Kaiser wrote:
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:58:19 -0700, Weatherlawyer
wrote:


If quality blades will fit in it buy one.
What are "quality" blades?

Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?
Best quality?

A friend bought one to cut out a worktop for sink/drainer, it worked better
than my Bosch.



No it didn't

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
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Please eff off as you are a worthless idiot troll.

Drivel, stop talking to yourself!

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Kaiser wrote:
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:58:19 -0700, Weatherlawyer
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If quality blades will fit in it buy one.
What are "quality" blades?

Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?
Best quality?

A friend bought one to cut out a worktop for sink/drainer, it worked
better than my Bosch.

No it didn't

You'd know better than I, as you've obviously used my Bosch jigsaw without
me knowing.

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Kaiser wrote:
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:58:19 -0700, Weatherlawyer
wrote:


If quality blades will fit in it buy one.
What are "quality" blades?

Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?
Best quality?

A friend bought one to cut out a worktop for sink/drainer, it worked
better than my Bosch.

No it didn't

You made that up.

":Jerry:" wrote in message
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Please eff off as you are a worthless idiot troll.

Drivel, stop talking to yourself!

such wit.

On 2007-07-07 11:55:56 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
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Kaiser wrote:
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:58:19 -0700, Weatherlawyer
wrote:


If quality blades will fit in it buy one.
What are "quality" blades?

Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?
Best quality?

A friend bought one to cut out a worktop for sink/drainer, it worked
better than my Bosch.

No it didn't

You'd know better than I, as you've obviously used my Bosch jigsaw without
me knowing.

A green one or a blue one? Model?

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Kaiser wrote:
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:58:19 -0700, Weatherlawyer
wrote:


If quality blades will fit in it buy one.
What are "quality" blades?

Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?
Best quality?

A friend bought one to cut out a worktop for sink/drainer, it worked
better than my Bosch.

No it didn't

You'd know better than I, as you've obviously used my Bosch jigsaw without
me knowing.

Is your Bosch broken?

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 11:55:56 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
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Kaiser wrote:
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:58:19 -0700, Weatherlawyer
wrote:


If quality blades will fit in it buy one.
What are "quality" blades?

Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?
Best quality?

A friend bought one to cut out a worktop for sink/drainer, it worked
better than my Bosch.

No it didn't

You'd know better than I, as you've obviously used my Bosch jigsaw
without
me knowing.

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some
time. You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws
were generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the
difference.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 11:55:56 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
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Kaiser wrote:
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"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:58:19 -0700, Weatherlawyer
wrote:


If quality blades will fit in it buy one.
What are "quality" blades?

Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?
Best quality?

A friend bought one to cut out a worktop for sink/drainer, it worked
better than my Bosch.

No it didn't

You'd know better than I, as you've obviously used my Bosch jigsaw
without
me knowing.

A green one or a blue one? Model?

Wow! Jigsaw snobbery now.

On 2007-07-07 12:18:37 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

Wow! Jigsaw snobbery now.

Don't you know anything?

Take a look at this which will explain everything.

http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/powertools/jigsaw.htm

Hopefully there are not too many difficult words

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
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Kaiser wrote:
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:58:19 -0700, Weatherlawyer
wrote:


If quality blades will fit in it buy one.
What are "quality" blades?

Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?
Best quality?

A friend bought one to cut out a worktop for sink/drainer, it worked
better than my Bosch.

No it didn't

You made that up.

Yes, I wanted to get a tennis match going. Kindly repost, saying simply
"Yes it did" followed by "you are an effing plant pot" or similar

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some time.
You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws were
generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the difference.



I wouldn't use it often enough to warrant spending £100+ .

I've only used the one I've got twice in 6 years.

The Lidl jigsaws were not around 6 years ago when I bought the Bosch, and
three years guarantee was unheard of then on tools of that price.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some time.
You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws were
generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the difference.

Why should he when the Lidl one does the same and cheaper and a 3 yr
guarantee. He knows he has used them. You haven't as you are Matt.

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some
time. You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws
were generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the
difference.

I've got the PST 700 PAE (green)which is very good. It's pretty old and
I'm not sure they did a 'blue' range then. It was expensive.

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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

So Bosch are not above producing crap then.


If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some
time. You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws
were generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the difference.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2007-07-07 12:18:37 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:

Wow! Jigsaw snobbery now.

Don't you know anything?

Take a look at this which will explain everything.

http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/powertools/jigsaw.htm

Hopefully there are not too many difficult words

Does it say Makita?

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Please eff off as you are a worthless idiot troll.

Drivel, stop talking to yourself!

such wit.

No, just such truth...

On 2007-07-07 12:44:00 +0100, Stuart Noble
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

So Bosch are not above producing crap then.

I didn't say that it was crap. You did.

The blue range of products are engineered to a higher standard than the
green ones. Go and take a look and compare them.

On 2007-07-07 12:37:26 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message ...
On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some
time. You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws
were generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the
difference.

Why should he when the Lidl one does the same

because it doesn't

and cheaper

not relevant when comparing apples and pairs.

and a 3 yr guarantee.


Actually so does Bosch, but that is somewhat irrelevant.

On 2007-07-07 12:32:23 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some time.
You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws were
generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the difference.



I wouldn't use it often enough to warrant spending £100+ .

I've only used the one I've got twice in 6 years.

The Lidl jigsaws were not around 6 years ago when I bought the Bosch, and
three years guarantee was unheard of then on tools of that price.

It's a circular argument really.

I only used the old B&D that I had very occasionally and frankly
wouldn't have replaced it with another at £30 because the quality of
the cut achievable was so poor.

I use the Bosch GST quite a bit, largely because it can do a great deal
more, including quite precise cuts and good finish. Seen in those
terms, it's certainly worth its investment and shelf space.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 12:37:26 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?

Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some
time. You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws were
generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the difference.

Why should he when the Lidl one does the same

because it doesn't

and cheaper

not relevant when comparing apples and pairs.

and a 3 yr guarantee.

Actually so does Bosch, but that is somewhat irrelevant.

The Lidl machine is made in Switzerland.

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Please eff off as you are a worthless idiot troll.

Drivel, stop talking to yourself!

such wit.

No, just such truth...

NO. the truth is that you are witless.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 12:32:23 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some
time.
You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws were
generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the difference.



I wouldn't use it often enough to warrant spending £100+ .

I've only used the one I've got twice in 6 years.

The Lidl jigsaws were not around 6 years ago when I bought the Bosch, and
three years guarantee was unheard of then on tools of that price.

It's a circular argument really.

I only used the old B&D that I had very occasionally and frankly wouldn't
have replaced it with another at £30 because the quality of the cut
achievable was so poor.

I use the Bosch GST quite a bit, largely because it can do a great deal
more, including quite precise cuts and good finish. Seen in those
terms, it's certainly worth its investment and shelf space.

But the Lidl one is just the same and cheaper.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
I looked at that last time it was on offer. It looks a substantial piece
of kit. Well made and sturdy. I would say with a good sharp blade it
would not wander.

Can you buy blunt blades? I suppose you must be able to given the number
of these cheap jigsaws that wander...

The worst ones are stamped from sheet metal, and hence have a sharp burr
on one side. So they naturally want to cut a circle.

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John.

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Stuart Noble wrote:

So Bosch are not above producing crap then.

Many of the green tools are nothing special - it seems to be a bit of a
mixed bag... I used a green Bosch jigsaw the other day, and it was no
more refined than my old B&D. I have seen several green two speed
electric drills with failed speed controllers. My green orbital sander
is ok, but vibration control is not that good. The green random orbit
sander (PEX 400) though is not too bad.

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John.

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Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Lidl machine is made in Switzerland.

Well that seals the whole debate... what was Harry Lime said: "In
Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy
and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

We can now add the "swatch" and a Lidl Jigsaw as recommended by dribble.

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John.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

The Lidl machine is made in Switzerland.

Well that seals the whole debate...

Thank you.

what was Harry Lime said: "In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they
had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The
cuckoo clock."

What do you want nuclear weapons to kill everyone!!!! In fact the world
centre of timepiece technology and manufacture was Prescot on the outskirts
of Liverpool, before Switzerland knew what a cuckoo clock was.

snip drivel

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:

Actually so does Bosch, but that is somewhat irrelevant.

The Lidl machine is made in Switzerland.

So is Toblerone, but I wouldn't cut wood with that.
--

Dave

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Rumm
saying something like:

So Bosch are not above producing crap then.

Many of the green tools are nothing special - it seems to be a bit of a
mixed bag...

Indeed. I have a green jigsaw (need to get a bit for it and keep it as a
spare) which was ok, but not as good as the DeWalt which replaced it;
the green SDS drill takes a lot of daily stick and never falters - it's
been doing that for 6 years; the old blue 2-sp hammer drill (Swiss made)
is permanently coupled to a right-angle attachment for joists and never
lets me down.

So, it depends on the tool. And the user, of course- some eejits can
kill a power tool in a day.
--

Dave

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:

Actually so does Bosch, but that is somewhat irrelevant.

The Lidl machine is made in Switzerland.

So is Toblerone,

Gosh!

In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:

Actually so does Bosch, but that is somewhat irrelevant.

The Lidl machine is made in Switzerland.

So is Toblerone, but I wouldn't cut wood with that.

You could say something at this end of the market made in an expensive
country is likely to offer even poorer value for money than a Chinese one.
Unless they are being sold at a loss.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 2007-07-07 18:09:56 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
said:

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:

Actually so does Bosch, but that is somewhat irrelevant.

The Lidl machine is made in Switzerland.

So is Toblerone, but I wouldn't cut wood with that.

It's a real anomaly. Generally the Swiss make pretty good chocolate
(although I prefer Belgian) but this product might as well have been
made by Cadbury's.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-07-07 12:07:36 +0100, "Kaiser" said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

A green one or a blue one? Model?


Green model PST 650 PE

OK. Now it makes sense.

If you get an opportunity, try out one of their blue GST models some
time. You would be very surprised. I used to think that jig saws
were generically crap. It was quite an eye opener to see the
difference.

I'll second that, except I was converted by the Makita 4341 - different
kettle of fish to any jigsaw I have ever used before.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On Jul 7, 12:11 am, Frank Erskine
wrote:
Superb quality?
Good quality?
Medium quality?
Indifferent quality?
Low quality?
Bad quality?

These are very good:

http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-T101B-4-...th-T-Shank/dp/
B0000223G7/ref=pd_sim_hi_1/002-9494067-9843200
http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-T101D-4-...th-T-Shank/dp/
B0000223G6/ref=pd_sim_hi_4/002-9494067-9843200

They do a down cutting version too.

cheers,
Pete.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You could say something at this end of the market made in an expensive
country is likely to offer even poorer value for money than a Chinese one.
Unless they are being sold at a loss.

OTOH Swiss tools are frequently assembled by robot to cut costs. The
last time I was in Swissland I watched a program on local TV about
making hammers[1]. Almost 100% of the work was done by robot.


[1] OK I can['t think which was the sadder, me for watching it or them
for making it. It had a phone in quiz, first prize a hammer, second
prize a hammer and third prize a hammer.

On 2007-07-07 23:03:49 +0100, (Steve Firth) said:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You could say something at this end of the market made in an expensive
country is likely to offer even poorer value for money than a Chinese one.
Unless they are being sold at a loss.

OTOH Swiss tools are frequently assembled by robot to cut costs. The
last time I was in Swissland I watched a program on local TV about
making hammers[1]. Almost 100% of the work was done by robot.


[1] OK I can['t think which was the sadder, me for watching it or them
for making it. It had a phone in quiz, first prize a hammer, second
prize a hammer and third prize a hammer.

If I had a hammer.....

Let's be honest though... many Swiss are difficult to discern from
robots anyway. ;-)