Just had my main hd crash on my main desktop pc.
Its unrecoverable so i'm faced with a RMA replacement and a rebuild

Given that im gonna have to rebuild Im wondering is now
the time to jump ship to vista ?


Ive got a athlon 64 3500+ and 1gb memory
graphics card is a geforce 6600gt (agp)


Should i stick with xp or would vista be a sensible move at this stage
and if so which version (32bit or 64 bit ?) of the premium edition

Opinions anyone

Thanks in advance....

On 2007-03-16 19:38:30 +0000, dkh said:

Just had my main hd crash on my main desktop pc.
Its unrecoverable so i'm faced with a RMA replacement and a rebuild

Given that im gonna have to rebuild Im wondering is now
the time to jump ship to vista ?


Ive got a athlon 64 3500+ and 1gb memory
graphics card is a geforce 6600gt (agp)


Should i stick with xp or would vista be a sensible move at this stage
and if so which version (32bit or 64 bit ?) of the premium edition

Opinions anyone

Thanks in advance....

Vista would not be a sensible move at this stage, or probably at any other.

Here is your opportunity to install an operating system on your PC for the
first time in its life.

Clearly it will thank you for installing a Linux distribution and the
extra performance,
functionality and stability will amaze you.

The best part is that for the money that you will save by not putting
money into the pockets
of Gates and henchman (Linux and applications are essentially free at
point of purchase)
you will be able to afford a respectable backup arrangement for the machine.

Yes, this is your opportunity to return from the Dark Side into the Light.

There are 64bit versions too. Still free.

Andy Hall wrote in :

On 2007-03-16 19:38:30 +0000, dkh said:

Just had my main hd crash on my main desktop pc.
Its unrecoverable so i'm faced with a RMA replacement and a rebuild

Given that im gonna have to rebuild Im wondering is now
the time to jump ship to vista ?


Ive got a athlon 64 3500+ and 1gb memory
graphics card is a geforce 6600gt (agp)


Should i stick with xp or would vista be a sensible move at this
stage and if so which version (32bit or 64 bit ?) of the premium
edition

Opinions anyone

Thanks in advance....

Vista would not be a sensible move at this stage, or probably at any
other.

Here is your opportunity to install an operating system on your PC for
the first time in its life.

Clearly it will thank you for installing a Linux distribution and the
extra performance,
functionality and stability will amaze you.

The best part is that for the money that you will save by not putting
money into the pockets
of Gates and henchman (Linux and applications are essentially free at
point of purchase)
you will be able to afford a respectable backup arrangement for the
machine.

Yes, this is your opportunity to return from the Dark Side into the
Light.

There are 64bit versions too. Still free.


Lol
I appreciate the sentiments (already have 2 debian linux pcs in the
house) but i need to have a windows pc for other non linux stuff and i
need to have microsoft office etc (ive tried the linux versions and they
dont support the advanced features of word for eg)

d

dkh wrote in :

Andy Hall wrote in :

On 2007-03-16 19:38:30 +0000, dkh said:

Just had my main hd crash on my main desktop pc.
Its unrecoverable so i'm faced with a RMA replacement and a rebuild

Given that im gonna have to rebuild Im wondering is now
the time to jump ship to vista ?


Ive got a athlon 64 3500+ and 1gb memory
graphics card is a geforce 6600gt (agp)


Should i stick with xp or would vista be a sensible move at this
stage and if so which version (32bit or 64 bit ?) of the premium
edition

Opinions anyone

Thanks in advance....

Vista would not be a sensible move at this stage, or probably at any
other.

Here is your opportunity to install an operating system on your PC for
the first time in its life.

Clearly it will thank you for installing a Linux distribution and the
extra performance,
functionality and stability will amaze you.

The best part is that for the money that you will save by not putting
money into the pockets
of Gates and henchman (Linux and applications are essentially free at
point of purchase)
you will be able to afford a respectable backup arrangement for the
machine.

Yes, this is your opportunity to return from the Dark Side into the
Light.

There are 64bit versions too. Still free.


Lol
I appreciate the sentiments (already have 2 debian linux pcs in the
house) but i need to have a windows pc for other non linux stuff and i
need to have microsoft office etc (ive tried the linux versions and they
dont support the advanced features of word for eg)

d


oops, forgive my stupidity, please ignore this thread - i meant to post the
original query in uk.comp.homebuilt but a slip of the fingers and i ended
up in uk.d-i-y

On 2007-03-16 20:21:11 +0000, dkh said:

oops, forgive my stupidity, please ignore this thread - i meant to post the
original query in uk.comp.homebuilt but a slip of the fingers and i ended
up in uk.d-i-y

Yes but you'll get far more informed answers here.

On 2007-03-16 20:17:13 +0000, dkh said:


Lol
I appreciate the sentiments (already have 2 debian linux pcs in the
house) but i need to have a windows pc for other non linux stuff and i
need to have microsoft office

Oh dear. I didn't think that anybody *needed* to have Orifice.


etc (ive tried the linux versions and they
dont support the advanced features of word for eg)


Does anyone use those?


At any rate, have you thought about running Linux on the machine
and then running the Redmond malware under VMware?

The machine is plenty powerful enough to do this and it as the advantage
that you can keep virtual machines (essentially files) with everything
installed
and ready to go. Then when the Seattle **** breaks beyond time economic
repair, as it always does, you can simply drop in another copy and be
up and going
again in about 2 minutes flat.

I'm using a similar technique for a couple of legacy conferencing
applications that
run only on Washingtonware and are not yet available for the Mac and it works
very well indeed.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

At any rate, have you thought about running Linux on the machine
and then running the Redmond malware under VMware?

I'm doing the opposite and running SUSE in M$ virtual PC.
At least that way my scanner works.

On 2007-03-16 21:50:06 +0000, "dennis@home"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

At any rate, have you thought about running Linux on the machine
and then running the Redmond malware under VMware?

I'm doing the opposite and running SUSE in M$ virtual PC.
At least that way my scanner works.

Hmmmm..... Never tried that. Seems like one of those inverted pyramid
puzzles.

Matthew 7:24-27 springs to mind

24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into
practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain
came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that
house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into
practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain
came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that
house, and it fell with a great crash."

It all fits. Clearly Heaven runs Linux and Hades runs M$

and is all here

http://www.zejn.si/~natan/666.html



Sane works very well for me...

dkh wrote:
Lol
I appreciate the sentiments (already have 2 debian linux pcs in the
house) but i need to have a windows pc for other non linux stuff and i
need to have microsoft office etc (ive tried the linux versions and they
dont support the advanced features of word for eg)

Run Vmware on one of the Debian boxes and have Windows as a guest
system, all sorts of advantages and virtually no disadvantages.

--
Chris Green

In article ,
dkh wrote:

Lol
I appreciate the sentiments (already have 2 debian linux pcs in the
house) but i need to have a windows pc for other non linux stuff and i
need to have microsoft office etc (ive tried the linux versions and they
dont support the advanced features of word for eg)

'Scuse the late followup, but there's a commercial version of WINE
called Crossover, which runs M$ Office and Internet Exploder perfectly
(I'm assured by others who need such things).
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/

Download the free trial, if it works for you then pay the modest price
and spend the rest of the money you would have spent on another Wodniws
licence on beer/gadgets/powertools etc. Usual disclaimer.

ObDIY: Now .. about this staircase of mine ...

Nick (*waves* at people here he hasn't met for years !)
--
http://www.leverton.org/blosxom ... So express yourself

"Nick Leverton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dkh wrote:

Lol
I appreciate the sentiments (already have 2 debian linux pcs in the
house) but i need to have a windows pc for other non linux stuff and i
need to have microsoft office etc (ive tried the linux versions and they
dont support the advanced features of word for eg)

'Scuse the late followup, but there's a commercial version of WINE
called Crossover, which runs M$ Office and Internet Exploder perfectly
(I'm assured by others who need such things).
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/

Download the free trial, if it works for you then pay the modest price
and spend the rest of the money you would have spent on another Wodniws
licence on beer/gadgets/powertools etc. Usual disclaimer.

If it uses WINE which is GPL then doesn't that mean cross-over must also be
GPL.
Ask them for the source and compile it for free.
If its GPL they have to make the source freely available.

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
"Nick Leverton" wrote in message
...

Download the free trial, if it works for you then pay the modest price
and spend the rest of the money you would have spent on another Wodniws
licence on beer/gadgets/powertools etc. Usual disclaimer.

If it uses WINE which is GPL then doesn't that mean cross-over must also be
GPL.
Ask them for the source and compile it for free.
If its GPL they have to make the source freely available.

I really really don't want to start a GPL licensing thread :-) but if
you check WINE's licence at http://www.winehq.com/site/license you'll see
that it uses the LGPL, which allows it to be linked into a larger product
without the larger product being GPL'd itself.

And as you can see he
http://source.winehq.org/git/?p=wine...=codeweaver s
they are still contributing a vast number of fixes back into the Open
Source version of WINE.

ObDIY: I've no axe to grind ...

Nick
--
http://www.leverton.org/blosxom ... So express yourself

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:50:03 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:

There are 64bit versions too. Still free.

yebbut there's a lot of non-free stuff (like Acrobat reader) which doesn't
have 64-bit versions, and Automatix doesn't install 32-bit versions of all
of them for you so you've got to manually configure a 32-bit chrooted
environment ... or something: haven't got round to it yet (I run 32-bit
apps off another box via ssh -X).

In article , John Stumbles
writes
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:50:03 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:

There are 64bit versions too. Still free.

yebbut there's a lot of non-free stuff (like Acrobat reader) which doesn't
have 64-bit versions, and Automatix doesn't install 32-bit versions of all
of them for you so you've got to manually configure a 32-bit chrooted
environment ... or something: haven't got round to it yet (I run 32-bit
apps off another box via ssh -X).


Acrobat reader?, pah! its more like bloated reader.

This is much lighter quicker and free

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
--
Tony Sayer

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:06:49 +0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , John Stumbles
writes

yebbut there's a lot of non-free stuff (like Acrobat reader) which
doesn't have 64-bit versions,

Acrobat reader?, pah! its more like bloated reader.
This is much lighter quicker and free
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

But it's for windoze :-(

On 2007-03-16 23:56:33 +0000, John Stumbles said:

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:50:03 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:

There are 64bit versions too. Still free.

yebbut there's a lot of non-free stuff (like Acrobat reader) which doesn't
have 64-bit versions, and Automatix doesn't install 32-bit versions of all
of them for you so you've got to manually configure a 32-bit chrooted
environment ... or something: haven't got round to it yet (I run 32-bit
apps off another box via ssh -X).

There you go.

Far better than RDP anyway

In article ,
John Stumbles writes:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:50:03 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:

There are 64bit versions too. Still free.

yebbut there's a lot of non-free stuff (like Acrobat reader) which doesn't
have 64-bit versions, and Automatix doesn't install 32-bit versions of all
of them for you so you've got to manually configure a 32-bit chrooted
environment ... or something: haven't got round to it yet (I run 32-bit
apps off another box via ssh -X).

Does 64 bit Linux really behave this badly?
Take a look at Solaris x86/x64 -- I run a mixture of 32 and 64 bit
apps without knowing or caring which is which, and certainly without
having to build different environments to run them in.

If you want a GNU look-and-feel, then you might look at NexentaOS
which is Debian/Ubuntu with a Solaris kernel, although I don't
know how they handle mixed 32/64 bit applications, and given it
sounds like the problem you mention above is a user-land problem,
not a kernel one, it might be same problem as on Linux.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:10:00 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Take a look at Solaris x86/x64

But not AMD64 by the look of it.


-- I run a mixture of 32 and 64 bit
apps without knowing or caring which is which, and certainly without
having to build different environments to run them in.

But do you have a Realplayer, acroread, or flash 8 or 9?


If you want a GNU look-and-feel

No thanks ptui! - I'm a KDE weenie ;-) But it looks like they've got
kde in the repository, so that's OK.

I don't know how they handle mixed 32/64 bit applications, and given
it sounds like the problem you mention above is a user-land problem, not
a kernel one, it might be same problem as on Linux.

The problem AIUI is that the shrink-wrapped stuff expects certain
libraries and if Shrink-wrap Inc doesn't do a version of their app for
AMD64 the workaround is to install the IA32 version along with IA32 libs
in a chrooted environment. I wouldn't expect to get that problem with the
solaris distro because you probably can't get even the 32-bit versions for
it :-) Looks like Nexenta's equivalent workaround is BrandZ "Allows to
run Linux userland".

BTW I hope the distro is more stable than the wibble - try following the
'homepage' link from
http://www.gnusolaris.org/archive/el...le/newpkg_main !

Anyway the vmware version looks worth a spin - thanks for the pointer!

In article ,
John Stumbles writes:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:10:00 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Take a look at Solaris x86/x64

But not AMD64 by the look of it.

This AMD64 system has been running Solaris x86/x64 in 64 bit mode
since I bought it in October 2004.

-- I run a mixture of 32 and 64 bit
apps without knowing or caring which is which, and certainly without
having to build different environments to run them in.

But do you have a Realplayer, acroread, or flash 8 or 9?

I don't keep up to date with these things as I don't use them.
Realplayer -- don't know
Acroread -- I use an old version, but I think there's a newer one,
but probably not the latest. There are several non-adobe ones.
Flashplayer 9 is available for Solaris in beta from adobe.

If you want a GNU look-and-feel

No thanks ptui! - I'm a KDE weenie ;-) But it looks like they've got
kde in the repository, so that's OK.

I don't know how they handle mixed 32/64 bit applications, and given
it sounds like the problem you mention above is a user-land problem, not
a kernel one, it might be same problem as on Linux.

The problem AIUI is that the shrink-wrapped stuff expects certain
libraries and if Shrink-wrap Inc doesn't do a version of their app for
AMD64 the workaround is to install the IA32 version along with IA32 libs
in a chrooted environment. I wouldn't expect to get that problem with the
solaris distro because you probably can't get even the 32-bit versions for
it :-)

Solaris x86 kernel runs in 64 bit mode if you have a 64 bit
capable CPU, or 32 bit mode otherwise. The 64 bit kernel runs
32 and 64 bit applications completely transparently (and without
any form of emulation). All applications must come in 32 bit mode
(or they won't run on 32 bit only CPUs), but they can also come
in 64 bit mode if they can benefit from it. All libraries come in
both 32 and 64 bit mode.

Looks like Nexenta's equivalent workaround is BrandZ "Allows to
run Linux userland".

BrandZ is a Zone (a Solaris containment mechanism a bit like BSD
jails, but much more fully featured) into which is installed a
Linux system minus kernel, rather than another Solaris system as
is the case with normal Zones. A BrandZ Zone then also provides
an alternate syscall layer into the Solaris kernel which provides
the same interface as a Linux kernel, rather than the standard
Solaris syscall layer.

However, Nexenta is a Solaris distribution in which the userland
is all Debian rather than Solaris anyway, so you probably won't
need to use BrandZ for anything except binaries which are supplied
only for Linux.

I have done lots of work on Linux servers, but I'm not a serious
Linux desktop user, so I can't give you first-hand experience of
Nexenta verses Linux. However, I was in a meeting with a number
of Linux die-hards recently. One of them asked if anyone had
tried Nexenta, and about 5 of them had, and they were extremely
complimentary about it. None had a single negative comment, and
those that had measured performance found it significantly better
than a full Linux distro, and it was much more responsive and
stable under heavy load than Linux is. A couple of them had
noticed it also includes Dtrace, and been totally converted to
using it for identifying system problems (something Linux has
always been particularly bad at doing), and could not imagine
using any OS in the future which didn't have Dtrace. (It is
being ported to several other OS's at the moment, including
Linux.) As these were not the kind of comments I normally hear
from Linux die-hards, it looks like Nexenta may have something
particularly compelling to offer them.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article , dkh
writes
Just had my main hd crash on my main desktop pc.
Its unrecoverable so i'm faced with a RMA replacement and a rebuild

Given that im gonna have to rebuild Im wondering is now
the time to jump ship to vista ?


Ive got a athlon 64 3500+ and 1gb memory
graphics card is a geforce 6600gt (agp)


Should i stick with xp or would vista be a sensible move at this stage
and if so which version (32bit or 64 bit ?) of the premium edition

Opinions anyone

Thanks in advance....

Well I'm still very happy with WIN 2000 Pro which does all I need:-)

However here is one opinion;!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9...elated&search=
--
Tony Sayer

"dkh" wrote in message
. ..
Just had my main hd crash on my main desktop pc.
Its unrecoverable so i'm faced with a RMA replacement and a rebuild

Given that im gonna have to rebuild Im wondering is now
the time to jump ship to vista ?


Ive got a athlon 64 3500+ and 1gb memory
graphics card is a geforce 6600gt (agp)


Should i stick with xp or would vista be a sensible move at this stage
and if so which version (32bit or 64 bit ?) of the premium edition

Opinions anyone

Its an operating system.
You spend 99% of your time in applications not the OS.
Unless you want to use one or more of the applications supplied with vista
why waste the cash?

Thanks in advance....

On 2007-03-16 21:33:21 +0000, "dennis@home"
said:


"dkh" wrote in message
. ..
Just had my main hd crash on my main desktop pc.
Its unrecoverable so i'm faced with a RMA replacement and a rebuild

Given that im gonna have to rebuild Im wondering is now
the time to jump ship to vista ?


Ive got a athlon 64 3500+ and 1gb memory
graphics card is a geforce 6600gt (agp)


Should i stick with xp or would vista be a sensible move at this stage
and if so which version (32bit or 64 bit ?) of the premium edition

Opinions anyone

Its an operating system.

In the minimalist definition of that. Almost.


You spend 99% of your time in applications not the OS.

One would like to hope so.


Unless you want to use one or more of the applications supplied with vista
why waste the cash?


That's true anyway

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:38:30 GMT, dkh wrote:

Just had my main hd crash on my main desktop pc.
Its unrecoverable so i'm faced with a RMA replacement and a rebuild

Given that im gonna have to rebuild Im wondering is now
the time to jump ship to vista ?

Suggest that you do not.

I have Vista Business 64 bit AMD64bit 2gig memory.

There is so much software which just does not work - I have had to
dual boot my machine to keep many old applications working (eg System
Mechanic, Real Player, Nero to name but three) working.

Aero is interesting : BUT beware it is not part of all Vistas.

The disadvantages outweigh the advantages (if there are any)