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Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works


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geoff

On 2007-05-02 21:54:26 +0100, raden said:

In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works

Even for a rijsttafel?

I needed yogurt earlier which is very unusual for me.

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works

Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor like
Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some (like my
Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it

David

On 2007-05-02 22:46:43 +0100, Lobster said:

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works

Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor like
Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some (like my
Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it

David

That depends on the GP, how hard you push and how high you are willing
to raise the stakes.

Doctors practise....

In message , Andy Hall writes
On 2007-05-02 22:46:43 +0100, Lobster said:

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548
I find that gaviscon normally works
Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor
like Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some
(like my Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it
David

That depends on the GP, how hard you push and how high you are willing
to raise the stakes.

And how far you live from CERN


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geoff

In message , Andy Hall writes
On 2007-05-02 21:54:26 +0100, raden said:

In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548
I find that gaviscon normally works

Even for a rijsttafel?

I needed yogurt earlier which is very unusual for me.


Pervert !

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geoff

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-05-02 22:46:43 +0100, Lobster
said:

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works

Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor like
Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some (like my
Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it


That depends on the GP, how hard you push and how high you are willing
to raise the stakes.

I think the main factor involved is the patient not knowing that there's
something much better available. My dad was prescribed a PPI when the
Gaviscon hadn't worked after 2-3 days; though I would hope that under
those circumstances the GP would have changed it even had Dad not been
armed with the new info.

David

On 2007-05-03 00:22:25 +0100, raden said:

In message , Andy Hall writes
On 2007-05-02 22:46:43 +0100, Lobster said:

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548
I find that gaviscon normally works
Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor like
Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some (like my
Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it
David

That depends on the GP, how hard you push and how high you are willing
to raise the stakes.

And how far you live from CERN

The pharma companies are mainly in Basel....

On 2007-05-03 00:22:25 +0100, raden said:

In message , Andy Hall writes
On 2007-05-02 21:54:26 +0100, raden said:

In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548
I find that gaviscon normally works

Even for a rijsttafel?

I needed yogurt earlier which is very unusual for me.


Pervert !

It was a particularly heavily atomic rendang......

On 2007-05-03 08:04:27 +0100, Lobster said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-05-02 22:46:43 +0100, Lobster said:

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works

Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor like
Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some (like my
Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it


That depends on the GP, how hard you push and how high you are willing
to raise the stakes.

I think the main factor involved is the patient not knowing that
there's something much better available.

Often true, and sometimes the doctor also. Mine at least freely admits
that I know much more about each of my medical conditions than he does.
That's a good basis on which to go to him armed with suitable clinical
studies and NICE guidelines.



My dad was prescribed a PPI when the Gaviscon hadn't worked after 2-3
days; though I would hope that under those circumstances the GP would
have changed it even had Dad not been armed with the new info.


I wish I shared your confidence. One problem to face is that a lot
of people even now, don't believe that it is their place to question or
challenge the doctor. For many, it costs them their lives, quite
literally.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-05-03 08:04:27 +0100, Lobster
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-05-02 22:46:43 +0100, Lobster
said:

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works

Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor
like Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some
(like my Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it


That depends on the GP, how hard you push and how high you are
willing to raise the stakes.

I think the main factor involved is the patient not knowing that
there's something much better available.

Often true, and sometimes the doctor also. Mine at least freely admits
that I know much more about each of my medical conditions than he does.
That's a good basis on which to go to him armed with suitable clinical
studies and NICE guidelines.

Bet he *really* looks forward to your visits...!

David

On 2007-05-03 20:18:10 +0100, Lobster said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-05-03 08:04:27 +0100, Lobster said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-05-02 22:46:43 +0100, Lobster said:

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works

Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor like
Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some (like my
Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it


That depends on the GP, how hard you push and how high you are willing
to raise the stakes.

I think the main factor involved is the patient not knowing that
there's something much better available.

Often true, and sometimes the doctor also. Mine at least freely admits
that I know much more about each of my medical conditions than he does.
That's a good basis on which to go to him armed with suitable clinical
studies and NICE guidelines.

Bet he *really* looks forward to your visits...!

David

Yes he does, funnily enough. Likes a challenge. He gets fed up with
people who just walk in, aren't willing to take any responsibility for
themselves and just expect him to write a prescription for some little
white pills to fix whatever ailment they have. That is a direct
byproduct of socialised medicine.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 2007-05-03 20:18:10 +0100, Lobster
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-05-03 08:04:27 +0100, Lobster
said:

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-05-02 22:46:43 +0100, Lobster
said:

raden wrote:
In message , Psst
writes
Item 300106407548

I find that gaviscon normally works

Nah - old hat, mate: you should be using a proton-pump inhibitor
like Losec. Hits the GP's drug budget much harder though, so some
(like my Dad's - grr...) are less likely to prescribe it


That depends on the GP, how hard you push and how high you are willing
to raise the stakes.

I think the main factor involved is the patient not knowing that
there's something much better available.

Often true, and sometimes the doctor also. Mine at least freely admits
that I know much more about each of my medical conditions than he does.
That's a good basis on which to go to him armed with suitable clinical
studies and NICE guidelines.

Bet he *really* looks forward to your visits...!

David

Yes he does, funnily enough. Likes a challenge. He gets fed up with
people who just walk in, aren't willing to take any responsibility for
themselves and just expect him to write a prescription for some little
white pills to fix whatever ailment they have. That is a direct
byproduct of socialised medicine.

Mine is similar. He accepts that anyone who can use the Internet wisely can
know as much, if not more, about a specific subject than he does. My current
medication has been negotiated, rather than prescribed and, as a result of
discussions with me, he discovered that an irritating cough was a much more
frequent side effect of a common hypertension medication than the
manufacturers reported. The patients he asked had simply not associated the
cough with taking the medication.

Colin Bignell