I cannot find the answer to this in my "guide to eletrical regs"
book. i wonder if someone here can advise.

I want to add some sockets to the kitchen of our new house. I want
to do this in the next day or so (before we fully move in). I am not
part P certified so I am not allowed to install a new circuit
connected in to the ring main, nor even, I think, to wire up a spur
from an existing socket.

Am I allowed to add sockets in the kitchen and wire them up to a 13A
plug which I then plug in an existing mains socket? Can I legally do
this without building control notification/approval?


This would be a temporary measu My plan is to have a pro check them
and wire them in to the ring main in a few months time (upgrading the
CU and doing other stuff at the same time).

Of course, there are unofficial ways to do this, but I wondered if my
proposed way is legally acceptable.

Robert

On Jun 12, 9:54 am, Robert Laws wrote:
I cannot find the answer to this in my "guide to eletrical regs"
book. i wonder if someone here can advise.

I want to add some sockets to the kitchen of our new house. I want
to do this in the next day or so (before we fully move in). I am not
part P certified so I am not allowed to install a new circuit
connected in to the ring main, nor even, I think, to wire up a spur
from an existing socket.

Am I allowed to add sockets in the kitchen and wire them up to a 13A
plug which I then plug in an existing mains socket? Can I legally do
this without building control notification/approval?

This would be a temporary measu My plan is to have a pro check them
and wire them in to the ring main in a few months time (upgrading the
CU and doing other stuff at the same time).

Of course, there are unofficial ways to do this, but I wondered if my
proposed way is legally acceptable.

Robert

The 'pro' would not be able to certify the work you have done yourself
under the Part P self certification scheme.

That leaves you with several options:-

1) Just do it anyway and forget about it
2) Notify building control
3) If it's only temporary, why not just use some mains extensions.
After all, this is the kind of messy bodge that Part P was clearly
designed to encourage!

Steve

On 12 Jun, 09:54, Robert Laws wrote:

I want to add some sockets to the kitchen of our new house. I want
to do this in the next day or so (before we fully move in). I am not
part P certified so I am not allowed to install a new circuit
connected in to the ring main, nor even, I think, to wire up a spur
from an existing socket.

Unless I mistaken, I believe youre allowed to do all those, but must
also get the part p required paperwork for them.

It turns out that less than 1% of notifiable diy electrical works is
currently getting notified.


NT

Robert Laws wrote:

I want to add some sockets to the kitchen of our new house. I want
to do this in the next day or so (before we fully move in). I am not
part P certified so I am not allowed to install a new circuit
connected in to the ring main, nor even, I think, to wire up a spur
from an existing socket.

You are "allowed", to do all these, but they would be notifiable.

Am I allowed to add sockets in the kitchen and wire them up to a 13A
plug which I then plug in an existing mains socket? Can I legally do
this without building control notification/approval?

Not really. If you rig up something that looks like permanent wiring,
then it is permanent wiring even if it plugs in.


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On Jun 12, 11:45 am, John Rumm wrote:
Robert Laws wrote:
I want to add some sockets to the kitchen of our new house. I want
to do this in the next day or so (before we fully move in). I am not
part P certified so I am not allowed to install a new circuit
connected in to the ring main, nor even, I think, to wire up a spur
from an existing socket.

You are "allowed", to do all these, but they would be notifiable.

Am I allowed to add sockets in the kitchen and wire them up to a 13A
plug which I then plug in an existing mains socket? Can I legally do
this without building control notification/approval?

Not really. If you rig up something that looks like permanent wiring,
then it is permanent wiring even if it plugs in.


thank you, that is very useful.



Robert

John Rumm wrote:
Robert Laws wrote:

I want to add some sockets to the kitchen of our new house. I want
to do this in the next day or so (before we fully move in). I am
not part P certified so I am not allowed to install a new circuit
connected in to the ring main, nor even, I think, to wire up a spur
from an existing socket.

You are "allowed", to do all these, but they would be notifiable.

Am I allowed to add sockets in the kitchen and wire them up to a 13A
plug which I then plug in an existing mains socket? Can I legally
do this without building control notification/approval?

Not really. If you rig up something that looks like permanent wiring,
then it is permanent wiring even if it plugs in.

So, if you screw a 4-way extender to your wall, and clip the lead to the
skirting (still terminating in a 13A plug), is this notifiable?

"Grumps" wrote in message
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John Rumm wrote:
Robert Laws wrote:

I want to add some sockets to the kitchen of our new house. I want
to do this in the next day or so (before we fully move in). I am
not part P certified so I am not allowed to install a new circuit
connected in to the ring main, nor even, I think, to wire up a spur
from an existing socket.

You are "allowed", to do all these, but they would be notifiable.

Am I allowed to add sockets in the kitchen and wire them up to a 13A
plug which I then plug in an existing mains socket? Can I legally
do this without building control notification/approval?

Not really. If you rig up something that looks like permanent wiring,
then it is permanent wiring even if it plugs in.

So, if you screw a 4-way extender to your wall, and clip the lead to the
skirting (still terminating in a 13A plug), is this notifiable?

No.

Adam

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Grumps wrote:

John Rumm wrote:
Robert Laws wrote:

I want to add some sockets to the kitchen of our new house. I want
to do this in the next day or so (before we fully move in). I am
not part P certified so I am not allowed to install a new circuit
connected in to the ring main, nor even, I think, to wire up a spur
from an existing socket.

You are "allowed", to do all these, but they would be notifiable.

Am I allowed to add sockets in the kitchen and wire them up to a 13A
plug which I then plug in an existing mains socket? Can I legally
do this without building control notification/approval?

Not really. If you rig up something that looks like permanent wiring,
then it is permanent wiring even if it plugs in.

So, if you screw a 4-way extender to your wall, and clip the lead to
the skirting (still terminating in a 13A plug), is this notifiable?

No - and you could daisy-chain several of those together if you wished!

The *total* load from all the sockets would have to be less than 13A though.
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Grumps wrote:

Not really. If you rig up something that looks like permanent wiring,
then it is permanent wiring even if it plugs in.

So, if you screw a 4-way extender to your wall, and clip the lead to the
skirting (still terminating in a 13A plug), is this notifiable?

You are probably ok with extension leads. However if you wired up
sockets with T&E cable, chased them in etc, then fitting a plug would
not make them "temporary". Same would apply if you wired a fixed
appliance that way (like a boiler).

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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
John Rumm wrote:

Grumps wrote:

Not really. If you rig up something that looks like permanent
wiring, then it is permanent wiring even if it plugs in.

So, if you screw a 4-way extender to your wall, and clip the lead to
the skirting (still terminating in a 13A plug), is this notifiable?

You are probably ok with extension leads. However if you wired up
sockets with T&E cable, chased them in etc, then fitting a plug would
not make them "temporary". Same would apply if you wired a fixed
appliance that way (like a boiler).

Indeed. So what happens? Lots of people adopt solutions which don't require
Part P notification - but which are inherently less safe! Why can't the
bunch of comedians who purport to run our country *understand* that?

[Probably for the same reason that they can't understand that reducing waste
collection frequency - and installing chips in wheely bins - will encourage
fly tipping and lead to untold health hazards].
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:52:52 +0100 someone who may be "Roger Mills"
wrote this:-

Indeed. So what happens? Lots of people adopt solutions which don't require
Part P notification - but which are inherently less safe! Why can't the
bunch of comedians who purport to run our country *understand* that?

Perhaps someone funded their political party.

[Probably for the same reason that they can't understand that reducing waste
collection frequency - and installing chips in wheely bins - will encourage
fly tipping and lead to untold health hazards].

I am not aware of anywhere where waste collection frequency has been
reduced. In many places the frequency is greater than it was.

What has been changed is what is collected on a particular
collection. In the bad old days everything was collected and put
into a hole. In the 21st Century we need to be rather more
intelligent than that.


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