the OP has wall like ours then there are times when even drilling a 5mm hole 15mm deep *requires* the SDS! I would advocate only buying what you need, not what you might need. With DIY there are very few tools you actually need, but a far greater number you may need may want, or which you thought you may need and use rarely I would suggest buying a tool with a sensible set of features. With an SDS I would suggest having the roto stop is a sensible feature to have especially as it does not cost that much more. There is also the argument that you can get satisfaction from using a good tool which is smooth, powerful, gets the job done without too much vibration and operator fatigue, and then lasts for years. If you want to do any channeling and box sinking then a drill is a crude tool. Far better would be a proper box sinker attatchment or an attachment Most of the box sinker attachments require roto stop. for an angle grinder. Both would be quicker, have less disturbance to the walls and with dust extraction, much more tidier than having bits of block and dust fly all over the place. You would need some *serious" dust extraction to make using an angle grinder for chasing walls indoors a sensible proposition! the best tool for doing this, or hire it for one-off. Yes you could use a roto stop drill, but it is not the best tool to use, and certainly not the tool to buy on a might use basis. For things like box sinking I think you will find the drill with a chisel is actually a pretty effective tool. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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IMM wrote:
In my experinece Bosch are overated. I have had trouble with Bosch drills. Drills (in general) seem to be an area where there is a more significant difference in performance between the blue and green Bosch ranges. I have not heard any complaints from owners of the blue Bosch drills - even those who (ab)use them every day for trade purposes. Yet problems with the green Bosch seem to be far more common - especially with things like speed controllers ceasing to perform their primary function. (owner of a single speed green Bosch drill that was previously a two speed drill but has since changed it's mind!) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:40:53 +0100, dg wrote:
If you want to do any channeling and box sinking then a drill is a crude tool. Far better would be a proper box sinker attatchment ... Erm, box sinkers require rotary stop... ... or an attachment for an angle grinder. Angle grinders throw vast amounts of dust all over the place. Both would be quicker, have less disturbance to the walls and with dust extraction, much more tidier than having bits of block and dust fly all over the place. I'll grant you that *good* (aka *very* good) dust extraction on an angle grinder may reduce the mess but that is yet another extra for suitable vacum device hoses etc. The attachments would not cost any more than a good drill with the roto stop, and be much more cost and time effective. Box sinkers are not cheap. Screwfix single box set is =A384.99, the single and double box set with 30mm channelling chisel, 5 x 6mm drills, circular cutter and SDS bolster type chisel is =A3189.99. The dust extraction unit =A369.99 (Yes, =A369.99, that is what Volume 72 has= it listed as, for a polypropylene moulding, typo for =A36.99?) If you think you will need to do some channeling or box sinking for a one-off large project at home, or for more regular jobs, then you would buy the best tool for doing this, or hire it for one-off. Yes you could use a roto stop drill, but it is not the best tool to use, and certainly not the tool to buy on a might use basis. I agree a box sinker is the best tool for sinking boxes but they ain't cheap (see above) and you *still* require the roto-stop drill. For just a few boxes a plain chisel is far cheaper. And, in my case, saves a minimum 50 mile round trip to the nearest hire shop. Channelling I just cut through the plaster along each edge of the channel then zipped up the middle only minor break out from the skim and cutting at of 6' in a matter of minutes. Plaster in large lumps not pulversised to dust that a channel cutter would produce. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Christian McArdle wrote:
Your tiles must have been well stuck. Mine you could almost pull off with your fingers... That'll be why you didn't wait for the SDS then? I could have ordered my drill from Screwfix and had it delivered before I'd managed to remove the tiles by chisel and hammer. It took all of 3 minutes to remove the entire lot by SDS cold chisel. And that includes pausing to take a picture of my partner with a huge grin on her face as she blasted through the things. Christian. Same here. Almost took me longer to get sds out of its case, connect it up & lay down dust sheets etc than actually knock all the tiles off a bathroom wall. I wouldn't do tile removing any other way after this. Almost made a tiresome job fun ... |
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