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Vinyl flooring - how to install
I have decided to buy some Vinyl flooring for the kitchen and put it in
myself. A couple of questions: 1) Is the more expensive vinyl worth paying for over the cheaper stuff? (I can onlt really afford the cheap stuff so its probably a moot point but something I'd liek to know) - for example I am interested in preventing people slipping over when it is wet...? 2) Is it best to cut the floor to shape outside and then bring it in and hope I have done it right or try and carve it up inside the actual kitchen? The shape of the ktichen is quite weird so I am wondeirng how i will get all the non straight bits done properly - any tips? See a picture drawing he http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/4816/untitledgm5.jpg 3) What is the best way to stick the stuff down? Can you buy special adhesive and do oyu only need to do it o nthe edges or do you glue it ALL down? Any other tips? |
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1) Is the more expensive vinyl worth paying for over the cheaper stuff? (I can onlt really afford the cheap stuff so its probably a moot point but something I'd liek to know) - for example I am interested in preventing people slipping over when it is wet...? I think the major factor is the thickness of the material... you can get away with thinner stuff if the underlying floor is dead flat, but even then it will wear out much faster than the thicker stuff. 2) Is it best to cut the floor to shape outside and then bring it in and hope I have done it right or try and carve it up inside the actual kitchen? No, you do it in situ. You get it roughly in place with big overlaps all the way round so it the centre of the flooring is kind of 'locked' in place, then work your way round the room cutting to size as you go. Personally I find it quite difficult to get right - it's very easy to put a cut in the wrong direction and then you've trashed it. Fitting out a single room is probably a minimum charge from a fitter: 30-40 quid maybe? 3) What is the best way to stick the stuff down? Can you buy special adhesive and do oyu only need to do it o nthe edges or do you glue it ALL down? Double-sided tape around the perimeter only. David |
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On 2007-05-04 01:46:43 +0100, "Mo" said:
I have decided to buy some Vinyl flooring for the kitchen and put it in myself. A couple of questions: 1) Is the more expensive vinyl worth paying for over the cheaper stuff? (I can onlt really afford the cheap stuff so its probably a moot point but something I'd liek to know) - for example I am interested in preventing people slipping over when it is wet...? 2) Is it best to cut the floor to shape outside and then bring it in and hope I have done it right or try and carve it up inside the actual kitchen? The shape of the ktichen is quite weird so I am wondeirng how i will get all the non straight bits done properly - any tips? See a picture drawing he http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/4816/untitledgm5.jpg 3) What is the best way to stick the stuff down? Can you buy special adhesive and do oyu only need to do it o nthe edges or do you glue it ALL down? Any other tips? For this, the best advice would be don't. If you want to DIY use tiles instead. In any case the result will be far superior. If you must use plastic flooring, then for a complex shape like this, get the job done professionally, by the supplier so that he takes responsibility for the whole supply and fit. |
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"Mo" wrote in message ... I have decided to buy some Vinyl flooring for the kitchen and put it in myself. A couple of questions: 1) Is the more expensive vinyl worth paying for over the cheaper stuff? (I can onlt really afford the cheap stuff so its probably a moot point but something I'd liek to know) - for example I am interested in preventing people slipping over when it is wet...? The cheap stuff is thinner, allowing imperfections show through more easily, so preparation is the key. The pattern is also likely to wear off faster. I have some industrial grade vinyl flooring that was laid in a factory c 1990 and has had heavy use ever since, which is still in good condition. 2) Is it best to cut the floor to shape outside and then bring it in and hope I have done it right or try and carve it up inside the actual kitchen? The shape of the ktichen is quite weird so I am wondeirng how i will get all the non straight bits done properly - any tips? See a picture drawing he http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/4816/untitledgm5.jpg For cutting flooring, I get big sheets of Kraft (brown wrapping) paper and cut that to shape in the room. I then transfer it to the material I want to cut, leaving a couple of inches margin all around. Then I put the flooring into the room and trim to fit. 3) What is the best way to stick the stuff down? Can you buy special adhesive and do oyu only need to do it o nthe edges or do you glue it ALL down? The flooring in my kitchen isn't stuck down at all. It is, however, heavy duty and held down at the doorways by metal finishing strips. Colin Bignell |
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On Fri, 4 May 2007 08:53:28 +0100, "nightjar" nightjar@insert my
surnme here.uk.com wrote: "Mo" wrote in message ... I have decided to buy some Vinyl flooring for the kitchen and put it in myself. A couple of questions: 1) Is the more expensive vinyl worth paying for over the cheaper stuff? (I can onlt really afford the cheap stuff so its probably a moot point but something I'd liek to know) - for example I am interested in preventing people slipping over when it is wet...? The cheap stuff is thinner, allowing imperfections show through more easily, so preparation is the key. The pattern is also likely to wear off faster. I have some industrial grade vinyl flooring that was laid in a factory c 1990 and has had heavy use ever since, which is still in good condition. A lot of manufacturers will quote the thickness of the 'wear' layer. More is good. M |
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In article , "Mo"
wrote: I have decided to buy some Vinyl flooring for the kitchen and put it in myself. I've nothing to add to the good advice already here, except (1) I second the idea to "get a fitter". It will (actually) be less expensive, and a *lot* less stressful than doing it yourself (and will be a better job). (2) If you do end up doing it yourself: I was once told that a carpet fitter changes his Stanley blade almost after every cut! In other words, do not scrimp on new blades. john |
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Cheers
Too late to back out now! After massive hassle - and finding 2 shops in the entire city that do vinyl in 4m rolls I got a piece 4 x 3.5m - it is HUGE. Seems to be very good quality and I managed to bargain the price down so I reckon I got some OK stuff. I like the idea of cutting out the entire floor on cheap brown paper and then copying it onto the actual vinyl is very good thinking. where the hell do you get the massive sheets from - B and Q? if it all goes OK I'll post a picture, lol |
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"Mo" wrote in message ... Cheers Too late to back out now! After massive hassle - and finding 2 shops in the entire city that do vinyl in 4m rolls I got a piece 4 x 3.5m - it is HUGE. Seems to be very good quality and I managed to bargain the price down so I reckon I got some OK stuff. I like the idea of cutting out the entire floor on cheap brown paper and then copying it onto the actual vinyl is very good thinking. where the hell do you get the massive sheets from - B and Q? I buy the stuff in 1.2m wide rolls from industrial packing suppliers, but then I also use it for wrapping goods in my business. Colin Bignell |
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"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surnme here wrote in message ... "Mo" wrote in message ... Cheers I like the idea of cutting out the entire floor on cheap brown paper and then copying it onto the actual vinyl is very good thinking. where the hell do you get the massive sheets from - B and Q? I buy the stuff in 1.2m wide rolls from industrial packing suppliers, but then I also use it for wrapping goods in my business. Colin Bignell A good paper to use for making patterns of floors is Carpet Underlay Paper. It is floppy, in the sense that when you put it on the floor it flops down flat and stays there, but at the same time is adequately rigid enough to hold its shape well when the pattern is cut. I buy mine from B & Q, it is grey in colour in rolls about one metre wide. I have used it successfully over the years for bathroom and kitchen flooring. For scribing lines round difficult items, like toilet pans, wash-basin pedestals etc., I find a Trend "Perfect Butt" tool helpful. Anode. |
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Anode wrote:
I find a Trend "Perfect Butt" tool helpful. Fnarr, Fnarr. |
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In message , Mo
writes Cheers Too late to back out now! After massive hassle - and finding 2 shops in the entire city that do vinyl in 4m rolls I got a piece 4 x 3.5m - it is HUGE. Seems to be very good quality and I managed to bargain the price down so I reckon I got some OK stuff. I like the idea of cutting out the entire floor on cheap brown paper and then copying it onto the actual vinyl is very good thinking. where the hell do you get the massive sheets from - B and Q? if it all goes OK I'll post a picture, lol Go back to the shop and see if they offer or can recommend some fitters. My kitchen "roll-end" was 6x4m, very big, very heavy. The 40 quid paid to a couple of fitters for 30 minutes of their time was 40 quid very well spent! -- steve |
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Cheers
Too late to back out now! After massive hassle - and finding 2 shops in the entire city that do vinyl in 4m rolls I got a piece 4 x 3.5m - it is HUGE. Seems to be very good quality and I managed to bargain the price down so I reckon I got some OK stuff. I like the idea of cutting out the entire floor on cheap brown paper and then copying it onto the actual vinyl is very good thinking. where the hell do you get the massive sheets from - B and Q? if it all goes OK I'll post a picture, lol |
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On Fri, 04 May 2007 17:34:47 +0100, Mo wrote:
Cheers Too late to back out now! After massive hassle - and finding 2 shops in the entire city that do vinyl in 4m rolls I got a piece 4 x 3.5m - it is HUGE. Seems to be very good quality and I managed to bargain the price down so I reckon I got some OK stuff. I like the idea of cutting out the entire floor on cheap brown paper and then copying it onto the actual vinyl is very good thinking. where the hell do you get the massive sheets from - B and Q? if it all goes OK I'll post a picture, lol =============================== Buy a roll (or several) of lining paper (wallpaper 33' long x 20" wide) and some masking tape. Stick together as required. Cic. -- ================================ Testing UBUNTU Linux Windows shown the door ================================ |
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Anyone have anymore tips to offer before I start tomorrow?
The floor is flat with plastic tiles. Tonight I will remove all the stuff that can be removed and wash the floor. Tomorrow I'll draw out the room on paper. I have also bought a massive roll of lining paper which I will put down on the floor and tape together. I will then have a lifesize template of the room. I'll then go outside and cut around the template. Bring the vinyl in, cut around the finer details. Finally I have some strong double sided table which I will tape down the perimter and some of the centre with. Finally, I'll have those things that go in between doors nailed down to stop movement even further Any tips on: 1) The best way to get a flush cut with the blade- what is the best approach to getting straight edges? 2) How to go about getting the template cut out. Obviously I'll leave extra on edges but how much? If for example I leave extra on the outer corners, when I put it down - all of my 'inner' corners will not match up exactly - so it actually makes more sense to go for a perfect templae cut out....hmm.. |
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Hi Mo
Firstly - I think you've being very brave to attempt this. Laying vinyl and carpet is something I leave completely to the pros - at least that way it's them that gets to replace the stuff if they cock up the cutting..... So - no tips from personal experience - only from watching other people doing it ! On Fri, 4 May 2007 21:01:07 +0100, "Mo" wrote: Anyone have anymore tips to offer before I start tomorrow? The floor is flat with plastic tiles. Tonight I will remove all the stuff that can be removed and wash the floor. Tomorrow I'll draw out the room on paper. I have also bought a massive roll of lining paper which I will put down on the floor and tape together. I will then have a lifesize template of the room. I'll then go outside and cut around the template. Bring the vinyl in, cut around the finer details. If you have somewhere big enough, I'd be tempted to lay the vinyl and the paper template out and cut the vinyl before bringing it into the room where you're going to fit it. Finally I have some strong double sided table which I will tape down the perimter and some of the centre with. Finally, I'll have those things that go in between doors nailed down to stop movement even further Any tips on: 1) The best way to get a flush cut with the blade- what is the best approach to getting straight edges? The people I've seen often use one of those Stanley knife blades with the curved blade - the sharp edge is hook-shaped. Don't know quite what the benefit is....? Also - the usual techinque seems to be to cut diagonally towards an outside corner - then you can get the vinyl to lie down flat on the floor and you can cut along the 'skirting' line with the knife. Judging by the bits he left behind - the last fellow to fit some vinyl here seemed to deliverately 'over-cut' the vinyl - and then 'shave off' thin slivers to get the final fit right. Don't remember if you said what room you were fitting - if it's a kitchen, remember that many kitchen units have clip-on plinths - so you can tuck the vinyl underneath the plinth and not neeed to make an accurate / visible cut.... 2) How to go about getting the template cut out. Obviously I'll leave extra on edges but how much? If for example I leave extra on the outer corners, when I put it down - all of my 'inner' corners will not match up exactly - so it actually makes more sense to go for a perfect templae cut out....hmm.. Don't think that'll work - I'd leave a couple of inches all round - at least..... but then, I'd also get a vinyl fitter in ! Good luck Adrian |
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